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Heaven.ReV
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Norway86 Posts
March 17 2010 14:07 GMT
#1
http://www.iccup.com/starcraft/forum/teams_forum/clan_league/95804.html?1268814496

w00tw00t, off they go! Repent, the end is coming!
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
March 17 2010 14:12 GMT
#2
NOoOOOOoooooooo damn u sc2 beta T_T
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da_head
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada3350 Posts
March 17 2010 14:24 GMT
#3
eh. it's time to move on i suppose. let's just hope sc2 can be almost as great as bw was.
When they see MC Probe, all the ladies disrobe.
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13076 Posts
March 17 2010 14:28 GMT
#4
Great news lol !! Now the weaker and more motivated teams can rise up and play

Anyways Mondragon said he will disband ToT) when sc2 comes out like a year ago or smth. So its not really a surprize
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
March 17 2010 14:47 GMT
#5
the end is indeed coming T_T
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
RiZn
Profile Joined March 2009
United States22 Posts
March 17 2010 14:56 GMT
#6
I dont understand why people are resigning from the Iccup CL? Just because a new game comes out doesnt mean it's time to just resign from the old game. Is it just me? Or does this not make any sense? I understand, "quit playing a dead game." But what makes this game dead is the people that dont play it causing it to die.

To be honest, it's kind of dumb. (I'm not trying to stir anything or insult anyone.)
Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
March 17 2010 14:56 GMT
#7
Koreans will keep us occupied. Hope they delay it some more and stay in beta testing phase.
"If I had to take a drug in order to be free, I'm screwed. Freedom exists in the mind, otherwise it doesn't exist."
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
March 17 2010 14:57 GMT
#8
R.I.P. Brood War foreign scene
ZpuX
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Sweden1230 Posts
March 17 2010 15:06 GMT
#9
On March 17 2010 23:56 RiZn wrote:
I dont understand why people are resigning from the Iccup CL? Just because a new game comes out doesnt mean it's time to just resign from the old game. Is it just me? Or does this not make any sense? I understand, "quit playing a dead game." But what makes this game dead is the people that dont play it causing it to die.

To be honest, it's kind of dumb. (I'm not trying to stir anything or insult anyone.)

Well it's not that we dont want to play. We do, but not in our current shape. ToT was all about winning and having fun, but we dont want to be a semi-good team. Being the best means you have to practice like the best, which requires time, not something everyone got laying around these days
Really, play for fun!
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
March 17 2010 15:07 GMT
#10
On March 17 2010 23:56 RiZn wrote:
I dont understand why people are resigning from the Iccup CL? Just because a new game comes out doesnt mean it's time to just resign from the old game. Is it just me? Or does this not make any sense? I understand, "quit playing a dead game." But what makes this game dead is the people that dont play it causing it to die.

To be honest, it's kind of dumb. (I'm not trying to stir anything or insult anyone.)

ToT members will be more interested in practicing sc2. What's the point of logging on once a week for cl?
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GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
March 17 2010 15:11 GMT
#11
This sucks, a bunch of undeserving teams are gonna be considered good by a new standard, mouz. and mTw are pretty much all thats left from the old school teams, if you can even consider mTw old school in sc.
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
barth
Profile Joined March 2008
Ireland1272 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-17 15:19:22
March 17 2010 15:17 GMT
#12
It is sad but it would have eventually happened anyway so I guess it`s better for the players that it happened relatively earlier.

Foreign Broodwar scene "finally" dying out makes me really sad . Let`s hope SC2 will be a worthy successor.

I remember Mondragon saying a pretty long time ago (2008?) that ToT will be abandoned after SC2 comes out. I think it would be incredibly sweet if they transitioned into SC2. Were there any news on that?
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Mr.Pyro
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Denmark959 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-17 15:18:38
March 17 2010 15:18 GMT
#13
There are A LOT of mouz people on SC2 beta...


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(And many aint good)+ Show Spoiler +
No bias, i've just played many mouz players who are rather clueless
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Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
March 17 2010 15:57 GMT
#14
On March 17 2010 23:56 RiZn wrote:
I dont understand why people are resigning from the Iccup CL? Just because a new game comes out doesnt mean it's time to just resign from the old game. Is it just me? Or does this not make any sense? I understand, "quit playing a dead game." But what makes this game dead is the people that dont play it causing it to die.

