Whatever happened to Bisu?

On March 06 2010 16:08 prototype. wrote:
bisu is too busy looking at himself after he dyed his hair blonde

On March 06 2010 16:21 Noxide wrote:
Time for Bisu to go into making youtube vids on how to manage your hair.

On March 06 2010 16:23 TheAntZ wrote:
Bisu record since beginning of 2010

14 wins - 10 losses (58.33%)

Bisu record since May of last year

54 wins - 31 losses (63.53%)

YOU GAIS SLUMP U GAIS OMG

He is doing worse then before, but hes still among the better BW players atm

On March 06 2010 16:26 iamho wrote:


thats not a very good record for someone who only has to play scrubs in proleague and doesnt have to deal with starleague matches against top players. plus you counted prelim games. and no, hes not among the top bw players, he is no better than the average mediocre a-teamer

On March 06 2010 15:52 JohnColtrane wrote:
too many visits to the whorehouse

On March 06 2010 18:09 NguN wrote:

He needs to build his confidence up, because his mechanics are still beastly.

On March 07 2010 06:16 Chairman Ray wrote:
I blame it on his hair

On March 07 2010 06:27 icometowin wrote:
Hey, I thought that Bisu would be unstoppable in his new Super-Saiyan mode :D

On March 07 2010 08:14 plated.rawr wrote:
What was it Rekrul called it again?

Path of night?

On March 07 2010 08:21 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Stork has outlived Bisu - long live the Stork!

On March 07 2010 08:21 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Stork has outlived Bisu - long live the Stork!

On March 07 2010 09:27 Rothbardian wrote:
How is it that someone can dominate pro-sports around the world for 15-20 years (ala, Cal Ripken, Michael Jordan, Dan Marino, etc.), yet, the top players in SC only last for a few years at most.

In the former cases, their sport is far more demanding. The difference is the training and lifestyle regiments. SC players have little to no freedom. Anyone doing the same thing 14-16 hours a day 6-7 days a week for years will get burnt out. It's sort of sad, really. There is literally no need to play that much. If the player wants to, then they'll play on their off-time, much like many pro-players today train year round. However mandating that strict regiment to everyone is debilitating.

I doubt this will change in Korea, hence why I am hopeful that SC II will be picked up in NA and EU and become as major a sport as it is in S.Korea.

Is this what has happened to Bisu? Most likely. Can anyone honestly tell me that it is harder to play SC than it is to play professional Soccer, Football, Baseball, Hockey?

I hope Korea changes the way they treat their players ;/

On March 07 2010 09:27 Rothbardian wrote:
How is it that someone can dominate pro-sports around the world for 15-20 years (ala, Cal Ripken, Michael Jordan, Dan Marino, etc.), yet, the top players in SC only last for a few years at most.

In the former cases, their sport is far more demanding. The difference is the training and lifestyle regiments. SC players have little to no freedom. Anyone doing the same thing 14-16 hours a day 6-7 days a week for years will get burnt out. It's sort of sad, really. There is literally no need to play that much. If the player wants to, then they'll play on their off-time, much like many pro-players today train year round. However mandating that strict regiment to everyone is debilitating.

I doubt this will change in Korea, hence why I am hopeful that SC II will be picked up in NA and EU and become as major a sport as it is in S.Korea.

Is this what has happened to Bisu? Most likely. Can anyone honestly tell me that it is harder to play SC than it is to play professional Soccer, Football, Baseball, Hockey?

I hope Korea changes the way they treat their players ;/

On March 07 2010 09:41 icometowin wrote:
If you watch his recent games, they truly show standard, safe and robotic play, nothing like how Bisu truly played during his peak. PLaying super-safe against go.go was his doom. In game 1, he could have gone for a DT drop, reavers. All of this would have punished the super-greedy build go.go used (was it 1 fact double expand?). He needs to show more ballsy play; harassing in multiple fronts like he did vs Yarnc.

On March 06 2010 15:52 JohnColtrane wrote:
too many visits to the bathhouse

On March 07 2010 09:37 freelander wrote:


I'm pretty sure Bisu was a dominating player because he was one of the hardest working ones

On March 06 2010 17:40 anch wrote:

fixed

KangMin comes back, Bisu is stepping aside.

On March 07 2010 12:12 Newguy wrote:
maybe:

1.) Players and coaches have watched so many of his games that hes easy to predict - obviously his opponents study his playing style before playing him, but just because he is so skilled, he is watched by them not only in preparation for matches, so they know his style more.

2.) If you are playing Bisu, you will prepare more than if you are playing some no-name player.

