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jeddus
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
United States832 Posts
April 12 2010 20:18 GMT
#581
On April 13 2010 05:12 TheElitists wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2010 05:08 triangle wrote:
If that list is true, we're going to see a Hyun/Skyhigh OSL finals or something.

Seriously, that's a shocking amount of top level players.

if that list is true Flash will never lose a tournament again forever


And maybe Nal_ra qualifies for a starleague!
sex appeal
Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
April 12 2010 20:20 GMT
#582
On April 13 2010 00:21 KinosJourney2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2010 22:03 lolaloc wrote:
On April 12 2010 21:57 SuperArc wrote:
On April 12 2010 21:56 F.A.O.D. wrote:
On April 12 2010 21:50 Antisocialmunky wrote:
You know they should hold a special tournament for all everyone eventually convicted in a prison. I'd watch, there are some pretty good players in there.


lmao yeah

and the winner should get reduced jail time


or a single cell.

Imagine the epic games we would get.

Okay punks, here's the rules. Champion doesn't get behind bars. All matches will be Bo3 until finals which will be a grueling Bo9. Who's up for this challenge?


Even though im really sad about the news the replies keeps making me laugh.
I really hope Starcraft won't end up like Warcraft 3 after that map rigging incident


Could anyone provide a lot more detail about the WC3 incident?
AmstAff
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Germany949 Posts
April 12 2010 20:20 GMT
#583
On April 13 2010 05:18 jeddus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2010 05:12 TheElitists wrote:
On April 13 2010 05:08 triangle wrote:
If that list is true, we're going to see a Hyun/Skyhigh OSL finals or something.

Seriously, that's a shocking amount of top level players.

if that list is true Flash will never lose a tournament again forever


And maybe Nal_ra qualifies for a starleague!


whats with nada?
after 2 years i reached it = marine icon
ICCup.Tesla
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States841 Posts
April 12 2010 20:21 GMT
#584
On April 13 2010 05:20 Zzoram wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2010 00:21 KinosJourney2 wrote:
On April 12 2010 22:03 lolaloc wrote:
On April 12 2010 21:57 SuperArc wrote:
On April 12 2010 21:56 F.A.O.D. wrote:
On April 12 2010 21:50 Antisocialmunky wrote:
You know they should hold a special tournament for all everyone eventually convicted in a prison. I'd watch, there are some pretty good players in there.


lmao yeah

and the winner should get reduced jail time


or a single cell.

Imagine the epic games we would get.

Okay punks, here's the rules. Champion doesn't get behind bars. All matches will be Bo3 until finals which will be a grueling Bo9. Who's up for this challenge?


Even though im really sad about the news the replies keeps making me laugh.
I really hope Starcraft won't end up like Warcraft 3 after that map rigging incident


Could anyone provide a lot more detail about the WC3 incident?



Say what? What happened? o.o
@DjTesla ~ CEO of GoSc, GoLoL, GoD3 & GoSmite ~ @The_GoSc ~ @TheGoLoL ~ The greatest glory of man, is not in never falling, but in rising after each time he has fallen.
zee
Profile Joined January 2010
201 Posts
April 12 2010 20:22 GMT
#585
On April 13 2010 05:21 ICCup.Tesla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2010 05:20 Zzoram wrote:
On April 13 2010 00:21 KinosJourney2 wrote:
On April 12 2010 22:03 lolaloc wrote:
On April 12 2010 21:57 SuperArc wrote:
On April 12 2010 21:56 F.A.O.D. wrote:
On April 12 2010 21:50 Antisocialmunky wrote:
You know they should hold a special tournament for all everyone eventually convicted in a prison. I'd watch, there are some pretty good players in there.


lmao yeah

and the winner should get reduced jail time


or a single cell.

Imagine the epic games we would get.

Okay punks, here's the rules. Champion doesn't get behind bars. All matches will be Bo3 until finals which will be a grueling Bo9. Who's up for this challenge?