To be honest, it's kind of dumb. (I'm not trying to stir anything or insult anyone.)

If you put it that way, yes - this is dumb.
But if you try to understand them and why they switched - not necessarily.
If someone enjoys SC2 so much and SC1 is not that fun anymore - why play SC1?
Force yourself to go play SC1 again just because some random person doesn't want SC1 to die even though it lacks excitement to you?
ZpuX
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Sweden1230 Posts
March 17 2010 15:57 GMT
#15
On March 18 2010 00:18 MaD.pYrO wrote:
There are A LOT of mouz people on SC2 beta...


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(And many aint good)+ Show Spoiler +
No bias, i've just played many mouz players who are rather clueless

This post makes no sense, I mean this thread is about Brood War, not sc2 beta. In BW the whole mouz lineup was the very very top non korean players. Also, you judge people based on so little information. Get #1 in a plat division and people might take you more serious, but as of right now when your stating your beating people left and right is quite ridiculous.
Really, play for fun!
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10035 Posts
March 17 2010 16:08 GMT
#16
On March 18 2010 00:18 MaD.pYrO wrote:
There are A LOT of mouz people on SC2 beta...


+ Show Spoiler +
(And many aint good)+ Show Spoiler +
No bias, i've just played many mouz players who are rather clueless


you must be a prodigy
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vOddy
Profile Joined July 2009
Sweden402 Posts
March 17 2010 16:13 GMT
#17
StarCraft II will kill foreign StarCraft. That's a sad fact. However, as long as people are interested in Brood war in Korea (which they probably will still be for a while) the progamers who are good at Brood War will not switch over.
"You generate awesomeness. It just flows from you."
ivirj
Profile Joined January 2010
Mexico79 Posts
March 17 2010 17:08 GMT
#18
Starcraft Bw was already dead except by some few non korean people around the globe, you guys should be happy that Sc2 is going to bring more tournaments, players, etc.

La violencia es el ultimo recurso del incompetente - Asimov
tonight
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States11130 Posts
March 17 2010 18:11 GMT
#19
I'm not even actively involved with playing BW anymore, but I still think this really sucks. Light dying out and now ToT. Very sad for the community as a whole.
if I come without a thing, then I come with all I need @tonightsend
JohannesH
Profile Joined September 2009
Finland1364 Posts
March 17 2010 18:15 GMT
#20
On March 18 2010 02:08 ivirj wrote:
Starcraft Bw was already dead except by some few non korean people around the globe, you guys should be happy that Sc2 is going to bring more tournaments, players, etc.


How was it dead when there just was a tourney with 10k dollar price? And tons of people playing. Yes SC2 will be bigger, at first at least, but that doesnt mean sc1 was dead by any measure.
If you have to ask, you don't know.
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
March 17 2010 18:19 GMT
#21
On March 18 2010 02:08 ivirj wrote:
Starcraft Bw was already dead except by some few non korean people around the globe, you guys should be happy that Sc2 is going to bring more tournaments, players, etc.



Haha what? You obviously don't know how many that played SCBW, I even heard some random people talking about their SCBW clanwar on the bus which I had never seen or heard about (and I know pretty most of the swedish scbw scene)
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
EcterA
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States949 Posts
March 17 2010 18:21 GMT
#22
On March 18 2010 02:08 ivirj wrote:
Starcraft Bw was already dead except by some few non korean people around the globe, you guys should be happy that Sc2 is going to bring more tournaments, players, etc.


I don't agree with this at all. At the end of February TL concluded one of the largest BW foreigner tournaments ever. It spanned four months from the ladder stage (which was open to anyone who wanted to play) to the final match. An amazing team of dedicated administrators, designers, programmers and casters made the tournament matches available to anyone who wanted to watch, and for a solid month we watched incredible BW games every weekend.

I don't understand how you can be here, posting on this forum, which is a representation of the BW community, and think it is dead. It blows my mind.

Not to mention the ICCup server, which hosts a ladder that resets every three months and is in its twelfth season.

Then there's Liquipedia, the premiere strategy database for SC:BW, that has already given birth to Liquipedia II, which is building itself piece by piece as Blizzard builds SC2.

