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On December 28 2009 03:03 Puosu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2009 03:01 kulik- wrote:On December 28 2009 02:52 lac29 wrote:On December 28 2009 02:42 Puosu wrote:On December 28 2009 02:39 kulik- wrote:On December 28 2009 02:38 zergpower123 wrote:
Perhaps Idra could pull some strings and ask if CJ wants a good foreign zerg. He is kind of established so perhaps you can give the coach or what not of CJ a good word about Ret. even if he ask no chance imo ret is old I'm starting to think that age isn't as big of a factor as it is often in the SC scene thought to be, many of the great Quake players are a lot older than SC players and Quake is a lot more demanding when it comes to reflexes or quick movement and what not. Ret just turned on his stream btw. practicing some muta micro it seems! I dunno about the Quake pro scene but I doubt they have that many young players challenging the older ones ... thus the old pros are still good after so many years I assume. exactly in quake there is not such a big competion such as in bw imo My point was more about that if a 25+ year old Quake player can do those insane reflex shots and things like that, I doubt there's anything in BW that is more mechanically demanding and thus couldn't be done by a older person.
its like in ice hockey... like Chris chelios because of this experience he was able to play in 40... but with speed he wasnot able to catch faster player but because he knew where to stand he was good
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It is laughably unprofessional if eSTRO doesn't look after their players at all, making sure everyone is able to practice as much as they want should be one of the primary things.
And its fucked up if these guys expect that they can just invite someone to Korea and give him false hope of better practice conditions and then just neglecting him when he's actually there.
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On December 28 2009 03:08 yhnmk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2009 03:04 Shengster wrote:On December 28 2009 02:45 littlechava wrote:On December 28 2009 02:28 emucxg wrote:Ok, I'm an anti-fan of eSTRO now This. Fuck estro. Whoa, hold on a minute. Do you expect eSTRO to just give him a pro-gaming license? What has ret done so far to actually deserve it? Coming in to Korea, he was an unproven commodity. These two showings at courage (getting knocked out of the first round) certainly doesn't help his reputation. You have to realize there are many other korean amateurs who are more talented and younger than him. From this perspective, I don't expect eSTRO nor any other pro-gaming team to pick him up. You might as well hate them all. It's great that pro-gaming is ret's dream, but the reality of it is that many fail and only a select few actually go on to fame and fortune. Being a foreigner in Korea already has inherent disadvantages. You don't know the language, culture, and living environment. Past a certain point, you really have to ask yourself whether this is the lifestyle you want to lead (especially if you aren't successful). I'm still rooting for ret to do well, but maybe it's time to make the best of this, enjoy the time in Korea, and go back to the Netherlands with an interesting story to share. Wtf? Did you actually just decide to not fucking read the thread yet still run your mouth? Estro, for the second KNOWN time has not PRACTICED with their foreign players. They brought idra in, the players refused to practice with him, the coaches did nothing. They brought ret in, same deal. Who knows what happened to nony. This isnt a matter of estro not giving him his license, its a matter of them reneging on their obligations. They brought him onto the team as a practice partner so he could develop, get his license, etc. They have done nothing to actually help that. Bringing in foreigners is clearly nothing more than publicity stunt to them. So again, fuck estro, and fuck anyone who defends them.
You ever watch the NBA? There's a development league called the NBADL. The players are borderline NBA players, but play for pennies when compared to NBA salaries. They're great players, but most don't have enough talent to make the jump. Does being in the D League mean you'll be able to practice with Kobe, Lebron, and Dwade?
Being in Korea does not entitle you to ANYTHING. I'm appalled at how many people here think that just because ret is a foreigner, he deserves preferential treatment.
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On December 28 2009 03:11 Puosu wrote:
It is laughably unprofessional if eSTRO doesn't look after their players at all, making sure everyone is able to practice as much as they want should be one of the primary things.
And its fucked up if these guys expect that they can just invite someone to Korea and give him false hope of better practice conditions and then just neglecting him when he's actually there.
why they should give a fuck about practice partners or lower? there is thousands of koreans who replace RET place immidietly...
