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Dealing with 3 fact vuls TvT

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Aukai
Profile Joined April 2003
United States1183 Posts
February 23 2004 04:11 GMT
#1
Cliffless maps, or less-cliffed maps. Make more vuls than him?
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Remmus(Cfr
Profile Joined November 2003
Russian Federation207 Posts
February 23 2004 04:18 GMT
#2
Switch to protoss =))
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Aukai
Profile Joined April 2003
United States1183 Posts
February 23 2004 04:23 GMT
#3
Tried.
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aReLaZ-y
Profile Joined January 2004
141 Posts
February 23 2004 04:24 GMT
#4
Wall.
IcedEarth
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States3661 Posts
February 23 2004 04:27 GMT
#5
Wall + 1 tank > 3fac vults.
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MPXMX
Profile Joined December 2002
Canada4309 Posts
February 23 2004 04:35 GMT
#6
Not really. On maps where cliffs play a role less important than that on LT, 3 fact vults allow for map control, contain and the ability to expand earlier for the vulture player vs builds that allow for fewer units. I think 2 fact Vult-->tank-->expo(+acad) is not a bad way to go vs a 3 fac vult build. Just get siege and move out carefully about when the expo is ready.
actioN
Profile Joined July 2003
Denmark229 Posts
February 23 2004 04:36 GMT
#7
fast bc.
FroZZoR
Profile Joined October 2002
China925 Posts
February 23 2004 04:38 GMT
#8
wraiths(if they don't build their rax in center for early scout)
2 fact gol is ok
or build more vults are your only choices

DO NOT
go 2 fact gol w/starport
or any tank build
There can be only one
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33603 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-02-23 04:54:22
February 23 2004 04:54 GMT
#9
Progame TV tells me:

More vults

or

2 fact start, make vults and switch to gol at a magical timing where you won't get run over by vults
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SoL.Origin
Profile Joined September 2003
Argentina2400 Posts
February 23 2004 06:58 GMT
#10
1 fac tank + 1 port wraith, build cc at exp so he cant place mines (LT)
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GoDHovZ
Profile Joined January 2004
United States1869 Posts
February 23 2004 07:06 GMT
#11
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x[ReaPeR]x
Profile Joined February 2003
United States3447 Posts
February 23 2004 07:14 GMT
#12
If you go Wraiths against Vults your opponent would more than likely just send Vults into your base and kill SCV's faster than you can kill the Vults.
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GoDHovZ
Profile Joined January 2004
United States1869 Posts
February 23 2004 07:23 GMT
#13
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baal
Profile Joined March 2003
10708 Posts
February 23 2004 07:29 GMT
#14
i think 2 fact pumping a few early vults on ramp and switch to gols, preferably get Academy for scan quickly, when switching to gols you may want an SCV ro repair vults over ramp so he wont get in your base, and the most important, the timing to attack, since he may try to switch to Tanks to stop the gols you MUST attack before he has enough to stop your attack, you wont be able to climb his ramp is he is defending but you will stop him for expanding while you do, so he will have to wait for a few tanks to expand.

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GoDHovZ
Profile Joined January 2004
United States1869 Posts
February 23 2004 07:56 GMT
#15
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DooMeR
Profile Joined July 2003
United States1519 Posts
February 23 2004 07:57 GMT
#16
if ur micro is good just make 3 fac vults also --
that is... on a map with few cliffs. if u got cliffs just make a couple vults till u can get gols and start dropping :D!
x[ReaPeR]x
Profile Joined February 2003
United States3447 Posts
February 23 2004 09:18 GMT
#17
On February 23 2004 16:23 GoDHovZ wrote:
if u go wraith su have to wall in, and if u do your enemy will suspect them. thats why maps like gamea and nos suck tvt, cuz it removes all strategy. which is also why veg likes them because he has no brain


Nostalgia I agree, I don't find Gaema very limiting though, I know Vultures are good on that map but it has a gas expo so it's not too limiting.
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wishterran
Profile Joined February 2004
United States1045 Posts
February 23 2004 09:35 GMT
#18
either build more vults to gain an advantage or wall and tank - secure expo but be careful not to let your unit count drop to low or he will contain you..

