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kulik-
Czech Republic305 Posts
On December 28 2009 02:38 zergpower123 wrote: Perhaps Idra could pull some strings and ask if CJ wants a good foreign zerg. He is kind of established so perhaps you can give the coach or what not of CJ a good word about Ret. even if he ask no chance imo ret is old | ||
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Vequeth
United Kingdom1116 Posts
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Puosu
6990 Posts
I'm starting to think that age isn't as big of a factor as it is often in the SC scene thought to be, many of the great Quake players are a lot older than SC players and Quake is a lot more demanding when it comes to reflexes or quick movement and what not. Ret just turned on his stream btw. practicing some muta micro it seems! | ||
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Skeggaba
Korea (South)1556 Posts
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DeViOuS
United States22 Posts
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IntoTheWow
is awesome32277 Posts
If you can stay with Artosis for some more time, stay until TSL is over. Your chances there are good and you can practice just for it. If you get a top spot, you get quite a good amount of money to either come back if you feel burned out or keep playing some more time. When is the next courage? in 1 or 2 months? Might have time to play one more time or maybe two while doing TSL. | ||
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littlechava
United States7221 Posts
On December 28 2009 02:28 emucxg wrote: Ok, I'm an anti-fan of eSTRO now This. Fuck estro. | ||
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lac29
United States1485 Posts
On December 28 2009 02:42 Puosu wrote: I'm starting to think that age isn't as big of a factor as it is often in the SC scene thought to be, many of the great Quake players are a lot older than SC players and Quake is a lot more demanding when it comes to reflexes or quick movement and what not. Ret just turned on his stream btw. practicing some muta micro it seems! I dunno about the Quake pro scene but I doubt they have that many young players challenging the older ones ... thus the old pros are still good after so many years I assume. | ||
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MuscLe
United States29 Posts
On December 28 2009 02:37 Jayson X wrote: It's still strange how some people think one can go over there and be the next flash in under a year. This. No offense to Ret but it seems like he is leaving because he has failed twice now and is giving up. Which, he isn't use to failure. People hyped him up so much that the community got him thinking that he should be good as flash in 2 months. Only if he didnt give up, he would be really good in time. Too bad. =[ | ||
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[GiTM]-Ace
United States4935 Posts
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InToTheWannaB
United States4770 Posts
. Its ok Ret we all still love ya  Hope everything works out and fuck estro  | ||
CTStalker
Canada9720 Posts
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kulik-
Czech Republic305 Posts
On December 28 2009 02:52 lac29 wrote: I dunno about the Quake pro scene but I doubt they have that many young players challenging the older ones ... thus the old pros are still good after so many years I assume. exactly in quake there is not such a big competion such as in bw imo | ||
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yhnmk
Canada630 Posts
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Puosu
6990 Posts
On December 28 2009 03:01 kulik- wrote: exactly in quake there is not such a big competion such as in bw imo My point was more about that if a 25+ year old Quake player can do those insane reflex shots and things like that, I doubt there's anything in BW that is more mechanically demanding and thus couldn't be done by a older person. | ||
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Shengster
United States167 Posts
Whoa, hold on a minute. Do you expect eSTRO to just give him a pro-gaming license? What has ret done so far to actually deserve it? Coming in to Korea, he was an unproven commodity. These two showings at courage (getting knocked out of the first round) certainly doesn't help his reputation. You have to realize there are many other korean amateurs who are more talented and younger than him. From this perspective, I don't expect eSTRO nor any other pro-gaming team to pick him up. You might as well hate them all. It's great that pro-gaming is ret's dream, but the reality of it is that many fail and only a select few actually go on to fame and fortune. Being a foreigner in Korea already has inherent disadvantages. You don't know the language, culture, and living environment. Past a certain point, you really have to ask yourself whether this is the lifestyle you want to lead (especially if you aren't successful). | ||
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littlechava
United States7221 Posts
On December 28 2009 03:04 Shengster wrote: I don't expect eSTRO nor any other pro-gaming team to pick him up. You might as well hate them all. Nah, I'll just hate estro. | ||
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yhnmk
Canada630 Posts
On December 28 2009 03:04 Shengster wrote: Wtf? Did you actually just decide to not fucking read the thread yet still run your mouth? Estro, for the second KNOWN time has not PRACTICED with their foreign players. They brought idra in, the players refused to practice with him, the coaches did nothing. They brought ret in, same deal. Who knows what happened to nony. This isnt a matter of estro not giving him his license, its a matter of them reneging on their obligations. They brought him onto the team as a practice partner so he could develop, get his license, etc. They have done nothing to actually help that. Bringing in foreigners is clearly nothing more than publicity stunt to them.Whoa, hold on a minute. Do you expect eSTRO to just give him a pro-gaming license? What has ret done so far to actually deserve it? Coming in to Korea, he was an unproven commodity. These two showings at courage (getting knocked out of the first round) certainly doesn't help his reputation. You have to realize there are many other korean amateurs who are more talented and younger than him. From this perspective, I don't expect eSTRO nor any other pro-gaming team to pick him up. You might as well hate them all. It's great that pro-gaming is ret's dream, but the reality of it is that many fail and only a select few actually go on to fame and fortune. Being a foreigner in Korea already has inherent disadvantages. You don't know the language, culture, and living environment. Past a certain point, you really have to ask yourself whether this is the lifestyle you want to lead (especially if you aren't successful). I'm still rooting for ret to do well, but maybe it's time to make the best of this, enjoy the time in Korea, and go back to the Netherlands with an interesting story to share. So again, fuck estro, and fuck anyone who defends them. | ||
tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On December 28 2009 03:04 Shengster wrote: Whoa, hold on a minute. Do you expect eSTRO to just give him a pro-gaming license? What has ret done so far to actually deserve it? Coming in to Korea, he was an unproven commodity. These two showings at courage (getting knocked out of the first round) certainly doesn't help his reputation. You have to realize there are many other korean amateurs who are more talented and younger than him. From this perspective, I don't expect eSTRO nor any other pro-gaming team to pick him up. You might as well hate them all. It's great that pro-gaming is ret's dream, but the reality of it is that many fail and only a select few actually go on to fame and fortune. Being a foreigner in Korea already has inherent disadvantages. You don't know the language, culture, and living environment. Past a certain point, you really have to ask yourself whether this is the lifestyle you want to lead (especially if you aren't successful). Didn't read the thread did you? People are unhappy because eSTRO players refused to even practice with Ret. We all know Ret has to earn his license. | ||
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lac29
United States1485 Posts
On December 28 2009 03:04 Shengster wrote: Whoa, hold on a minute. Do you expect eSTRO to just give him a pro-gaming license? What has ret done so far to actually deserve it? Coming in to Korea, he was an unproven commodity. These two showings at courage (getting knocked out of the first round) certainly doesn't help his reputation. You have to realize there are many other korean amateurs who are more talented and younger than him. From this perspective, I don't expect eSTRO nor any other pro-gaming team to pick him up. You might as well hate them all. It's great that pro-gaming is ret's dream, but the reality of it is that many fail and only a select few actually go on to fame and fortune. Being a foreigner in Korea already has inherent disadvantages. You don't know the language, culture, and living environment. Past a certain point, you really have to ask yourself whether this is the lifestyle you want to lead (especially if you aren't successful). Agreed, there are so many Koreans who fail on becoming pro-SC players ... it just makes it that much harder for ret to do so. I don't think TLers really fully realize how many FAILED progamers there are. Edit: To the person above ... put yourself in an ESTRO player's position ... who wants to play against someone that might be cheating? | ||
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