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On December 28 2009 03:04 Shengster wrote:
Whoa, hold on a minute. Do you expect eSTRO to just give him a pro-gaming license? What has ret done so far to actually deserve it? Coming in to Korea, he was an unproven commodity. These two showings at courage (getting knocked out of the first round) certainly doesn't help his reputation. You have to realize there are many other korean amateurs who are more talented and younger than him. From this perspective, I don't expect eSTRO nor any other pro-gaming team to pick him up. You might as well hate them all.
I'm sick of reading this stuff. Nobody expects estro to suddenly give ret a progamer license after being over there for a few weeks. However, after the initial incident having ret leave the house and making it clear he wasn't receving much in the way or help or training (as was the case with Idra), Nony's experience, it becomes clear that something seems fundamentally flawed in their handling of foreigners.
I wont speculate as to the exact problems, but I'd say it is apparent that something isn't being handled correctly.
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On December 28 2009 03:10 lac29 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2009 03:04 Shengster wrote:On December 28 2009 02:45 littlechava wrote:On December 28 2009 02:28 emucxg wrote:Ok, I'm an anti-fan of eSTRO now This. Fuck estro. Whoa, hold on a minute. Do you expect eSTRO to just give him a pro-gaming license? What has ret done so far to actually deserve it? Coming in to Korea, he was an unproven commodity. These two showings at courage (getting knocked out of the first round) certainly doesn't help his reputation. You have to realize there are many other korean amateurs who are more talented and younger than him. From this perspective, I don't expect eSTRO nor any other pro-gaming team to pick him up. You might as well hate them all. It's great that pro-gaming is ret's dream, but the reality of it is that many fail and only a select few actually go on to fame and fortune. Being a foreigner in Korea already has inherent disadvantages. You don't know the language, culture, and living environment. Past a certain point, you really have to ask yourself whether this is the lifestyle you want to lead (especially if you aren't successful). Agreed, there are so many Koreans who fail on becoming pro-SC players ... it just makes it that much harder for ret to do so. I don't think TLers really fully realize how many FAILED progamers there are. Edit: To the person above ... put yourself in an ESTRO player's position ... who wants to play against someone that might be cheating?
It's easy to accept that the estro players are ignorant nerds, that's expected. It's the coaching staff that are huge douchebags for not doing anything about it.
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On December 28 2009 03:12 kulik- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2009 03:11 Puosu wrote:
It is laughably unprofessional if eSTRO doesn't look after their players at all, making sure everyone is able to practice as much as they want should be one of the primary things.
And its fucked up if these guys expect that they can just invite someone to Korea and give him false hope of better practice conditions and then just neglecting him when he's actually there.
why they should give a fuck about practice partners or lower? there is thousands of koreans who replace RET place immidietly...
If they are not prepared to look after him they should not have invited him in the first place.
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On December 28 2009 03:11 Shengster wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2009 03:08 yhnmk wrote:On December 28 2009 03:04 Shengster wrote:On December 28 2009 02:45 littlechava wrote:On December 28 2009 02:28 emucxg wrote:Ok, I'm an anti-fan of eSTRO now This. Fuck estro. Whoa, hold on a minute. Do you expect eSTRO to just give him a pro-gaming license? What has ret done so far to actually deserve it? Coming in to Korea, he was an unproven commodity. These two showings at courage (getting knocked out of the first round) certainly doesn't help his reputation. You have to realize there are many other korean amateurs who are more talented and younger than him. From this perspective, I don't expect eSTRO nor any other pro-gaming team to pick him up. You might as well hate them all. It's great that pro-gaming is ret's dream, but the reality of it is that many fail and only a select few actually go on to fame and fortune. Being a foreigner in Korea already has inherent disadvantages. You don't know the language, culture, and living environment. Past a certain point, you really have to ask yourself whether this is the lifestyle you want to lead (especially if you aren't successful). I'm still rooting for ret to do well, but maybe it's time to make the best of this, enjoy the time in Korea, and go back to the Netherlands with an interesting story to share. Wtf? Did you actually just decide to not fucking read the thread yet still run your mouth? Estro, for the second KNOWN time has not PRACTICED with their foreign players. They brought idra in, the players refused to practice with him, the coaches did nothing. They brought ret in, same deal. Who knows what happened to nony. This isnt a matter of estro not giving him his license, its a matter of them reneging on their obligations. They brought him onto the team as a practice partner so he could develop, get his license, etc. They have done nothing to actually help that. Bringing in foreigners is clearly nothing more than publicity stunt to them. So again, fuck estro, and fuck anyone who defends them. You ever watch the NBA? There's a development league called the NBADL. The players are borderline NBA players, but play for pennies when compared to NBA salaries. They're great players, but most don't have enough talent to make the jump. Does being in the D League mean you'll be able to practice with Kobe, Lebron, and Dwade? Being in Korea does not entitle you to ANYTHING. I'm appalled at how many people here think that just because ret is a foreigner, he deserves preferential treatment. You are clearly a fucking moron who doesnt comprehend basic english. This is not preferential treatment. When you join a pro team, you join it to practice with the better players. Thats the fucking POINT. Its not for shits and giggles. Every other player at rets level gets practice with every other player on every other fucking team, it is estro refusing to play with foreigners under the assumption that they are bad [not cheating, they did this with idra too] and the incompetence of the coaching staff that has fucked ret.
