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l10f
United States3241 Posts
Fine. I will PM every coach right now. I will count the votes of those that respond by tomorrow.
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On December 11 2009 10:37 l10f wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2009 10:35 SoulSeeker wrote:On December 11 2009 10:31 Saracen wrote:
Whatever. The most important thing is that l10f has to make a decision and have that decision be final. No bitching/whining/complaining/arguing/etc. Didn't l10f already make the decision to let storr in and then everybody started bitching/whining/complaining/arguing about it? I was wrong in doing that. I should have discussed with the people first. As I said in my previous post, I'm really sorry. Show nested quote +On December 11 2009 10:37 mark05 wrote:
wow that really sux l10f im sorry but really thats sucks
i really think u made a wrong decision
and im majoring in something that would translate in event management in english( i know the name program in french).
wut whatever i still hope u the best of luck for this leageu a look forward for season 2 if it lives to see another day I wish you luck. Maybe you'll learn to spell u "you". Show nested quote +On December 11 2009 10:36 RaptorX wrote:On December 11 2009 10:32 StorrZerg wrote:On December 11 2009 10:26 Saracen wrote:
When I speak against bending the rules, I speak from experience (Liquid Kickball League). I did the exact thing you and everyone else seems to be advocating right now - just try it out, and if it works, it works. If it doesn't, then... then what? Well, we found out, didn't we?
Rules are there for a reason, just like deadlines and due dates. Without rules, it's impossible to get this many people to cohesively function together.
If you are starting a new league, you have to make it seem like a well-established league for it to succeed, NOT like a new league. People need to feel that it's going to work in order for it to work. You can't go around switching up rules just to accommodate certain people and being all experimental. We don't have admins or mods to help keep people in line. All we have is trust and the rules. The league is still being set up, it would be wrong to bend the rules mid season. Rules are also meant to be changed, look at the us constitution, you ever hear of amendments? They changed the rules. Your taking this all way to cut throat, its a friendly D lvl league, not some high level league where every thing needs to be placed out and perfect. well there is the problem... We want it to go on and become that "high level league" that you are talking about. and yes l10f, esx_raptor and me are trying to make it as professional as possible... granting you guys having selected players while the other 14 teams didnt have that chance is not professional OR fair. Actually, I don't agree with this post 100%. I don't want to make it as professional as possible, I just don't want to take a risk of this ONE season failing.
lol I am sorry i tried to type fast since i have a paper to give tomorrow so Im doing multiple things at the same time... and be tolerant not everyone is and english native around here
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On December 11 2009 10:40 l10f wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2009 10:38 DejaVu119 wrote:
you know this is kinda funny. there is this much anger over having TOO MANY interested and guaranteed active people. just wait until no shows start popping up and the 30 minute grace period becomes an issue... this really should be a non-issue in comparison. i can GUARANTEE we would actually be active throughout the season. I fear for that as well.
well, that is the major issue of leagues without money rewards, things run based on the interest people show. We hope to see another day though, this event seems that will be lots of fun and lots of people will learn, so why not taking that anger away and trying to help so it really takes off, be a good event, and then have much more of those in the future?
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l10f
United States3241 Posts
On December 11 2009 10:42 Xenocide_Knight wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2009 10:30 RaptorX wrote:
in simple words that everybody will understand:
teams 13 and 14 did NOT bend any rules... they were selected random as all the other teams as far as I know.
There was no rule about the maximum number of teams, we just didnt have enough coaches.
The problem with 15 and 16 is the request of the coaches to train specific D players when there is almost 150 people wanting to enter and not being able.
It doesnt matter what one of the guys is saying that "in irc they all agree on creating the 15/16 even if it bends the rules"... I am telling you that there are 150 people who are against it, here in the thread or in op CPL which is where it matters, and personally I think that yeah we can create 15/16 if and only if their players are selected randomly as we did with the other teams.
This is the season that matters the most and I think we should do EVERYTHING in our power to make it succeed and if that means that we wont create 15/16 bending the rules then thats how is going to be. TEAM 16 doesn't have ANY Players the coach requested. it's ALL random. I'm taking myself out of team 16 if need be.
As I've told you, your team is not the problem. It is StorrZerg's team that people are arguing about.
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On December 11 2009 10:42 Xenocide_Knight wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2009 10:39 RaptorX wrote:
the rules said only 12 teams, adding 13 and 14 was bending the rules "that rule"
they did follow how the teams where set up and race and skill distrubution.
there was no such a rule... at the beginning he wanted to do 12 or MORE if there was enough coaches, but there werent. and yes THAT is the problem that they did follow the random selection and race and skill distribution... your team dont want to be randomly selected and people are complaining... 150 of them... TEAM 16 doesn't have ANY Players the coach requested. it's ALL random. I'm taking myself out of team 16 if need be.