hope this helps
baal
Profile Joined March 2003
10708 Posts
February 23 2004 09:41 GMT
#19
On February 23 2004 16:56 GoDHovZ wrote:
u will get contaiend by tanks and mines b4 you can do anything to stop it


i disagree Hovz, its a 3 FACT vults, not 2 facts, switching to Tanks take a lil bit more and i said fast academy with a few goliaths the early vults and the academy you can quickly get ot of your base where most mines are and then the second bunch of mines after you came out of you base would be defending his possible expansion, if he has an expansion he doesnt have money enough to switch to tanks + siege mode.
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TheLegend
Profile Joined February 2003
United States168 Posts
February 23 2004 09:57 GMT
#20
drop
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Aukai
Profile Joined April 2003
United States1183 Posts
February 23 2004 10:07 GMT
#21
No advice from the man who beat me
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GoDHovZ
Profile Joined January 2004
United States1869 Posts
February 23 2004 10:12 GMT
#22
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AK-Nemesis
Profile Joined December 2002
2005 Posts
February 23 2004 10:44 GMT
#23
i remember a few months back there was a best of 7 match between Veg and Froz and veg did 3 fact vults in almost all of hte games and lost. maybe you should watch those reps.
i think it was a liquibation match.
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GoDHovZ
Profile Joined January 2004
United States1869 Posts
February 23 2004 11:01 GMT
#24
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AutumnLight
Profile Joined July 2003
Ukraine2488 Posts
February 23 2004 11:16 GMT
#25
froz doesn't try anywhere where money isn't involved,it's that simple
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chava
Profile Joined February 2004
United States66 Posts
February 23 2004 11:19 GMT
#26
and yet he still kicks ass...
funny how that works
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Profile Joined May 2003
United States960 Posts
February 23 2004 11:21 GMT
#27
dosent try??? how the fuck can you say that.....of course he tries......he may not be prepared, but he fucking tries.
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AutumnLight
Profile Joined July 2003
Ukraine2488 Posts
February 23 2004 11:23 GMT
#28
not bloody likely that he gives a damn for useless games...
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Commander{+}
Profile Joined December 2002
United States2878 Posts
February 23 2004 11:25 GMT
#29
I love how you all think you *know* how froz thinks.
4 cheers for Ryan307
GoDHovZ
Profile Joined January 2004
United States1869 Posts
February 23 2004 11:30 GMT
#30
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taeWook
Profile Joined February 2003
United States1367 Posts
February 23 2004 11:38 GMT
#31
hrm, from my knowledge 3 fac vults are not very effective vs terran. just wall in, get tanks with seige and make expo in main. slowly move out making turret and setting up tanks, and expand as necessary. a bunker or two with some marines will stop any vulture rush, so I dont see what the problem is. by this time you will be far up ahead in the money game, so just mass and drop or push..that simple..
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IDWIJNI-
Profile Joined February 2003
Mexico332 Posts
February 23 2004 11:51 GMT
#32
Bunker/wraiths.
Munkeys
Profile Joined May 2003
United States146 Posts
February 23 2004 12:37 GMT
#33
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lovehis
Profile Joined January 2004
United States466 Posts
February 23 2004 12:39 GMT
#34
4 fac vals.... Like Xellos...
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AutumnLight
Profile Joined July 2003
Ukraine2488 Posts
February 23 2004 12:53 GMT
#35
bunker can actually kill alot of vults when 4 rines insde and scvs repair but make more vults and win
Pray for War.
RuGbUg
Profile Joined June 2003
United States2347 Posts
February 23 2004 12:58 GMT
#36
On February 23 2004 20:38 taeWook wrote:
hrm, from my knowledge 3 fac vults are not very effective vs terran. just wall in, get tanks with seige and make expo in main. slowly move out making turret and setting up tanks, and expand as necessary. a bunker or two with some marines will stop any vulture rush, so I dont see what the problem is. by this time you will be far up ahead in the money game, so just mass and drop or push..that simple..