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On December 28 2009 03:12 I_Love_Bacon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2009 03:04 Shengster wrote:
Whoa, hold on a minute. Do you expect eSTRO to just give him a pro-gaming license? What has ret done so far to actually deserve it? Coming in to Korea, he was an unproven commodity. These two showings at courage (getting knocked out of the first round) certainly doesn't help his reputation. You have to realize there are many other korean amateurs who are more talented and younger than him. From this perspective, I don't expect eSTRO nor any other pro-gaming team to pick him up. You might as well hate them all. I'm sick of reading this stuff. Nobody expects estro to suddenly give ret a progamer license after being over there for a few weeks. However, after the initial incident having ret leave the house and making it clear he wasn't receving much in the way or help or training (as was the case with Idra), Nony's experience, it becomes clear that something seems fundamentally flawed in their handling of foreigners. I wont speculate as to the exact problems, but I'd say it is apparent that something isn't being handled correctly.
What? Why invite the guy into the house then? Every other player invited into the eSTRO house is playing on a regular schedule against his teammates. It's unabashedly unfair to make a different standard for foreigners than koreans if you invite them both as players into the same environment. There are thousands of people who didn't make it, of course, but they never got into the house in the first place.
NBA reference - Sure there's a development league, but guess what.. if you're on KOBE's team you better believe he doesn't only practice against Odom and Gosol. That bench player who never gets minutes gets to play against him too. He's part of the team. Kobe won't play against some random dude on the street, but if you tell him this guy is a Laker, he's gonna respect that.
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Estro owners put 3 different foreigners in their practice house. They all were different ages, races, skill levels and personalities. Three times it didn't work out.
It's pretty clear there is a conflict between the owners who want foreign players and the players/coaches who don't. If the players are all totally against it the coaches won't force their players to play ret/idra/nony.
It almost seems like the players/coaches decided to bully out ret asap. It's not that they don't really like to play him because he's not good and can't talk about the game. They all boycotted him. Same with Idra. Apparently Nony did get them to play him. Some say because Duke is a name they recognized. Maybe it's because he did so well at Courage.
Ret's results are what is expected really. He lost twice to good players who he potentially could have beaten. It's just that there is no perspective. If he wins courage off iccup practice then maybe CJ will pick him up. But that's two times a big 'maybe'.
Age is a problem because Koreans burn out and because they also have a draft. Ret already got his education done partially and he doesn't have to go to the military. Donno how close he is to being burned out after playing for 9 years but I imagine he wanted to stay till at least SC2.
CJ took Idra because Estro gave him a license. Estro probably did because CJ gave them something in return be it money or draft picks or whatever. CJ won't just take ret. They know they have to invest 1 or 2 years in him and he doesn't even have a license yet. But they very well may if ret had a license and the dedication to keep doing this for years, like idra.
Without the support of a team there is little point into staying in Korea. But there is also TSL2 of course.
