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PanzerDragoon
Profile Joined March 2010
United States822 Posts
April 12 2010 23:15 GMT
#681
On April 13 2010 07:48 infinity2k9 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2010 07:40 PanzerDragoon wrote:
Any sport where you can intentionally make small mistakes that aren't very noticeable is very susceptible to fixing. Baseball, basketball, soccer, Starcraft.


Out of those Starcraft is the only actually really easy one to fix because of low player salaries and the fact its 1v1. In the other cases you gotta be more subtle hence referee bribing in the high levels of Soccer, or at the lower levels getting just a few players involved. More people that know means higher chance of getting caught after all.

There have been several high profile point shaving incidents in college basketball at Boston College, Toledo, Arizona State, Northwestern, and it was RAMPANT in the 50s and early 60s. Because you can slow the tempo of the game down, basketball is highly susceptible to this (not throwing the game, but just not covering the spread)
infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
April 12 2010 23:15 GMT
#682
On April 13 2010 08:11 CharlieMurphy wrote:
So has anyone brought up the MSL final event happening? When the power went out? Could that have been on purpose by a betting party in order to get Flash to lose?


Uh if anything it would be the other way? If you see Flash in this position in the game then try to get the game replayed. I think most people expected a replay anyway. If you got money on Jaedong that seems like a pretty stupid time to try and do it don't you think?
PanzerDragoon
Profile Joined March 2010
United States822 Posts
April 12 2010 23:18 GMT
#683
On April 13 2010 08:11 CharlieMurphy wrote:
So has anyone brought up the MSL final event happening? When the power went out? Could that have been on purpose by a betting party in order to get Flash to lose?

No real gain to fix that game, because odds were probably almost even.
Waffles
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Romania605 Posts
April 12 2010 23:19 GMT
#684
On April 12 2010 16:02 LosingID8 wrote:
what i'm wondering is that kespa was clearly aware of these illegal betting sites and yet did not take action until now?

seems kind of weird...

knowing kespa theyd bet all their stocks against savior before busting them down.
blipster8
Profile Joined January 2009
United States71 Posts
April 12 2010 23:24 GMT
#685
On April 12 2010 16:10 MiniRoman wrote:
Kinda makes you wonder if it's because its a videogame. The bribe money is pretty low and I can't think of any other professional athlete that would purposely throw a fight. I guess boxing/MMA if the money was good, but not for the pennies these SC pros did it for. Shameful actions for a "professional".


Tennis has had similar issues recently, for similar reasons: there's a lot of money involved in the scene and the players aren't getting that much of it. Even the top few in these sports aren't paid *that* much, though in tennis the top 5 or so can get endorsement money instead. (Not sure how sc works.)
catabowl
Profile Joined November 2009
United States815 Posts
April 12 2010 23:25 GMT
#686
Of course, this should cheer everyone up...



+ Show Spoiler +
Until you see Bisu at the end GG... Interesting


Jung! Myung! Hoooooooooooooooooon! #TeamPolt
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
April 12 2010 23:29 GMT
#687
On April 13 2010 08:14 Crucifix wrote:
BoxeR vs AnyTime, that match was rigged fo sho.


Blasphemy!
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
April 12 2010 23:30 GMT
#688
On April 13 2010 07:52 Squeegy wrote:. At least (afaik) Stork wasn't showing off.

His dinosaur suit is made out of real dinosaur.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
OhThatDang
Profile Joined August 2004
United States4685 Posts
April 12 2010 23:32 GMT
#689
On April 13 2010 08:15 infinity2k9 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2010 08:11 CharlieMurphy wrote:
So has anyone brought up the MSL final event happening? When the power went out? Could that have been on purpose by a betting party in order to get Flash to lose?


Uh if anything it would be the other way? If you see Flash in this position in the game then try to get the game replayed. I think most people expected a replay anyway. If you got money on Jaedong that seems like a pretty stupid time to try and do it don't you think?



maybe it didnt have to do with that but, imagine if the judges and refs were in on the bet and was awaiting flash losing. Maybe thats why their decision was so easy and simple to not re game and let that vod speak for itself hehehe =p
troi oi thang map nai!!!
infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-12 23:36:40
April 12 2010 23:36 GMT
#690
That still doesn't make any sense. If they thought Jaedong had advantage then they could just let the game finish and save the power outrage for a game where Flash is actually winning then say regame. This is irrelevant anyway and people should stop bringing these pointless hypotheticals
fams
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada731 Posts
April 12 2010 23:37 GMT
#691
What a nightmare, there better be extremely strict punishments now. I cant imagine how team leagues and everything else for that matter, might have panned out had these retards not cheated like little cowards.

