EPTI'm just speculating, but I mean there are only really one big thing that separates Idra/ret from other random koreans trying to get licenses while playing others.
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cz
United States3249 Posts
I'm just speculating, but I mean there are only really one big thing that separates Idra/ret from other random koreans trying to get licenses while playing others. | ||
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Zozma
United States1626 Posts
Do your best, ret... | ||
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Zozma
United States1626 Posts
On December 28 2009 03:37 cz wrote: NonY came within one game of winning Courage on his first try, so that probably had something to do with it.So what's the root cause, racism? I mean ret had the replay scandal, but did players play him before that? And what about Idra, he never had any scandal. But then why Nony? Because of Duke? Socio-economic stature high enough to overcome his whiteness? I'm just speculating, but I mean there are only really one big thing that separates Idra/ret from other random koreans trying to get licenses while playing others. | ||
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cz
United States3249 Posts
On December 28 2009 03:43 Zozma wrote: NonY came within one game of winning Courage on his first try, so that probably had something to do with it. Yeah I'm missing info though. Did eSTRO people play Idra and ret before their first courage try? What about for Nony? What about before the ret replay scandal thing? And, more to the point, does this ever happen to any korean of similar skill level? | ||
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Sadist
United States7290 Posts
Seems like a shitty situation. Im shocked that they seem to dislike nonkoreans so much. I know the players/coaches are young and in a competitive environment but you would think someone from another country would be interesting. Do they not try to teach the nonkoreans words or anything? I mean seriously youd think theyd at least be friendly. Maybe some racism or xenophobia going on. I myself find people from other countries/cultures fascinating. | ||
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zergpower123
United States197 Posts
I don't expect the A players of Estro to ask Ret for a game but what about the suckier players? They could at least play Ret and see his skill level. In my opinion, Ret could have a good chance at beating these guys. They underestimate him. Whole situation is awkward, that would be like me owning a football league and noticing on the net or in games that there is a certain person here who is good. I invite one of you to practice. How weird would it be if you showed up and noone practiced with you or said hi,etc. You just became a loner and all that? Thats frigging weird. How is someone suppose to get better? The coach of Estro who seemed cool and even had Ret commentate on that video with the Estro guys playing could have said, "you go play Ret" "you go practice with Ret" etc | ||
Liquid`Ret
Netherlands4511 Posts
I explained things because I was tired of people asking me how it was like in the estro house, and partly to make an excuse for my pityfull courage performance. But please don't turn this into an estro hate fest, because their coaches and especially the manager, hwanni, are very good people. It's partly my fault that things didn't work out as well. | ||
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Sadist
United States7290 Posts
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Intr3pid
Switzerland336 Posts
- You are young, even if the progamer-thing doesn't work out you clearly are an intelligent guy and can make it in other fields you pursue - Clearly you are going through an emotionally slump right now. Gather your thoughts, clear your mind, decide what you are going to do and go with it. - What doesn't kill you makes you stronger - For the next courage (I hope you give it at least one more try) go in it with absolutely zere expectation and a "nothing to lose"-mentality. It makes you play more aggressively and relaxed, which is always good. I assume your poor performance at courage might be due to mental weaknesses since clearly your gameplay cannot be the reason. - Best of success, you need no luck. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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zerglingsfolife
United States1694 Posts
I know I'm just another guy giving advice. Good Luck Ret. We'll support you no matter what you do. | ||
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groro
67 Posts
if you want to and it if it might help you a bit to communicate in general. but i agree with chill that people shouldnt judge or talk about ret or the situation like they know everything or got all the wisdom and know what is the best for him. its always a mixture of following your heart / dreams and doing in your eyes the most logical and rational steps. everybody most find the right mixture for himself. especially when you are already an adult and intelligent person as ret. we only can give hints or suggests things here and there. i hope you find your way to come closer to your progaming dream. but even if you come for yourself to the decision its better to leave korea and go on with something different dont be to hard to yourself and even then it wouldnt be a waste imo. because you got that insight and gathered some new experience that not everybody gets and in this matter i also agree with that what a other person wrote here "- What doesn't kill you makes you stronger". anyways i wish you the best and our thoughts are with you. | ||
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Infested Terran
80 Posts
On December 27 2009 22:14 GTR wrote: First of all there are 11 corporate teams running, not 10. Each team can technically have an infinite amount of people living in their household, but for logistical reasons there is a limit to that. Players who play at Courage are those who are currently classed as 'amateurs'. Some players however, may be living with these pro-teams as 'practice partners' which means they are usually better than any of the other amateurs playing at Courage. I'm not really sure of the minute details of the bi-annual drafts, but I know that they have two reserved slots for their practice partners, and then three slots they can opt to use to draft whoever they felt performed well at the evaluation matches held before the draft. The pool of players in Korea is finite, but there can only be so many 'good' players that it's really difficult for pro teams to pick out who is actually good and who are just simply bad. Yes, Jaedong and Flash did go through Courage once in their careers. IIRC, Flash advanced in the 26th edition of Courage in late 2006. No idea about Jaedong, but I'm pretty sure it was early 2006. To be honest.... the only players I know who were given the licenses from their pro-team were  Draco, Pj and Lx (I think),  IdrA and  GosI[Season].So it's 4 players per year per team (x 11 teams) + up to 3 playes (x11 teams) from the draft? Draftees = people who already have the license? (Around 10 people who win the courage during a year + maybe people who won it earlier?). I still dont understand how can the teams refresh their roosters so fast; 4 players per year is not much (I assume the draft gets ignored); I think it's super competitive. In addition, if someone has a good practice partner he cant send him to courage, because if he wins it he can get drafted by another team? | ||
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Geo.Rion
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Canada662 Posts
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.risingdragoon
United States3021 Posts
2 idiots, that's not even a problem out of the problemS. nor does it do ret any good. dude ret: weigh your options and make a choice, it's still technically for fun now. if it's me I'd stay for another month and try courage one more time. if it doesn't stick, it doesn't stick, but no way in hell would I let things go out in a whimper. make a fucking splash and go out loud and proud, if not as a pro then as something else. show up at estro after the courage match and be a good chum, genuinely thank everyone who helped, buy the team a cake or some shit. Thank them for what they did, not what they didn't, and make them feel bad for being cold. After that party hardy, get smashed, maybe even commit a misdemeanor (lol you didn't hear me say that if you get arrested), then get back home and remember it fondly, instead of sadly. cus that's what it's all about really. | ||
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