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On December 28 2009 03:17 Fzero wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2009 03:12 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On December 28 2009 03:04 Shengster wrote:
Whoa, hold on a minute. Do you expect eSTRO to just give him a pro-gaming license? What has ret done so far to actually deserve it? Coming in to Korea, he was an unproven commodity. These two showings at courage (getting knocked out of the first round) certainly doesn't help his reputation. You have to realize there are many other korean amateurs who are more talented and younger than him. From this perspective, I don't expect eSTRO nor any other pro-gaming team to pick him up. You might as well hate them all. I'm sick of reading this stuff. Nobody expects estro to suddenly give ret a progamer license after being over there for a few weeks. However, after the initial incident having ret leave the house and making it clear he wasn't receving much in the way or help or training (as was the case with Idra), Nony's experience, it becomes clear that something seems fundamentally flawed in their handling of foreigners. I wont speculate as to the exact problems, but I'd say it is apparent that something isn't being handled correctly. What? Why invite the guy into the house then? Every other player invited into the eSTRO house is playing on a regular schedule against his teammates. It's unabashedly unfair to make a different standard for foreigners than koreans if you invite them both as players into the same environment. There are thousands of people who didn't make it, of course, but they never got into the house in the first place.
You misunderstand, I'm agreeing that something is wrong with eStro's player management (at least for foreigners). I don't expect them to hand anything to him, as I wouldn't expect them to hand anything to their practice partners or B-Teamers. However, that isn't to say they need to make things harder without helping ret/others at all.
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On December 28 2009 03:15 yhnmk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2009 03:11 Shengster wrote:On December 28 2009 03:08 yhnmk wrote:On December 28 2009 03:04 Shengster wrote:On December 28 2009 02:45 littlechava wrote:On December 28 2009 02:28 emucxg wrote:Ok, I'm an anti-fan of eSTRO now This. Fuck estro. Whoa, hold on a minute. Do you expect eSTRO to just give him a pro-gaming license? What has ret done so far to actually deserve it? Coming in to Korea, he was an unproven commodity. These two showings at courage (getting knocked out of the first round) certainly doesn't help his reputation. You have to realize there are many other korean amateurs who are more talented and younger than him. From this perspective, I don't expect eSTRO nor any other pro-gaming team to pick him up. You might as well hate them all. It's great that pro-gaming is ret's dream, but the reality of it is that many fail and only a select few actually go on to fame and fortune. Being a foreigner in Korea already has inherent disadvantages. You don't know the language, culture, and living environment. Past a certain point, you really have to ask yourself whether this is the lifestyle you want to lead (especially if you aren't successful). I'm still rooting for ret to do well, but maybe it's time to make the best of this, enjoy the time in Korea, and go back to the Netherlands with an interesting story to share. Wtf? Did you actually just decide to not fucking read the thread yet still run your mouth? Estro, for the second KNOWN time has not PRACTICED with their foreign players. They brought idra in, the players refused to practice with him, the coaches did nothing. They brought ret in, same deal. Who knows what happened to nony. This isnt a matter of estro not giving him his license, its a matter of them reneging on their obligations. They brought him onto the team as a practice partner so he could develop, get his license, etc. They have done nothing to actually help that. Bringing in foreigners is clearly nothing more than publicity stunt to them. So again, fuck estro, and fuck anyone who defends them. You ever watch the NBA? There's a development league called the NBADL. The players are borderline NBA players, but play for pennies when compared to NBA salaries. They're great players, but most don't have enough talent to make the jump. Does being in the D League mean you'll be able to practice with Kobe, Lebron, and Dwade? Being in Korea does not entitle you to ANYTHING. I'm appalled at how many people here think that just because ret is a foreigner, he deserves preferential treatment. You are clearly a fucking moron who doesnt comprehend basic english. This is not preferential treatment. When you join a pro team, you join it to practice with the better players. Thats the fucking POINT. Its not for shits and giggles. Every other player at rets level gets practice with every other player on every other fucking team, it is estro refusing to play with foreigners under the assumption that they are bad [not cheating, they did this with idra too] and the incompetence of the coaching staff that has fucked ret.
The whole point of being a practice partner is so that other players (usually better) can play against you to practice for important matches. Has ret proven to be better than the purported "thousands" that would immediately take his place? Keep in mind these are players who can speak the language and are already accustomed to Korean playing styles.
With this knowledge in hand, what makes you think he'll immediately be playing with A-teamers right away? It's like going from college basketball straight to the big leagues. How many rookies get considerable playing time from the get-go?
I remember when Nony went to Korea, they spent time to change his hotkeys and fix his bad habits. Until ret improves, his position in the eSTRO house wont change.