These things speak of a living community, not a dead one.
Coulthard
Profile Joined September 2005
Greece3359 Posts
March 17 2010 18:25 GMT
#23
He is a troll lol
iG.Zeep
Profile Joined May 2008
Mexico253 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-17 18:55:34
March 17 2010 18:42 GMT
#24
On March 18 2010 00:11 GreEny K wrote:
This sucks, a bunch of undeserving teams are gonna be considered good by a new standard, mouz. and mTw are pretty much all thats left from the old school teams, if you can even consider mTw old school in sc.


iG. you lamo =P lol
RotS/LG)/LRM)/iFU/fOsc/GeT/NrT/ZZZ are some still around that are old skool i guess

ToT gonna leave wgt-cl also when the site comes back up? they got WO loss vs LG) last sunday >.<
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LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
March 17 2010 18:59 GMT
#25
wow it's a sad day indeed. ToT = sc:bw for sooo long and soo many amazingly talented players...
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
March 17 2010 19:06 GMT
#26
WOW, this is one big thing. ToT is indeed the most memorable SC:BW clan. Still a very understandable move, as SC2 will be much bigger in the foreign scene than any other RTS ever was.
538
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Hungary3932 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-17 19:09:01
March 17 2010 19:07 GMT
#27
So far I was just uninterested in the SC2 beta, but I'm slowly starting to dislike its effects
BW fighting!
ZZangDreamjOy
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada959 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-17 19:10:42
March 17 2010 19:10 GMT
#28
On March 18 2010 03:42 iG.Zeep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2010 00:11 GreEny K wrote:
This sucks, a bunch of undeserving teams are gonna be considered good by a new standard, mouz. and mTw are pretty much all thats left from the old school teams, if you can even consider mTw old school in sc.


iG. you lamo =P lol
RotS/LG)/LRM)/iFU/fOsc/GeT/NrT/ZZZ are some still around that are old skool i guess

ToT gonna leave wgt-cl also when the site comes back up? they got WO loss vs LG) last sunday >.<

RotS, LG), LRM), and NrT have all been around much longer then mouz. If you think their old school, I assume your somewhat new to the game. lol
HitEmUp
iG.Zeep
Profile Joined May 2008
Mexico253 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-17 19:33:50
March 17 2010 19:28 GMT
#29
On March 18 2010 04:10 ZZangDreamjOy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2010 03:42 iG.Zeep wrote:
On March 18 2010 00:11 GreEny K wrote:
This sucks, a bunch of undeserving teams are gonna be considered good by a new standard, mouz. and mTw are pretty much all thats left from the old school teams, if you can even consider mTw old school in sc.


iG. you lamo =P lol
RotS/LG)/LRM)/iFU/fOsc/GeT/NrT/ZZZ are some still around that are old skool i guess

ToT gonna leave wgt-cl also when the site comes back up? they got WO loss vs LG) last sunday >.<

RotS, LG), LRM), and NrT have all been around much longer then mouz. If you think their old school, I assume your somewhat new to the game. lol

Do you consider mouz's birth when DkH. joined MYM or when mYm.SC was 1st created?^^

and well nowadays a lot of ppl have diff definitions of old skool. depends if u been playing since pre-bw days or like about 2002/2005 or w/e >.<
like for example some/most ppl consider SEn old skool nowadays lol but to me he's still new skool in my mind which makes me feel pretty old T_T ...it usually feels like im still in 2005 most of the time whenever im thinking about bw and shit rofl
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lIlIlIlIlIlI
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Korea (South)3851 Posts
March 17 2010 19:35 GMT
#30
--- Nuked ---
DreaM)XeRO
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Korea (South)4667 Posts
March 17 2010 19:35 GMT
#31
ToT is synonymous to the foreign BW scene for me.
it's the first "foreign" scene i got to know and admired.

fhack
cw)minsean(ru
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
March 17 2010 19:35 GMT
#32
not a bad idea actually.

We (EG) all play SC2 and currently BLOW at scbw so showing up to the clanwars has been more of a formality..