have you played tvt what, twice?
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Beyonder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands15103 Posts
February 23 2004 13:56 GMT
#37
What is the world coming to when Hovz tells people they have no brain
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Yarertz
Profile Joined February 2003
Djibouti1891 Posts
February 23 2004 14:03 GMT
#38
so many flames
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Klogon
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
MURICA15980 Posts
February 23 2004 14:19 GMT
#39
On February 23 2004 22:56 Beyonder wrote:
What is the world coming to when Hovz tells people they have no brain
Rekrul is inactive? I donno
Drazzzt
Profile Joined September 2002
Germany999 Posts
February 23 2004 14:52 GMT
#40
Has anyone some great replay links for TvTs where there are 3 facs vulture builds? I don't have much time for BW lately (unfortunately ) and I seem to lack the "newer" (I'd guess that vulture builds are popular for more than a year now ) developments in strategy.
I still haven't seen a perfect vulture build in TvT.
Regards
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baal
Profile Joined March 2003
10708 Posts
February 23 2004 16:18 GMT
#41
no actually you are supoused to scan your choke with the initial 50 and when you come to his base you should be near 50 again, its matter of timing, a very very good timing would own 3 fact vults badly.
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FroZZoR
Profile Joined October 2002
China925 Posts
February 23 2004 16:34 GMT
#42
come to his base?
he can place mines in the middle...
u don't need scan to kill mines if u build pure goliath...
There can be only one
Beast_Bg
Profile Joined October 2002
Bulgaria1623 Posts
February 23 2004 18:20 GMT
#43
"DO NOT
go 2 fact gol w/starport"

I don't agree, I would go exactly 2 fac gols(really early fac 11 gas and on 200/100,with machine shop ready for future plans ) and rally them from the start in front of my base(and maybe even close to his) so that when the vulcs come they won't be able to lay mines.When I get like 6 I would start a Starport and eventually make tanks.If he has gone 3 fac vulc/tanks he will be VERY vulnerable to 2 dropships of tanks/gols at some point(after you have 2 tanks at position of course).
If you make no mistakes 3 fac vulcs sux.
The only map I can think of that is good for that strat is Martian Cross , but it can be countered there as well.
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baal
Profile Joined March 2003
10708 Posts
February 23 2004 18:29 GMT
#44
On February 24 2004 01:34 FroZZoR wrote:
come to his base?
he can place mines in the middle...
u don't need scan to kill mines if u build pure goliath...


yes but in the middle would be minimal amounts of vults that can easily be killed by the gols and a couple of vults you are supoused to have.

You are confusing 2 fact vult vs 3 fact vult, even if gols ownz mines there are toooooo many mines if its a 3fact vult thats why scan is a good option IMO.
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iN_ReD
Profile Joined February 2004
Canada9 Posts
February 23 2004 22:52 GMT
#45
Scan is not important, with enough gols you can carefully move out with "attack & stop" whoring. If it's 3 fact then a safely made gol drop later on is fine as you can drop before theres tanks. If it's 2 fact vults with double grades same thing applies accept you need only a few gols before tanks, elsewise he'lls just start pumping tanks before you can catch up. Most players seem to go standard gol drop build nowadays so I would skip trying vulture cuteness and go for tanks and own.
GoDHovZ
Profile Joined January 2004
United States1869 Posts
February 23 2004 23:00 GMT
#46
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FreeZEternal
Profile Joined January 2003
Korea (South)3396 Posts
February 23 2004 23:49 GMT
#47
2fact goli seems reasonable if you don't want to go same strat +_+
GoDHovZ
Profile Joined January 2004
United States1869 Posts
February 24 2004 00:16 GMT
#48
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Konni
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
Germany3044 Posts
February 24 2004 00:20 GMT
#49
i like good comments so plz shut up baal & hovz
Chuiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
3470 Posts
February 24 2004 00:30 GMT
#50
2 fact 1 port with quick drop/mines. Sounds like it will work.
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GoDHovZ
Profile Joined January 2004
United States1869 Posts
February 24 2004 00:40 GMT
#51
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Profile Joined October 2002
China925 Posts
February 24 2004 00:49 GMT
#52
you are all idiots
any dropship strat is extremely stupid vs 3 fact vult on a map like gowon, if played right they should be able to defend and set up on your cliff, then it's gg
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Neddi
Profile Joined February 2004
Germany2 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-02-24 01:10:33
February 24 2004 01:09 GMT
#53
Inspired by this thread I wanted to try 3 fact vultures vs Terra on LT