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On December 28 2009 03:22 Shengster wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2009 03:15 yhnmk wrote:On December 28 2009 03:11 Shengster wrote:On December 28 2009 03:08 yhnmk wrote:On December 28 2009 03:04 Shengster wrote:On December 28 2009 02:45 littlechava wrote:On December 28 2009 02:28 emucxg wrote:Ok, I'm an anti-fan of eSTRO now This. Fuck estro. Whoa, hold on a minute. Do you expect eSTRO to just give him a pro-gaming license? What has ret done so far to actually deserve it? Coming in to Korea, he was an unproven commodity. These two showings at courage (getting knocked out of the first round) certainly doesn't help his reputation. You have to realize there are many other korean amateurs who are more talented and younger than him. From this perspective, I don't expect eSTRO nor any other pro-gaming team to pick him up. You might as well hate them all. It's great that pro-gaming is ret's dream, but the reality of it is that many fail and only a select few actually go on to fame and fortune. Being a foreigner in Korea already has inherent disadvantages. You don't know the language, culture, and living environment. Past a certain point, you really have to ask yourself whether this is the lifestyle you want to lead (especially if you aren't successful). I'm still rooting for ret to do well, but maybe it's time to make the best of this, enjoy the time in Korea, and go back to the Netherlands with an interesting story to share. Wtf? Did you actually just decide to not fucking read the thread yet still run your mouth? Estro, for the second KNOWN time has not PRACTICED with their foreign players. They brought idra in, the players refused to practice with him, the coaches did nothing. They brought ret in, same deal. Who knows what happened to nony. This isnt a matter of estro not giving him his license, its a matter of them reneging on their obligations. They brought him onto the team as a practice partner so he could develop, get his license, etc. They have done nothing to actually help that. Bringing in foreigners is clearly nothing more than publicity stunt to them. So again, fuck estro, and fuck anyone who defends them. You ever watch the NBA? There's a development league called the NBADL. The players are borderline NBA players, but play for pennies when compared to NBA salaries. They're great players, but most don't have enough talent to make the jump. Does being in the D League mean you'll be able to practice with Kobe, Lebron, and Dwade? Being in Korea does not entitle you to ANYTHING. I'm appalled at how many people here think that just because ret is a foreigner, he deserves preferential treatment. You are clearly a fucking moron who doesnt comprehend basic english. This is not preferential treatment. When you join a pro team, you join it to practice with the better players. Thats the fucking POINT. Its not for shits and giggles. Every other player at rets level gets practice with every other player on every other fucking team, it is estro refusing to play with foreigners under the assumption that they are bad [not cheating, they did this with idra too] and the incompetence of the coaching staff that has fucked ret. The whole point of being a practice partner is so that other players (usually better) can play against you to practice for important matches. Has ret proven to be better than the purported "thousands" that would immediately take his place? Keep in mind these are players who can speak the language and are already accustomed to Korean playing styles. With this knowledge in hand, what makes you think he'll immediately be playing with A-teamers right away? It's like going from college basketball straight to the big leagues. How many rookies get considerable playing time from the get-go? I remember when Nony went to Korea, they spent time to change his hotkeys and fix his bad habits. Until ret improves, his position in the eSTRO house wont change. Stop using fucking metaphors jackass. This isnt a matter of ret proving his worth to practice with really or someone to that effect. He cant practice with anyone, shitty or otherwise. All the bad players have opportunity to play with the good players, this is a professional environment and thats how its set up. If you are shitty or not you get practice so that you develop, and the better players can understand how to react to a variety of different skills and styles. This isn't average, this isnt comparable to another sport, it isnt reasonable. Stop talking out of your ass.