I completely understand what ToT is doing here. SC2 is the future guys. Every team that wants a piece of that future is going to work at it.. not scbw sadly ;(
CowGoesMoo
Profile Joined January 2010
United States5 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-17 22:12:58
March 17 2010 19:39 GMT
#33
Iduno I think that once people get tired of sc2 they will switch over back to BW. =)


Spoofing
Mooooooooo
Simple
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States801 Posts
March 17 2010 19:44 GMT
#34
lol that was such a short message by mondi

but ah, i suppose this was inevitable.
Go0g3n
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Russian Federation410 Posts
March 17 2010 19:53 GMT
#35
Great news. I remember a while back Mondi was going to disband ToT with Sc2 arrival, guessing he's staying in the business.
Tdelamay
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada548 Posts
March 17 2010 19:53 GMT
#36
Starcraft 2 is good in the Beta, I can only expect it to improve in the next months and years. By then, Broodwar will be a fond memory.
This road isn't leading anywhere...
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
March 17 2010 20:10 GMT
#37
On March 18 2010 04:39 CowGoesMoo wrote:
Iduno I think that once people get tired of sc2 they will switch over back to BW. =)


shouldnt you be banned for that name...
although I'd kinda like it if that happened but it wont cause even if sc2 does turn out to be a disappointment, it'll still be the game where the money will be.


Too bad this is happening but it was unavoidable I guess
beep boop
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
March 17 2010 20:15 GMT
#38
On March 18 2010 03:25 Coulthard wrote:
He is a troll lol

a retardedly good troll.

RIP. ToT
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Achromic
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
773 Posts
March 17 2010 20:25 GMT
#39
SC1 shall never die.


....T_T
Blah
Mystlord *
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10264 Posts
March 17 2010 20:29 GMT
#40
SC2 is like a magnet....

I hope BW doesn't die out.
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love1another
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1844 Posts
March 17 2010 20:41 GMT
#41
This is sort of painful to see since SC2 is still very, very unstable balance-wise. Any strat that's imba today could be completely useless a week from now. It is not yet ready for competitive play and yet people are already ditching one of the only games that actually is.
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D4L[invd]
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada110 Posts
March 17 2010 20:46 GMT
#42
so true but I think everyone's playing sc2 because we all hope we can actually create a game that's better than starcraft:bw but I can only hope that if it fails (as many have) people will turn back to sc:bw instead of getting turned off starcraft forever.
Your average D Protoss that can't get out of D because it is full of Protoss and my PvP sucks.
kiwi
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania26 Posts
March 17 2010 20:49 GMT
#43
i DID HAVE A DREAM TO JOIN ToT) too bad, but I don't know, maybe it's better this way, but a great player such as mondragon to give up his great scbw skills, I think it's such a waste, if I had his skill, i'd be obbsesed to play and go to korea

I don't know why but people with great skill aren't too obsesed with what they are doing
Melior morior bellator, quam ago profugus.
SkepTicAL
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada872 Posts
March 17 2010 20:56 GMT
#44
Glad I got to be a part of the team for a year .

R.I.P ToT), greatest foreign BW team ever
AeriALsLighT @AerialsLight
blahman3344
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2015 Posts
March 17 2010 21:38 GMT
#45
awww....

with this, so leaves quite a few notable foreigners =(
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duckhunt
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada311 Posts
March 17 2010 21:40 GMT
#46
On March 17 2010 23:56 RiZn wrote:
I dont understand why people are resigning from the Iccup CL? Just because a new game comes out doesnt mean it's time to just resign from the old game. Is it just me? Or does this not make any sense? I understand, "quit playing a dead game." But what makes this game dead is the people that dont play it causing it to die.

To be honest, it's kind of dumb. (I'm not trying to stir anything or insult anyone.)


its impossible to be good at bw if you are playing sc2 all day because the hotkeys are different and the macro is a lot different and the unit hotkeys, it totally messes you up and if you are used to sc2 then bw is just annoying lol. Also the thing about sc2 is that everyone sucks right now, all the top foreigners know that its 100% impossible for them to get any better at bw, and even if they do... well whats the point they do not want to move to korea. If u had a beta key you would realize it anyways... sc2 >>>> bw and bw will die the day sc2 is released ^^
Prof. Protoss
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Germany744 Posts
March 17 2010 21:41 GMT
#47
I think people need to calm down. Of course everybody plays SC2 atm. Let's see how things develop. It's not the end of BW as many here claim.
Don't mess the fess!
Foreplay
Profile Joined May 2008
United States1154 Posts
March 17 2010 21:44 GMT
#48
NO! NAOOOOOOOOOOO (breaking large pane of glass)
Better than Pokebunny
PhilGood2DaY
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany7424 Posts
March 17 2010 21:48 GMT
#49
some times u just gotta move on and Im totally serious ..
hatred outlives the hateful
Simsar
Profile Joined November 2009
Sweden27 Posts
March 17 2010 21:53 GMT
#50
On March 18 2010 06:40 duckhunt wrote:
its impossible to be good at bw if you are playing sc2 all day because the hotkeys are different and the macro is a lot different and the unit hotkeys, it totally messes you up and if you are used to sc2 then bw is just annoying lol.


