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cz
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3249 Posts
December 27 2009 18:37 GMT
#561
So what's the root cause, racism? I mean ret had the replay scandal, but did players play him before that? And what about Idra, he never had any scandal. But then why Nony? Because of Duke? Socio-economic stature high enough to overcome his whiteness?

I'm just speculating, but I mean there are only really one big thing that separates Idra/ret from other random koreans trying to get licenses while playing others.
Zozma
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1626 Posts
December 27 2009 18:42 GMT
#562
Being in a progaming house DOES mean that you're entitled to practice with the other players on the team. That's simply the definition of "practice partner".


Do your best, ret...
Zozma
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1626 Posts
December 27 2009 18:43 GMT
#563
On December 28 2009 03:37 cz wrote:
So what's the root cause, racism? I mean ret had the replay scandal, but did players play him before that? And what about Idra, he never had any scandal. But then why Nony? Because of Duke? Socio-economic stature high enough to overcome his whiteness?

I'm just speculating, but I mean there are only really one big thing that separates Idra/ret from other random koreans trying to get licenses while playing others.
NonY came within one game of winning Courage on his first try, so that probably had something to do with it.
cz
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3249 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-27 18:45:54
December 27 2009 18:44 GMT
#564
On December 28 2009 03:43 Zozma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 28 2009 03:37 cz wrote:
So what's the root cause, racism? I mean ret had the replay scandal, but did players play him before that? And what about Idra, he never had any scandal. But then why Nony? Because of Duke? Socio-economic stature high enough to overcome his whiteness?

I'm just speculating, but I mean there are only really one big thing that separates Idra/ret from other random koreans trying to get licenses while playing others.
NonY came within one game of winning Courage on his first try, so that probably had something to do with it.


Yeah I'm missing info though. Did eSTRO people play Idra and ret before their first courage try? What about for Nony? What about before the ret replay scandal thing?

And, more to the point, does this ever happen to any korean of similar skill level?
Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7225 Posts
December 27 2009 19:15 GMT
#565
I dont know about the situation or pretend to but the vibe I get is that estro doesnt really want the nonkoreans in their house and some higher up is pulling strings to get them in or something.

Seems like a shitty situation. Im shocked that they seem to dislike nonkoreans so much. I know the players/coaches are young and in a competitive environment but you would think someone from another country would be interesting. Do they not try to teach the nonkoreans words or anything? I mean seriously youd think theyd at least be friendly.

Maybe some racism or xenophobia going on.

I myself find people from other countries/cultures fascinating.

How do you go from where you are to where you want to be? I think you have to have an enthusiasm for life. You have to have a dream, a goal and you have to be willing to work for it. Jim Valvano
zergpower123
Profile Joined December 2009
United States197 Posts
December 27 2009 19:25 GMT
#566
Look Ret might be new at Estro house but they could at least say hi and acknowledge him. Also why doesn't even one of them befriend Ret at least? Ret is probably the most LIKABLE GUY!

I don't expect the A players of Estro to ask Ret for a game but what about the suckier players? They could at least play Ret and see his skill level. In my opinion, Ret could have a good chance at beating these guys. They underestimate him.

Whole situation is awkward, that would be like me owning a football league and noticing on the net or in games that there is a certain person here who is good. I invite one of you to practice. How weird would it be if you showed up and noone practiced with you or said hi,etc. You just became a loner and all that? Thats frigging weird. How is someone suppose to get better?

The coach of Estro who seemed cool and even had Ret commentate on that video with the Estro guys playing could have said, "you go play Ret" "you go practice with Ret" etc
Liquid`Ret
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Netherlands4511 Posts
December 27 2009 19:26 GMT
#567
The estro coaches are actually very friendly. They didn't go out of their way to discriminate me, but they didn't go out of their way to help me either. It's just a huge culture difference. I have nothing against them. It just didn't work out w/ them, no hard feelings there.

I explained things because I was tired of people asking me how it was like in the estro house, and partly to make an excuse for my pityfull courage performance. But please don't turn this into an estro hate fest, because their coaches and especially the manager, hwanni, are very good people. It's partly my fault that things didn't work out as well.
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Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7225 Posts
December 27 2009 19:30 GMT
#568
what is the culture difference? Not submitting to their rigid caste system?
How do you go from where you are to where you want to be? I think you have to have an enthusiasm for life. You have to have a dream, a goal and you have to be willing to work for it. Jim Valvano
Intr3pid
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Switzerland336 Posts
December 27 2009 19:33 GMT
#569
If I could give you a piece of advice:

- You are young, even if the progamer-thing doesn't work out you clearly are an intelligent guy and can make it in other fields you pursue

- Clearly you are going through an emotionally slump right now. Gather your thoughts, clear your mind, decide what you are going to do and go with it.

- What doesn't kill you makes you stronger

- For the next courage (I hope you give it at least one more try) go in it with absolutely zere expectation and a "nothing to lose"-mentality. It makes you play more aggressively and relaxed, which is always good. I assume your poor performance at courage might be due to mental weaknesses since clearly your gameplay cannot be the reason.