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On December 28 2009 03:11 Shengster wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2009 03:08 yhnmk wrote:On December 28 2009 03:04 Shengster wrote:On December 28 2009 02:45 littlechava wrote:On December 28 2009 02:28 emucxg wrote:Ok, I'm an anti-fan of eSTRO now This. Fuck estro. Whoa, hold on a minute. Do you expect eSTRO to just give him a pro-gaming license? What has ret done so far to actually deserve it? Coming in to Korea, he was an unproven commodity. These two showings at courage (getting knocked out of the first round) certainly doesn't help his reputation. You have to realize there are many other korean amateurs who are more talented and younger than him. From this perspective, I don't expect eSTRO nor any other pro-gaming team to pick him up. You might as well hate them all. It's great that pro-gaming is ret's dream, but the reality of it is that many fail and only a select few actually go on to fame and fortune. Being a foreigner in Korea already has inherent disadvantages. You don't know the language, culture, and living environment. Past a certain point, you really have to ask yourself whether this is the lifestyle you want to lead (especially if you aren't successful). I'm still rooting for ret to do well, but maybe it's time to make the best of this, enjoy the time in Korea, and go back to the Netherlands with an interesting story to share. Wtf? Did you actually just decide to not fucking read the thread yet still run your mouth? Estro, for the second KNOWN time has not PRACTICED with their foreign players. They brought idra in, the players refused to practice with him, the coaches did nothing. They brought ret in, same deal. Who knows what happened to nony. This isnt a matter of estro not giving him his license, its a matter of them reneging on their obligations. They brought him onto the team as a practice partner so he could develop, get his license, etc. They have done nothing to actually help that. Bringing in foreigners is clearly nothing more than publicity stunt to them. So again, fuck estro, and fuck anyone who defends them. You ever watch the NBA? There's a development league called the NBADL. The players are borderline NBA players, but play for pennies when compared to NBA salaries. They're great players, but most don't have enough talent to make the jump. Does being in the D League mean you'll be able to practice with Kobe, Lebron, and Dwade? Being in Korea does not entitle you to ANYTHING. I'm appalled at how many people here think that just because ret is a foreigner, he deserves preferential treatment.
Please, read the whole of the thread before you embarrass yourself any more.
Nobody said Ret deserved to get his license straight away, or any kind of preferential treatment. But seeing as he was and eSTRO practice partner, living with the team, you'd think eSTRO would uh... practice with him.
Your analogy is terrible. Nobody said Ret deserved to get 1v1 sessions with Really and UpMaGiC and Hyvaa, but is Fancy too much to ask?
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On December 28 2009 03:11 Shengster wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2009 03:08 yhnmk wrote:On December 28 2009 03:04 Shengster wrote:On December 28 2009 02:45 littlechava wrote:On December 28 2009 02:28 emucxg wrote:Ok, I'm an anti-fan of eSTRO now This. Fuck estro. Whoa, hold on a minute. Do you expect eSTRO to just give him a pro-gaming license? What has ret done so far to actually deserve it? Coming in to Korea, he was an unproven commodity. These two showings at courage (getting knocked out of the first round) certainly doesn't help his reputation. You have to realize there are many other korean amateurs who are more talented and younger than him. From this perspective, I don't expect eSTRO nor any other pro-gaming team to pick him up. You might as well hate them all. It's great that pro-gaming is ret's dream, but the reality of it is that many fail and only a select few actually go on to fame and fortune. Being a foreigner in Korea already has inherent disadvantages. You don't know the language, culture, and living environment. Past a certain point, you really have to ask yourself whether this is the lifestyle you want to lead (especially if you aren't successful). I'm still rooting for ret to do well, but maybe it's time to make the best of this, enjoy the time in Korea, and go back to the Netherlands with an interesting story to share. Wtf? Did you actually just decide to not fucking read the thread yet still run your mouth? Estro, for the second KNOWN time has not PRACTICED with their foreign players. They brought idra in, the players refused to practice with him, the coaches did nothing. They brought ret in, same deal. Who knows what happened to nony. This isnt a matter of estro not giving him his license, its a matter of them reneging on their obligations. They brought him onto the team as a practice partner so he could develop, get his license, etc. They have done nothing to actually help that. Bringing in foreigners is clearly nothing more than publicity stunt to them. So again, fuck estro, and fuck anyone who defends them. You ever watch the NBA? There's a development league called the NBADL. The players are borderline NBA players, but play for pennies when compared to NBA salaries. They're great players, but most don't have enough talent to make the jump. Does being in the D League mean you'll be able to practice with Kobe, Lebron, and Dwade? Being in Korea does not entitle you to ANYTHING. I'm appalled at how many people here think that just because ret is a foreigner, he deserves preferential treatment.
Nobody is complaining about preferential treatment. eSTRO isn't allowing him or is not encouraging other players in the house to play him. That doesn't mean UpMagic, that means that means a bunch of weak b-teamers won't play him. I think it's considered a basic part of inviting someone to the team to have them practice with the team, even the worst b-teamers, otherwise the house is just a giant PC bang for ret.