3.) TvP seems to favor T in a lot of ways - watching Flash play the mu, it looks like small T army > small P army, medium T army > medium P army, large T army > large P army, and PvT cheeses are so hard on many maps, ex. Match Point (flash's cc block), ramp blocks, and maps with four starting locations, which it is impossible to cheese on. Terrans get better and better at stopping arbiters, fighting carriers, and sniping templars, while it is virtually impossible for protoss to improve their use of these units, from the point it is already at. Also, terran players abuse terrain more and more, and it is easier to scout and to cheese for them(due to ramp blocks).

4.) I don't see how professional protoss players can improve their PvT much in practices, there are simply many more things that terran professional players can do to improve, such as mine placement, turret placement, and timing of when units move out, and what unit combos and timings to abuse, but for protoss there are far less of these things to work on - not that there aren't many, but I feel like there is just a lot more for terran to work on.

5.) Protoss strategies are far simpler to counter - for terran, tiny differences in unit numbers and placement can completely change their effectiveness, but for protoss, terran only has to worry about relative timings and relative unit combos, because in late game, for example, four extra tanks and a few less vultures changes the terran armies effectiveness far more than four extra dragoons and a few less zealots.

6.) Scouting is much harder for protoss, observers have to dodge turrets, and when you scout, you have to look for factory timings, and the timing of the upgrades, the units he builds, and when he stalls unit production matters, but terran can scout more easily by scanning, and all you have to worry about when determining how to counter the protoss is what buildings he has, when he gets them, and how many there are.

- To sum all this up, it seems that for protoss to win a game, given everything I have said already, I feel like they must be lucky in some way, or use shuttles, because otherwise terran can win.

On March 08 2010 00:18 KingKRule wrote:
He's probably just sad that he'll never be bonjwa because he picked the hardest race (on pro level)

I mean, think about what he coulda done with zerg or terran...

On March 07 2010 13:06 darktreb wrote:


Are you kidding me? The top P's have been MURDERING the top T's for a long time (and for most of history).

Only Flash is an exception to all rules. TvP is the hardest matchup in the game, secretly even worse than PvZ, only no one cares when Terran is at the disadvantage, and because Flash makes it look easy.

On March 08 2010 00:24 samachking wrote:


Nothing at all. He used to be Terran and he switched to the easy race.

Hey, at least he gets the title of the greatest Protoss of all time.

On March 08 2010 00:28 alffla wrote:


no way tvp is the hardest matchup in teh game mannnn

On March 06 2010 16:26 iamho wrote:


thats not a very good record for someone who only has to play scrubs in proleague and doesnt have to deal with starleague matches against top players. plus you counted prelim games. and no, hes not among the top bw players, he is no better than the average mediocre a-teamer

On March 06 2010 16:08 prototype. wrote:
bisu is too busy looking at himself after he dyed his hair blonde

On March 08 2010 03:26 On_Slaught wrote:
I find it hard to believe the SKT coaches would permit any active player to play sc2 atm.

From what i've seen those coaches run every part of these kids life so it wouldn't be hard to stop them.

On March 09 2010 10:55 Jyvblamo wrote:

According to Artosis, the SKT Coach is himself near the top of a platinum division in the Asian servers.

On March 08 2010 02:44 anch wrote:

can someone check his activity and log on time?

On March 09 2010 13:06 MuffinDude wrote:
slump my friend

On March 09 2010 13:03 LuCky. wrote:
NEWSFLASH:

BISU'S TERRAN WIN RATE HAS DROPPED BELOW 60% FOR THE FIRST TIME IN A COUPLE OF YEARS, HOLY FUCKING SHIT!

On March 07 2010 05:56 icometowin wrote:

hopefully not to high cause we've seen that he gets overconfident vs scrubs and ends up losing to them :/

On March 09 2010 14:51 LuCky. wrote:
if you think this is bad wait till you see the threads on ygosu, daumnet, cycafe, etc.

On March 09 2010 15:08 Nick_54 wrote:
This type of things happen to every toss though. Stork has had his fair share of slumps too and dont get me started on the other dragons. Seriously, he is still 5-3 in his last 8 game getting bounced out of one league early isnt the end of the world, although I do admit it is a major setback.

On March 09 2010 14:54 dukethegold wrote:


So how bad is it? I am curious. Me no Korean, u see.

On March 09 2010 20:05 Chen wrote:
obligatory bump due to the WL happenings. seriously wtf is going on?

On March 09 2010 14:03 ArvickHero wrote:
If Bisu continues on his downward spiral he's gonna end up joining the army pretty soon...

On March 09 2010 20:09 PoP wrote:


Wax just said Bisu was on vacation. (And that it was serious.)