Even though im really sad about the news the replies keeps making me laugh.
I really hope Starcraft won't end up like Warcraft 3 after that map rigging incident


Could anyone provide a lot more detail about the WC3 incident?



Say what? What happened? o.o
http://www.sk-gaming.com/content/9111-MBC_Map_Scandal_Update
Floydian
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United Kingdom374 Posts
April 12 2010 20:22 GMT
#586
On April 13 2010 05:20 Zzoram wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2010 00:21 KinosJourney2 wrote:
On April 12 2010 22:03 lolaloc wrote:
On April 12 2010 21:57 SuperArc wrote:
On April 12 2010 21:56 F.A.O.D. wrote:
On April 12 2010 21:50 Antisocialmunky wrote:
You know they should hold a special tournament for all everyone eventually convicted in a prison. I'd watch, there are some pretty good players in there.


lmao yeah

and the winner should get reduced jail time


or a single cell.

Imagine the epic games we would get.

Okay punks, here's the rules. Champion doesn't get behind bars. All matches will be Bo3 until finals which will be a grueling Bo9. Who's up for this challenge?


Even though im really sad about the news the replies keeps making me laugh.
I really hope Starcraft won't end up like Warcraft 3 after that map rigging incident


Could anyone provide a lot more detail about the WC3 incident?


dsjfhsdf
It's been explained like 20 times in this thread -_-
JodoYodo
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada1772 Posts
April 12 2010 20:22 GMT
#587
On April 13 2010 05:20 Zzoram wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2010 00:21 KinosJourney2 wrote:
On April 12 2010 22:03 lolaloc wrote:
On April 12 2010 21:57 SuperArc wrote:
On April 12 2010 21:56 F.A.O.D. wrote:
On April 12 2010 21:50 Antisocialmunky wrote:
You know they should hold a special tournament for all everyone eventually convicted in a prison. I'd watch, there are some pretty good players in there.


lmao yeah

and the winner should get reduced jail time


or a single cell.

Imagine the epic games we would get.

Okay punks, here's the rules. Champion doesn't get behind bars. All matches will be Bo3 until finals which will be a grueling Bo9. Who's up for this challenge?


Even though im really sad about the news the replies keeps making me laugh.
I really hope Starcraft won't end up like Warcraft 3 after that map rigging incident


Could anyone provide a lot more detail about the WC3 incident?

Tournament programmer rigged the maps to favour a certain race by having other races deal less damage.
Dance dance dance 'till we run this town!
Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
April 12 2010 20:24 GMT
#588
On April 13 2010 05:22 JodoYodo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2010 05:20 Zzoram wrote:
On April 13 2010 00:21 KinosJourney2 wrote:
On April 12 2010 22:03 lolaloc wrote:
On April 12 2010 21:57 SuperArc wrote:
On April 12 2010 21:56 F.A.O.D. wrote:
On April 12 2010 21:50 Antisocialmunky wrote:
You know they should hold a special tournament for all everyone eventually convicted in a prison. I'd watch, there are some pretty good players in there.


lmao yeah

and the winner should get reduced jail time


or a single cell.

Imagine the epic games we would get.

Okay punks, here's the rules. Champion doesn't get behind bars. All matches will be Bo3 until finals which will be a grueling Bo9. Who's up for this challenge?


Even though im really sad about the news the replies keeps making me laugh.
I really hope Starcraft won't end up like Warcraft 3 after that map rigging incident


Could anyone provide a lot more detail about the WC3 incident?

Tournament programmer rigged the maps to favour a certain race by having other races deal less damage.


What was the fallout of such an event? I know WC3 was never that popular to begin with in Korea, so did it actually hurt it much?
TheMango
Profile Joined April 2007
United States1967 Posts
April 12 2010 20:26 GMT
#589
On April 13 2010 05:22 JodoYodo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2010 05:20 Zzoram wrote:
On April 13 2010 00:21 KinosJourney2 wrote:
On April 12 2010 22:03 lolaloc wrote:
On April 12 2010 21:57 SuperArc wrote:
On April 12 2010 21:56 F.A.O.D. wrote:
On April 12 2010 21:50 Antisocialmunky wrote:
You know they should hold a special tournament for all everyone eventually convicted in a prison. I'd watch, there are some pretty good players in there.


lmao yeah

and the winner should get reduced jail time


or a single cell.