I hope this gets taken care of, also, I think for the fans sake, we should be allowed to know who it was that cheated, I'm so worried that it might be a team I love and cheer for that messed around with this malarky.

I hope this doesn't set esports back...as SC2 seemed to be capable of doing what everyone hoped for, in bringing many scenes together and making esports larger.
http://www.twitter.com/famsytron/
anch
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States5457 Posts
April 12 2010 23:39 GMT
#692
On April 13 2010 08:11 CharlieMurphy wrote:
So has anyone brought up the MSL final event happening? When the power went out? Could that have been on purpose by a betting party in order to get Flash to lose?

payout rate game 3
Flash 1: 1.xx
JD 1: 1.xx
Power Outage 1:10

pre-game betting discussion:
man, what are the chances of power outage?
BloodDrunK
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bangladesh2767 Posts
April 12 2010 23:40 GMT
#693
i just hope this dosen't have an adverse effect on the future SC2 pro scene.
otherwise this is the moment when true ESPORTS died.
You have the power to create your own destiny.
29 fps
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States5725 Posts
April 12 2010 23:46 GMT
#694
On April 13 2010 04:52 Housemd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2010 17:58 29 fps wrote:
There's a list of names in the middle of the page. I'll list the ones I know.

Myung Soo (yarnc), Chan Soo (Luxury), Sang Ho (Sangho), Jung Woo (Effort), Yong Hwa (Movie), Jae Yoon (???), Taek Yong (Bisu), Byong Goo (Sotkr), Jae Wook (Best), il Jang (???), Myung Hoon (???), Heui Seung (sp? and dunno who), Jae Dong (Jaedong), Sang Moon (Leta), Jong Seo (???), Chang Hee (gogo??)

that's just a list in the middle. i only know the names, so i don't know if that's the list of suspects or what not.



Which article is this list from?? I've been trying all of them and i can't find it.



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
On April 12 2010 15:53 gaggar wrote:

There is no solid list yet, but the (in)famous DC starcraft gallery is being flooded with what is apparently a post by an insider who spammed the forum before any of this came to light.

http://gall.dcinside.com/list.php?id=starcraft&no=4845648&page=1&bbs=

The list is in Korean but it's not for the feint hearted.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Here's the link again. Unfortunately, it doesnt work anymore.

I think it's a list of people under investigation and not an actual list of suspects (they haven't been found guilty yet).

4v4 is a battle of who has the better computer.
Housemd
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1407 Posts
April 12 2010 23:47 GMT
#695
I think by now ESPORTS would have released the list if it was up to them, however South Korean law prevents that from happening.

Starcraft is going to be hugely affected by this, i wasn't aware of the Warcraft 3 incident since i haven't been following RTS for that long but i believe that something huge could happen that will destroy starcraft.

The main impact that this has on now is Starcraft 2, we have to look at the future, not the past. Think about this: if Starcraft 1 will go down, what will happen to Starcraft 2???
Fantasy is a beast
MyCrow
Profile Joined March 2007
Korea (South)248 Posts
April 12 2010 23:53 GMT
#696
On April 13 2010 08:46 29 fps wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2010 04:52 Housemd wrote:
On April 12 2010 17:58 29 fps wrote:
There's a list of names in the middle of the page. I'll list the ones I know.

Myung Soo (yarnc), Chan Soo (Luxury), Sang Ho (Sangho), Jung Woo (Effort), Yong Hwa (Movie), Jae Yoon (???), Taek Yong (Bisu), Byong Goo (Sotkr), Jae Wook (Best), il Jang (???), Myung Hoon (???), Heui Seung (sp? and dunno who), Jae Dong (Jaedong), Sang Moon (Leta), Jong Seo (???), Chang Hee (gogo??)

that's just a list in the middle. i only know the names, so i don't know if that's the list of suspects or what not.



Which article is this list from?? I've been trying all of them and i can't find it.