I'm getting the feeling, what with Idra and ret now, that eSTRO may be doing this more for publicity rather than any actual feeling that they might get a useful player.
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On December 28 2009 03:27 cz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2009 03:11 Shengster wrote:On December 28 2009 03:08 yhnmk wrote:On December 28 2009 03:04 Shengster wrote:On December 28 2009 02:45 littlechava wrote:On December 28 2009 02:28 emucxg wrote:Ok, I'm an anti-fan of eSTRO now This. Fuck estro. Whoa, hold on a minute. Do you expect eSTRO to just give him a pro-gaming license? What has ret done so far to actually deserve it? Coming in to Korea, he was an unproven commodity. These two showings at courage (getting knocked out of the first round) certainly doesn't help his reputation. You have to realize there are many other korean amateurs who are more talented and younger than him. From this perspective, I don't expect eSTRO nor any other pro-gaming team to pick him up. You might as well hate them all. It's great that pro-gaming is ret's dream, but the reality of it is that many fail and only a select few actually go on to fame and fortune. Being a foreigner in Korea already has inherent disadvantages. You don't know the language, culture, and living environment. Past a certain point, you really have to ask yourself whether this is the lifestyle you want to lead (especially if you aren't successful). I'm still rooting for ret to do well, but maybe it's time to make the best of this, enjoy the time in Korea, and go back to the Netherlands with an interesting story to share. Wtf? Did you actually just decide to not fucking read the thread yet still run your mouth? Estro, for the second KNOWN time has not PRACTICED with their foreign players. They brought idra in, the players refused to practice with him, the coaches did nothing. They brought ret in, same deal. Who knows what happened to nony. This isnt a matter of estro not giving him his license, its a matter of them reneging on their obligations. They brought him onto the team as a practice partner so he could develop, get his license, etc. They have done nothing to actually help that. Bringing in foreigners is clearly nothing more than publicity stunt to them. So again, fuck estro, and fuck anyone who defends them. You ever watch the NBA? There's a development league called the NBADL. The players are borderline NBA players, but play for pennies when compared to NBA salaries. They're great players, but most don't have enough talent to make the jump. Does being in the D League mean you'll be able to practice with Kobe, Lebron, and Dwade? Being in Korea does not entitle you to ANYTHING. I'm appalled at how many people here think that just because ret is a foreigner, he deserves preferential treatment. Nobody is complaining about preferential treatment. eSTRO isn't allowing him or is not encouraging other players in the house to play him. That doesn't mean UpMagic, that means that means a bunch of weak b-teamers won't play him. I think it's considered a basic part of inviting someone to the team to have them practice with the team, even the worst b-teamers, otherwise the house is just a giant PC bang for ret. I'm getting the feeling, what with Idra and ret now, that eSTRO may be doing this more for publicity rather than any actual feeling that they might get a useful player.
Damn that sucks. My bad. :-(
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A team doesn't function if the management put 'bad' players on the team to train them up and the 'good' players refuse to play him. On every team good players play worse players because of future benefits.
During the time ret was in the house surely some Dream league player had a match vs a zerg and there was no zerg opponent available at that immediate moment. Yet they completely refused to play him.
And apparently he was banned from those in-game tournaments/leagues all teams have. There was one going on in one of those videos. And we know estro stopped those tournaments specifically so players weren't forced to play Idra. Now they just outright banned ret from them, it seems.
Not to mention ret has beaten these estro players in the past.
It's either an internal power struggle or just racism.
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Its stuff like this I wish SuperDanielMan still coached eStro. He'll never discriminate against Ret.
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On December 28 2009 03:30 Xiphos wrote:
Its stuff like this I wish SuperDanielMan still coached eStro. He'll never discriminate against Ret.
No, Daniel was a coach when Idra was on estro. He didn't help.
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On December 28 2009 03:30 Xiphos wrote:
Its stuff like this I wish SuperDanielMan still coached eStro. He'll never discriminate against Ret.
Yeah, I'm sorry about the "entitlement" stuff I wrote earlier. This really does sound pretty racist and ret is clearly being treated unfairly. I thought the argument was him playing against the top-tier players, but that's I get for jumping to conclusions.
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