Imagine the epic games we would get.

Okay punks, here's the rules. Champion doesn't get behind bars. All matches will be Bo3 until finals which will be a grueling Bo9. Who's up for this challenge?


Even though im really sad about the news the replies keeps making me laugh.
I really hope Starcraft won't end up like Warcraft 3 after that map rigging incident


Could anyone provide a lot more detail about the WC3 incident?

Tournament programmer rigged the maps to favour a certain race by having other races deal less damage.


From what I remember, it was something a little more subtle than that. I think they adjusted orc unit/building build times and possibly nerfed NE in someway. I think that was when NE/Moon was dominating.
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PanzerDragoon
Profile Joined March 2010
United States822 Posts
April 12 2010 20:26 GMT
#590
On April 13 2010 05:05 XsebT wrote:
You know a game is big when this stuff happens. I see it as a good thing. :D

But let me just clearify. Matchriggers are retarded buttholes who should give me all their prizemoney ever won.
And no, Stork is not a matchriggerrigger, he is too handsome.

How can you be this naive?

The entire integrity of the games best players in question. Every upset, every shocking moment, you no longer know if its even legit, or if the guy was just paid a couple grand to throw the match.


No good can come of this. This is so much worse than the maprigging scandal.
Neak
Profile Joined March 2009
United Kingdom124 Posts
April 12 2010 20:28 GMT
#591
No mention of boxer, nal_ra, yellow or other oldtimers. how interesting is that...
Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
April 12 2010 20:28 GMT
#592
On April 13 2010 00:57 Azarkon wrote:
Well, this certainly made me a lot less interested in Korean SC. I guess it's foreigner SC/SC2 for me, now, though I have no doubt it'll be tainted at some point in the future as well. It does create an interesting dilemma for e-sports in general, where tourney money is low enough that players can be easily tempted into illegal gambling, where the profit margin is potentially so much higher.


Foreigner scene has been tainted by maphackers winning cash prizes on Internet events, since people can't afford to fly to 1 location to play under supervision.
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
April 12 2010 20:28 GMT
#593
On April 13 2010 05:28 Neak wrote:
No mention of boxer, nal_ra, yellow or other oldtimers. how interesting is that...


some former progamers are also under investigation accoring to fomos so we don't know
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
ICCup.Tesla
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States841 Posts
April 12 2010 20:31 GMT
#594
On April 13 2010 05:28 Zzoram wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2010 00:57 Azarkon wrote:
Well, this certainly made me a lot less interested in Korean SC. I guess it's foreigner SC/SC2 for me, now, though I have no doubt it'll be tainted at some point in the future as well. It does create an interesting dilemma for e-sports in general, where tourney money is low enough that players can be easily tempted into illegal gambling, where the profit margin is potentially so much higher.


Foreigner scene has been tainted by maphackers winning cash prizes on Internet events, since people can't afford to fly to 1 location to play under supervision.


Eh...this doesnt matter if they are supervised...Didn't you read the others were involved, not just gamers? So this included coaches and so forth..which means even if they were in one spot it could still be tainted.
@DjTesla ~ CEO of GoSc, GoLoL, GoD3 & GoSmite ~ @The_GoSc ~ @TheGoLoL ~ The greatest glory of man, is not in never falling, but in rising after each time he has fallen.
Tristan
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada566 Posts
April 12 2010 20:31 GMT
#595
imagine if this had come out like a few years ago when there was no SC2 life raft to cling on to.
http://Zangano431.tumblr.com/
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11567 Posts
April 12 2010 20:31 GMT
#596
FUCK NO

