[Interview] Ever OSL 2009, RO8 Day 1 - Page 5

On December 19 2009 12:52 Xxio wrote:


Notice how it was Flash who said that.

On December 19 2009 15:54 darktreb wrote:


Flash probably meant for one of HIS group stage matches - so that kind of wouldn't include all the stuff from 3+ years ago.

On December 18 2009 19:41 Waxangel wrote:
Q: You have a match vs Bisu tomorrow.
A: I think he’s the best PvZ player. I think I was lucky when we last met, so I’m preparing hard for this meeting. I think it’s going to be a difficult duel, but Zerg vs Protoss is so favorable for zerg these days that I think I can win.

On December 20 2009 00:16 Emlary wrote:


Though your name is Shine, it doesn't mean you're really shining. You're nowhere near Protoss-destroyer.

On December 20 2009 02:24 Waxangel wrote:
if Zero gets his shit together, I expect him to be able to take a game at least vs Flash, tho not win the series.

On December 19 2009 16:45 Xxio wrote:


why don't you ask him and get back to me, until then we can assume he meant what he said

On December 20 2009 04:15 darktreb wrote:


Are you serious? This was a translation first of all. It obviously wasn't the biggest Starleague crowd he'd ever seen because every finals crowd is like 10x bigger. So clearly there were some implications built in to his statement. I can't believe you're taking a translation and saying "let's just take it word for word and turn off our brains".

On December 20 2009 02:05 dukethegold wrote:
Flash did not just win, he raped the Dong. He made the Dong look like a no name Zerg.

If Shine somehow knocks Stork out of the tournament, I severely doubt anyone remaining in the two Starleagues is even remotely capable of challenging Flash in a BOX series.

On December 20 2009 07:20 lone_hydra wrote:



Flash's TvZ is very very good. But as shown by the Zero and Hyun game, its not invincible and it gets less invincible as the days grow since he uses the same strat. Every zerg remaining has the capabilities to watch his replays and prepare themselves enough to put up a damn good challenge to Flash's TvZ.

On December 20 2009 07:20 lone_hydra wrote:
There are 3 people who are in both tournaments. And they are all fighting each other or at least not to get knocked out by Flash



Flash's TvZ is very very good. But as shown by the Zero and Hyun game, its not invincible and it gets less invincible as the days grow since he uses the same strat. Every zerg remaining has the capabilities to watch his replays and prepare themselves enough to put up a damn good challenge to Flash's TvZ.

On December 20 2009 07:42 dukethegold wrote:


Nope. Flash lost his game against Hyun because he made a very silly mistake at the beginning. He did not make a turret next to his mineral line. Due to that, he lost like, what, 15 scv to muta. If he placed just that one more turret, he would have won. I am sure he won't make the same mistake ever again.

But what's fricking amazing about Flash v.s. Hyun is that despite Hyun gain such an overwhelming upperhand at the beginning of the match, and had double the economy and double of the army over Flash, Flash stayed alive in the game until he was completely mined out. His TvZ is unreal. It is safely to start calling FvZ now.

Face it, no Zerg in existence is capable of taking a BOX series from Flash. Dong was the only Zerg left with a chance and he got raped hard. It was just one game, yes, but it wasn't even close.

Also, what strategy are you talking about? Flash won his game against Jaedong by denying Jaedong's third gas. If that is the strategy that you are talking about, show me couple more games from recent times when he won using the exact same strategy. I don't think out-micro, out-macro, out-play, and out-starsense count as strategy. This is like Iloveoov domination. It's just pure skill, there is no gimmicks, there is nothing you can do about it.

On December 20 2009 07:59 lone_hydra wrote:


Wow,super fanboy alert. He goes this build every time zerg 12 hatchs. barracks, cc, bunker at natural, then medics marines. Alot of turrets in natural, turrets surrounding outskirts of main with medic and marine protecting if he scans mutas. Then he goes for the infamous terran ball push while doing a good job of denying third. he sits on 2 bases for quite a while until he is sure he has map control and expands.

Flash did not make a mistake in not building turrets in main min line vs Hyun. He almost never does, because he feels he could intimidate the opponent from going into his main with turrets outside and marines inside. No zergs would want to see all those turrets on the outskirts and marines of the main then go in towards the main min line to find more turrets and get trapped between turrets and marine fire. Hyun watched Flash's replays and realized thats what Flash wanted him to think and called Flash's bluff. It was not that impressive to see a progamer survive that long in that situation either. You are macroing off of 2 almost mined out bases so it does not take that much APM to micro well vs a guy who is macroing of of 6 bases.

I'm not saying his BO and strategy is bad, if it works keep on doing it. But eventually the zergs will be practiced enough against Flash's strat. just like what happened to Bisu build.

On December 20 2009 07:59 lone_hydra wrote:


Wow,super fanboy alert. He goes this build every time zerg 12 hatchs. barracks, cc, bunker at natural, then medics marines. Alot of turrets in natural, turrets surrounding outskirts of main with medic and marine protecting if he scans mutas. Then he goes for the infamous terran ball push while doing a good job of denying third. he sits on 2 bases for quite a while until he is sure he has map control and expands.

Flash did not make a mistake in not building turrets in main min line vs Hyun. He almost never does, because he feels he could intimidate the opponent from going into his main with turrets outside and marines inside. No zergs would want to see all those turrets on the outskirts and marines of the main then go in towards the main min line to find more turrets and get trapped between turrets and marine fire. Hyun watched Flash's replays and realized thats what Flash wanted him to think and called Flash's bluff. It was not that impressive to see a progamer survive that long in that situation either. You are macroing off of 2 almost mined out bases so it does not take that much APM to micro well vs a guy who is macroing of of 6 bases.

I'm not saying his BO and strategy is bad, if it works keep on doing it. But eventually the zergs will be practiced enough against Flash's strat. just like what happened to Bisu build.