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
On April 12 2010 15:53 gaggar wrote:

There is no solid list yet, but the (in)famous DC starcraft gallery is being flooded with what is apparently a post by an insider who spammed the forum before any of this came to light.

http://gall.dcinside.com/list.php?id=starcraft&no=4845648&page=1&bbs=

The list is in Korean but it's not for the feint hearted.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Here's the link again. Unfortunately, it doesnt work anymore.

I think it's a list of people under investigation and not an actual list of suspects (they haven't been found guilty yet).


I saved what the guy in that link posted, want me to post it? It was an image with text on it, so I just saved it.
EleanorRIgby
Profile Joined March 2008
Canada3923 Posts
April 12 2010 23:53 GMT
#697
another big blow to the bw scene, sc2 must prevail!
savior did nothing wrong
BloodDrunK
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bangladesh2767 Posts
April 12 2010 23:55 GMT
#698
On April 13 2010 08:46 29 fps wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2010 04:52 Housemd wrote:
On April 12 2010 17:58 29 fps wrote:
There's a list of names in the middle of the page. I'll list the ones I know.

Myung Soo (yarnc), Chan Soo (Luxury), Sang Ho (Sangho), Jung Woo (Effort), Yong Hwa (Movie), Jae Yoon (???), Taek Yong (Bisu), Byong Goo (Sotkr), Jae Wook (Best), il Jang (???), Myung Hoon (???), Heui Seung (sp? and dunno who), Jae Dong (Jaedong), Sang Moon (Leta), Jong Seo (???), Chang Hee (gogo??)

that's just a list in the middle. i only know the names, so i don't know if that's the list of suspects or what not.



Which article is this list from?? I've been trying all of them and i can't find it.



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
On April 12 2010 15:53 gaggar wrote:

There is no solid list yet, but the (in)famous DC starcraft gallery is being flooded with what is apparently a post by an insider who spammed the forum before any of this came to light.

http://gall.dcinside.com/list.php?id=starcraft&no=4845648&page=1&bbs=

The list is in Korean but it's not for the feint hearted.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Here's the link again. Unfortunately, it doesnt work anymore.

I think it's a list of people under investigation and not an actual list of suspects (they haven't been found guilty yet).


the list of names explain so much.it's no wonder a bonjwa like Savior suddenly started playing horribly and Upmagic always seems to lose even though his plays are extremely solid.
but i still don't understand why Justin and Gogo were involved?they've always been average players.maybe they did it cuz not a lot of people would suspect them since they weren't really A class players.
You have the power to create your own destiny.
BloodDrunK
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bangladesh2767 Posts
April 12 2010 23:59 GMT
#699
On April 13 2010 08:53 MyCrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2010 08:46 29 fps wrote:
On April 13 2010 04:52 Housemd wrote:
On April 12 2010 17:58 29 fps wrote:
There's a list of names in the middle of the page. I'll list the ones I know.

Myung Soo (yarnc), Chan Soo (Luxury), Sang Ho (Sangho), Jung Woo (Effort), Yong Hwa (Movie), Jae Yoon (???), Taek Yong (Bisu), Byong Goo (Sotkr), Jae Wook (Best), il Jang (???), Myung Hoon (???), Heui Seung (sp? and dunno who), Jae Dong (Jaedong), Sang Moon (Leta), Jong Seo (???), Chang Hee (gogo??)

that's just a list in the middle. i only know the names, so i don't know if that's the list of suspects or what not.



Which article is this list from?? I've been trying all of them and i can't find it.



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
On April 12 2010 15:53 gaggar wrote:

There is no solid list yet, but the (in)famous DC starcraft gallery is being flooded with what is apparently a post by an insider who spammed the forum before any of this came to light.

http://gall.dcinside.com/list.php?id=starcraft&no=4845648&page=1&bbs=

The list is in Korean but it's not for the feint hearted.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Here's the link again. Unfortunately, it doesnt work anymore.

I think it's a list of people under investigation and not an actual list of suspects (they haven't been found guilty yet).


I saved what the guy in that link posted, want me to post it? It was an image with text on it, so I just saved it.

if it's readable then you should post it asap.but if it's in korean then someone has to translate it for us losers who don't understand korean.
You have the power to create your own destiny.
LuCky.
Profile Joined March 2010
Zimbabwe91 Posts
April 13 2010 00:01 GMT
#700
NO WONDER BISU WAS SUCKING!
"Forgive your enemies, but never forget their names." - JFK
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