SAVIOR HOW COULD YOU -_-
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
TheMango
Profile Joined April 2007
United States1967 Posts
April 12 2010 20:31 GMT
#597
When they mention ex-progamers and ex-commentators, Garimto comes to mind. I hope it's not him.
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PanzerDragoon
Profile Joined March 2010
United States822 Posts
April 12 2010 20:32 GMT
#598
On April 13 2010 05:24 Zzoram wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2010 05:22 JodoYodo wrote:
On April 13 2010 05:20 Zzoram wrote:
On April 13 2010 00:21 KinosJourney2 wrote:
On April 12 2010 22:03 lolaloc wrote:
On April 12 2010 21:57 SuperArc wrote:
On April 12 2010 21:56 F.A.O.D. wrote:
On April 12 2010 21:50 Antisocialmunky wrote:
You know they should hold a special tournament for all everyone eventually convicted in a prison. I'd watch, there are some pretty good players in there.


lmao yeah

and the winner should get reduced jail time


or a single cell.

Imagine the epic games we would get.

Okay punks, here's the rules. Champion doesn't get behind bars. All matches will be Bo3 until finals which will be a grueling Bo9. Who's up for this challenge?


Even though im really sad about the news the replies keeps making me laugh.
I really hope Starcraft won't end up like Warcraft 3 after that map rigging incident


Could anyone provide a lot more detail about the WC3 incident?

Tournament programmer rigged the maps to favour a certain race by having other races deal less damage.


What was the fallout of such an event? I know WC3 was never that popular to begin with in Korea, so did it actually hurt it much?

It was actually the most successful competitive RTS since BW, and was growing in popularity. The mapfixing scandal made it a joke and it just died.

Top players throwing matches due to bribes from illegal gambling sites is about 100 times worse than minor maprigging. Especially since Kespa knew about it since they had a meeting with the gambling sites, and tried to do an underhanded deal to make it go away.

Sort of wondering how legit Bisu's break was, or Jaedong being "sick" with enteritis.Especially since savior had a similar excuse (knee injury?) and I think its pretty clear at this point that was a total bullshit coverup.

How deep does this go, player wise, and what is Kespa's involvement?

Black day for Starcraft =[
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
April 12 2010 20:33 GMT
#599
On April 13 2010 04:37 ICCup.Tesla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2010 04:32 zulu_nation8 wrote:
They mind as well make all the leaked replays public



True..but if they do that, it will show who is the accused. If I think I understand this situation at all, they want to hide the names and players as best as possible and allow them to save face. This is an Asian belief... If you dishonor them, it will be very bad...and sometimes...saving their face is worse than to dishonor them...I maybe wording this wrong I ask for forgiveness if that is the case, however...They will try to keep it was quite as possible. I am sure of this much.

@ De4ngus & Carefree Me: Thanks guys ^^.


what are you talking about
PanzerDragoon
Profile Joined March 2010
United States822 Posts
April 12 2010 20:35 GMT
#600
On April 13 2010 05:31 ICCup.Tesla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2010 05:28 Zzoram wrote:
On April 13 2010 00:57 Azarkon wrote:
Well, this certainly made me a lot less interested in Korean SC. I guess it's foreigner SC/SC2 for me, now, though I have no doubt it'll be tainted at some point in the future as well. It does create an interesting dilemma for e-sports in general, where tourney money is low enough that players can be easily tempted into illegal gambling, where the profit margin is potentially so much higher.


Foreigner scene has been tainted by maphackers winning cash prizes on Internet events, since people can't afford to fly to 1 location to play under supervision.


Eh...this doesnt matter if they are supervised...Didn't you read the others were involved, not just gamers? So this included coaches and so forth..which means even if they were in one spot it could still be tainted.

This is much more high-level stuff than maphacking; I mean there is probably Korean mob ties to this, as organized crime almost always has a hand in illegal gambling and sports fixing.

The biggest problem is that Kespa's contract rules and handling of free agency have made it so that taking these bribes sounds a hell of a lot more appealing to overworked or underpaid players.
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