On March 06 2010 16:22 prototype. wrote:

i'd watch it

On March 09 2010 21:03 Kare wrote:
As I have said since the beginning, FlaSh is the only one out of Bisu,Jaedong and that stuff that is playing just as good every time and dominate the scene for a long time. While Bisu and Jaedong looses to randoms(darkelf,gogo etc..) Flash just destroys every single person he comes by and has done for a long time now. He is getting better and better and he is never pleased with his results no matter how good they are!

On March 09 2010 21:53 C[SCL] wrote:


lol. I did not even know he existed last season. He got eliminated too early on individual leagues and the only league he owned was GOM. Flash, for me has just stepped it up at the beginning of the 09-10 Proleague.

On March 09 2010 21:03 Kare wrote:
As I have said since the beginning, FlaSh is the only one out of Bisu,Jaedong and that stuff that is playing just as good every time and dominate the scene for a long time. While Bisu and Jaedong looses to randoms(darkelf,gogo etc..) Flash just destroys every single person he comes by and has done for a long time now. He is getting better and better and he is never pleased with his results no matter how good they are!

On March 09 2010 16:25 Ryo wrote:


They can be pretty mean in the name calling among other things. Probably why Bisu removed the contents from his cyworld some time ago. But given his introverted personality, pressure will just make it worse. SKT needs to bring in a new coach or some other change. Bisu's not the going to suddenly bounce back and defy his critics, he needs a good motivator.

On March 09 2010 20:09 PoP wrote:


Wax just said Bisu was on vacation. (And that it was serious.)

On March 09 2010 23:32 dukethegold wrote:





Oh shit, this sounds serious.

Bisu still got the MSL left. He needs to visit Tailand or something and gather himself.

Maybe pick up a new build while in Tailand too.

On March 09 2010 21:03 Kare wrote:
As I have said since the beginning, FlaSh is the only one out of Bisu,Jaedong and that stuff that is playing just as good every time and dominate the scene for a long time. While Bisu and Jaedong looses to randoms(darkelf,gogo etc..) Flash just destroys every single person he comes by and has done for a long time now. He is getting better and better and he is never pleased with his results no matter how good they are!

On March 06 2010 15:56 tirentu wrote:
He's past his prime. And I love the delicious, delicious tears of Bisu fanboys.

On March 10 2010 05:55 HaXXspetten wrote:


One of the sweetest sights in existance.

On March 10 2010 07:06 blahman3344 wrote:
mehh i wanted my play to be more like bisu's, not bisu's be more like mine ;_;

anyways, i agree with the people saying that SKT protosses have the same PvT build. With predictability like that, they can't ever hope to win in PvT, especially against monsters like flash.

On March 10 2010 07:36 gjg.instinct wrote:
I've never thought Bisu was on par with Jae dong and Flash. Bisu revolutionized one match up against the expiring shelf life of an old legend, but it didn't really make protosses a lot more successful for a very long time past the "surprise" factor. Jae dong and Flash changed the way their respective races were understood, in every MU, and they did it by destroying everyone, starting with anyone else who played their own respective race. Evidence? Who is the best ZvT? The best ZvZ? ZvP? TvP? TvZ? TvT?

On March 10 2010 08:16 Kyo Yuy wrote:

Actually Bisu equalized PvZ, a matchup that used to be considered to be extremely uncomfortable to play especially during Savior's reign of dominance.

Considering that one base PvZ builds are considered the exception, rather than a possible choice at this time, I would say that Bisu really did change the way Protoss was played against Zerg.

Being the best at the matchup doesn't mean you revolutionized it. Xellos was once considered the best in all 3 matchups but really the only matchup he really changed was TvT.

PvZ, a matchup that used to be considered to be extremely uncomfortable to play... Considering that one base PvZ builds are considered the exception

Being the best at the matchup doesn't mean you revolutionized it.

On March 11 2010 01:18 gjg.instinct wrote:


I guess you don't understand the reference because you don't know what KTY's nickname is. (the Revolutionist). In this light, I think the description I gave of his influence on PvZ is more accurate than yours.

Your post suggest a contradiction, but nothing you wrote disagrees with what I said; although there does seem to be some confusion in your own words.





Yea I guess not. I was going by the nickname he was crowned with by every single Korean / foreigner / pro gamer. Maybe you should take up your dispute with everyone who has ever followed pro gaming.

Actually Bisu equalized PvZ...

Being the best at the matchup doesn't mean you revolutionized it.

I would say revolutionizing PvZ is quite a success in itself....he DID make Protosses a lot more successful

Your argument seems to be the contradiction, claiming that completely changing the way a matchup is played "didn't really make protosses a lot more successful."

Being the best at the matchup doesn't mean you revolutionized it.

On March 13 2010 00:18 dukethegold wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
I hope this will help out Bisu somehow.