Soo true. I remember a friend that just played the beta, then faced off in a TvP on BW. First he saw a zealot getting through his block and thought "whatever, i will just outmicro it". Then he saw the dragoon walking past the block....
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14910 Posts
March 17 2010 21:54 GMT
#51
rip tot
Nytefish
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United Kingdom4282 Posts
March 17 2010 22:11 GMT
#52
My plan to become the best player in the world is going along smoothly.

Never actually get better, but become the best when everyone else stops playing.
No I'm never serious.
DreaM)XeRO
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Korea (South)4667 Posts
March 17 2010 22:24 GMT
#53
On March 18 2010 07:11 Nytefish wrote:
My plan to become the best player in the world is going along smoothly.

Never actually get better, but become the best when everyone else stops playing.

i mean.. you still have a LOT of koreans
cw)minsean(ru
tre2ettsexsju
Profile Joined May 2008
Sweden248 Posts
March 17 2010 22:25 GMT
#54
aww :< hope to see you do well in sc2 then!
goswser
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3548 Posts
March 17 2010 22:25 GMT
#55
how does everyone in high level clans have a beta key?
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CaffeineFree-_-
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States712 Posts
March 17 2010 23:02 GMT
#56
http://www.iccup.com/starcraft/forum/teams_forum/clan_league/95946.html?1268866266

Even more awful news. Similar to when Gretorp and retired and Light die out.... TT
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ChaseR
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Norway1004 Posts
March 17 2010 23:16 GMT
#57
Well it's time for people to move on...TL will be alive regardless of what happens with SC2 but it's not sad at all, SC1 enjoyed a ridiculously long and rich lifespan with endless memorable moments that most gaming communities never achieved.
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SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13076 Posts
March 17 2010 23:30 GMT
#58
This is crazy sc2 is not even out yet and teams just quit leagues.... at least wait for the game to be realeased geez.

You can have your sc2 im preety happy with bw and will still play it like before this madness.
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
TryThis
Profile Joined February 2007
Canada1522 Posts
March 17 2010 23:31 GMT
#59
the end is nigh

ToTs always been that team that you think...maybe one day, maybe one day... about. Im gunna miss thinking that
Dwell
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
March 17 2010 23:35 GMT
#60
No! ToT is gone? T_T
They've been around since forever... and ever... sadness.
Shana
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Indonesia1814 Posts
March 17 2010 23:58 GMT
#61
mouz resigning too

http://www.gosugamers.net/starcraft/news/11573-templars-of-twilight-leaves-iccup

there's an update on that news post
Believing in what lies ahead. | That which we call a rose, by any other name would smell as sweet.
ShaperofDreams
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada2492 Posts
March 18 2010 00:29 GMT
#62
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The End is Nigh!

A new beginning, I'm so excited!
Bitches don't know about my overlord. FUCK OFF ALDARIS I HAVE ENOUGH PYLONS. My Balls are as smooth as Eggs.
Husky
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3362 Posts
March 18 2010 00:32 GMT
#63
ToT is amazing, but no one should actually be surprised.

SC2 I think is giving a great showing and they are wise to focus their attention to the future of the StarCraft scene.

I honestly think this is a good thing, but maybe it's my perspective
Commentaries: youtube.com/HuskyStarcraft
thopol
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Japan4560 Posts
March 18 2010 00:39 GMT
#64
Fuck, I hate SC2.

GL everyone in the sequel I suppose. I really hope they improve the game though. If everyone leaves for SC2 and it doesn't last or it has even a fraction of the problems it has now, well, it'll be a damn pity.
mevshero
Profile Joined December 2009
911 Posts
March 18 2010 01:07 GMT
#65
this is seriously the worst news for the last years... omfg nooooo :'(
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