- Best of success, you need no luck.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
December 27 2009 19:34 GMT
#570
ret from what you've said it sounds like your best bet is to destroy any pride and beg your way back into the estro house. Unless they molest you at night and gangrape you during the day I can't foresee anything that should stop you from becoming a progamer.
zerglingsfolife
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1694 Posts
December 27 2009 19:39 GMT
#571
In my management class, we talked about how other peoples doubt in you can be extremely motivating if you're confident. If those players, other people etc, don't think you're good enough, you can try to turn that into a me against the world mentality. That mentality has helped me in the past. If you think one of the problems is motivation, this can help keep you motivated.

I know I'm just another guy giving advice. Good Luck Ret. We'll support you no matter what you do.
Night gathers, and now my watch begins. It shall not end until my death. I shall take no wife, hold no lands, father no children. I shall wear no crown and win no glory. I shall live and die at my post. I am the sword in the darkness.
groro
Profile Joined March 2009
67 Posts
December 27 2009 19:55 GMT
#572
maybe ret you can also bypass some time by looking youtube videos like this:


if you want to and it if it might help you a bit to communicate in general.

but i agree with chill that people shouldnt judge or talk about ret or the situation like they know everything or got all the wisdom and know what is the best for him. its always a mixture of following your heart / dreams and doing in your eyes the most logical and rational steps. everybody most find the right mixture for himself. especially when you are already an adult and intelligent person as ret. we only can give hints or suggests things here and there.

i hope you find your way to come closer to your progaming dream. but even if you come for yourself to the decision its better to leave korea and go on with something different dont be to hard to yourself and even then it wouldnt be a waste imo. because you got that insight and gathered some new experience that not everybody gets and in this matter i also agree with that what a other person wrote here "- What doesn't kill you makes you stronger". anyways i wish you the best and our thoughts are with you.
Infested Terran
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
80 Posts
December 28 2009 10:20 GMT
#573
On December 27 2009 22:14 GTR wrote:
First of all there are 11 corporate teams running, not 10.

Each team can technically have an infinite amount of people living in their household, but for logistical reasons there is a limit to that.

Players who play at Courage are those who are currently classed as 'amateurs'. Some players however, may be living with these pro-teams as 'practice partners' which means they are usually better than any of the other amateurs playing at Courage.

I'm not really sure of the minute details of the bi-annual drafts, but I know that they have two reserved slots for their practice partners, and then three slots they can opt to use to draft whoever they felt performed well at the evaluation matches held before the draft.

The pool of players in Korea is finite, but there can only be so many 'good' players that it's really difficult for pro teams to pick out who is actually good and who are just simply bad.

Yes, Jaedong and Flash did go through Courage once in their careers. IIRC, Flash advanced in the 26th edition of Courage in late 2006. No idea about Jaedong, but I'm pretty sure it was early 2006.

To be honest.... the only players I know who were given the licenses from their pro-team were (P)Draco, (P)Pj and (P)Lx (I think), (T)IdrA and (Z)GosI[Season].


So it's 4 players per year per team (x 11 teams) + up to 3 playes (x11 teams) from the draft?
Draftees = people who already have the license? (Around 10 people who win the courage during a year + maybe people who won it earlier?).
I still dont understand how can the teams refresh their roosters so fast; 4 players per year is not much (I assume the draft gets ignored); I think it's super competitive.

In addition, if someone has a good practice partner he cant send him to courage, because if he wins it he can get drafted by another team?
I am strong, I am zerg, I am the future!
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
December 28 2009 10:25 GMT
#574
do what is best for you Ret
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
zerotol
Profile Joined August 2009
Belgium508 Posts
December 28 2009 10:52 GMT
#575
I think the younger people feel their own progamers dream shatter with Ret's.
Now i am become death, the destroyer of worlds
viewer
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada662 Posts
December 28 2009 11:10 GMT
#576
You held on as long as you could; dont feel bad about your perfomances, when the support systems dont exist who do you look to? Team liquid fans?(;p) Ret youre a monster alot of people admire you. I hope starcraft continues to be great for you. GL~
.risingdragoon
Profile Joined January 2008
United States3021 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-28 15:31:17
December 28 2009 15:28 GMT
#577
On December 28 2009 02:45 littlechava wrote:
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On December 28 2009 02:28 emucxg wrote:
Ok, I'm an anti-fan of eSTRO now

This. Fuck estro.

2 idiots, that's not even a problem out of the problemS. nor does it do ret any good.

dude ret:

weigh your options and make a choice, it's still technically for fun now. if it's me I'd stay for another month and try courage one more time. if it doesn't stick, it doesn't stick, but no way in hell would I let things go out in a whimper. make a fucking splash and go out loud and proud, if not as a pro then as something else. show up at estro after the courage match and be a good chum, genuinely thank everyone who helped, buy the team a cake or some shit.

Thank them for what they did, not what they didn't, and make them feel bad for being cold. After that party hardy, get smashed, maybe even commit a misdemeanor (lol you didn't hear me say that if you get arrested), then get back home and remember it fondly, instead of sadly.

cus that's what it's all about really.

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