Well quite funny game. I left, but I won cause of exactly ONE wraith :D



TerravsTerra

Hi ~ -.-
Aukai
Profile Joined April 2003
United States1183 Posts
February 24 2004 04:15 GMT
#54
On February 24 2004 03:20 Beast_Bg wrote:
"DO NOT
go 2 fact gol w/starport"

I don't agree, I would go exactly 2 fac gols(really early fac 11 gas and on 200/100,with machine shop ready for future plans ) and rally them from the start in front of my base(and maybe even close to his) so that when the vulcs come they won't be able to lay mines.When I get like 6 I would start a Starport and eventually make tanks.If he has gone 3 fac vulc/tanks he will be VERY vulnerable to 2 dropships of tanks/gols at some point(after you have 2 tanks at position of course).
If you make no mistakes 3 fac vulcs sux.
The only map I can think of that is good for that strat is Martian Cross , but it can be countered there as well.


They can have mines + vuls before your gols, so I don't see this working...

Thanks for everyone who gave the good advice I was looking for, hovz and frozzor in particular.
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AutumnLight
Profile Joined July 2003
Ukraine2488 Posts
February 24 2004 04:27 GMT
#55
There was this rep where it opposed Xellos to Androide..great vult action, I still have both reps if I can find them.
Pray for War.
baal
Profile Joined March 2003
10708 Posts
February 24 2004 06:29 GMT
#56
i insist, when you say you dont need scan you are thinking in 2 fact vults, 3 fact vults theres so many many mines you cannot walk withouth being harmed even with goliaths.
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Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28796 Posts
February 24 2004 06:34 GMT
#57
baal if you have enough goliaths you won't lose shit to mines.
unless like 12 pop up on the exact same spot, but if that happens they're likely to trap eachother and they will often be wasted on one unit.
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taRo_leE
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada102 Posts
February 24 2004 07:29 GMT
#58
blitzkrieg!
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SpuniasauR
Profile Joined September 2003
Australia1500 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-02-24 08:17:57
February 24 2004 08:14 GMT
#59
gawd. listen to frozzor and waxy. 2fact, u got some vision on his base at start so u should know if hes goin 1 or 2 fact. in that case, grab 2 fact, vult rush and if u get the rax in his main and see how many (or u can tell ur bein outnumbered in vult v. vult) then u gotta switch to goli. in a more open map u might need to stick to vult a lil longer or else ur golis will be constantly sweeping mines and vults out from behind ur min line and buildings... on a cliff its easy to keep em out, but in the open vults will squeeze between all nooks and crannies. so golis might have a hard time for a while till uve massed alot of them.

by which time a good terraner will expand and maybe start up serious drop or tank push w/ turret outside ur base...

eh so the moral of the story is... either switch to goli nice and early to mass them fast orrrr out vulture him. when i c a guy goin hard out vulture i often proxy fac somewhere. on LT its great pop one tank out and plonk him in ur ramp goons v. vult style, then econ pilage with 3-4 vults from the proxy. its all up 2 ur own style of play.
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baal
Profile Joined March 2003
10708 Posts
February 24 2004 08:28 GMT
#60
On February 24 2004 15:34 Liquid`Drone wrote:
baal if you have enough goliaths you won't lose shit to mines.
unless like 12 pop up on the exact same spot, but if that happens they're likely to trap eachother and they will often be wasted on one unit.


yes but im saying to come out with less goliaths to catch him before he has siegue tanks, so yes you can get out with enough goliaths but he should have tanks defending at that time.
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RuGbUg
Profile Joined June 2003
United States2347 Posts
February 24 2004 10:16 GMT
#61
baal you are completely wrong

you can break out with only like 6 gols, and if they went 3 fact vult they will not have tanks in time before you do
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GoDHovZ
Profile Joined January 2004
United States1869 Posts
February 24 2004 13:10 GMT
#62
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RuGbUg
Profile Joined June 2003
United States2347 Posts
February 24 2004 13:49 GMT
#63
i think that was arrived at
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