Then I agree that we make team 16... I dont have any problems as long as it has no "special" treatment...
when you guys start having special treatment then all the other people will want their share... thats my position in this issue.
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On December 11 2009 10:42 SoulSeeker wrote:
Why don't we have a vote with the coaches?
Personally i think the problem is not with the coaches... the problem is with the people who wants to play but wouldnt have a chance to participate because we "preselected" 6 players.
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On December 11 2009 10:44 l10f wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2009 10:42 Xenocide_Knight wrote:On December 11 2009 10:30 RaptorX wrote:
in simple words that everybody will understand:
teams 13 and 14 did NOT bend any rules... they were selected random as all the other teams as far as I know.
There was no rule about the maximum number of teams, we just didnt have enough coaches.
The problem with 15 and 16 is the request of the coaches to train specific D players when there is almost 150 people wanting to enter and not being able.
It doesnt matter what one of the guys is saying that "in irc they all agree on creating the 15/16 even if it bends the rules"... I am telling you that there are 150 people who are against it, here in the thread or in op CPL which is where it matters, and personally I think that yeah we can create 15/16 if and only if their players are selected randomly as we did with the other teams.
This is the season that matters the most and I think we should do EVERYTHING in our power to make it succeed and if that means that we wont create 15/16 bending the rules then thats how is going to be. TEAM 16 doesn't have ANY Players the coach requested. it's ALL random. I'm taking myself out of team 16 if need be. As I've told you, your team is not the problem. It is StorrZerg's team that people are arguing about.
OK jesus,
Just because Storrzerg can't accept that he can't have it exactly the way he wants it to, why are 6 people (plus two coaches) being penalized
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On December 11 2009 10:48 Xenocide_Knight wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2009 10:44 l10f wrote:On December 11 2009 10:42 Xenocide_Knight wrote:On December 11 2009 10:30 RaptorX wrote:
in simple words that everybody will understand:
teams 13 and 14 did NOT bend any rules... they were selected random as all the other teams as far as I know.
There was no rule about the maximum number of teams, we just didnt have enough coaches.
The problem with 15 and 16 is the request of the coaches to train specific D players when there is almost 150 people wanting to enter and not being able.
It doesnt matter what one of the guys is saying that "in irc they all agree on creating the 15/16 even if it bends the rules"... I am telling you that there are 150 people who are against it, here in the thread or in op CPL which is where it matters, and personally I think that yeah we can create 15/16 if and only if their players are selected randomly as we did with the other teams.
This is the season that matters the most and I think we should do EVERYTHING in our power to make it succeed and if that means that we wont create 15/16 bending the rules then thats how is going to be. TEAM 16 doesn't have ANY Players the coach requested. it's ALL random. I'm taking myself out of team 16 if need be. As I've told you, your team is not the problem. It is StorrZerg's team that people are arguing about. OK jesus, Just because Storrzerg can't accept that he can't have it exactly the way he wants it to, why are 6 people (plus two coaches) being penalized
Sorry but i was told by the op that my team was fine and it was being added, sorry that i'm trying to fight the change of decision?
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On December 11 2009 10:48 Xenocide_Knight wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2009 10:44 l10f wrote:On December 11 2009 10:42 Xenocide_Knight wrote:On December 11 2009 10:30 RaptorX wrote:
in simple words that everybody will understand:
teams 13 and 14 did NOT bend any rules... they were selected random as all the other teams as far as I know.
There was no rule about the maximum number of teams, we just didnt have enough coaches.
The problem with 15 and 16 is the request of the coaches to train specific D players when there is almost 150 people wanting to enter and not being able.
It doesnt matter what one of the guys is saying that "in irc they all agree on creating the 15/16 even if it bends the rules"... I am telling you that there are 150 people who are against it, here in the thread or in op CPL which is where it matters, and personally I think that yeah we can create 15/16 if and only if their players are selected randomly as we did with the other teams.
This is the season that matters the most and I think we should do EVERYTHING in our power to make it succeed and if that means that we wont create 15/16 bending the rules then thats how is going to be. TEAM 16 doesn't have ANY Players the coach requested. it's ALL random. I'm taking myself out of team 16 if need be. As I've told you, your team is not the problem. It is StorrZerg's team that people are arguing about. OK jesus, Just because Storrzerg can't accept that he can't have it exactly the way he wants it to, why are 6 people (plus two coaches) being penalized
what do you mean?
we are not peanlizing anybody... the problem would be that then the teams wouldnt be even and the league would be harder to manage, as far as i know.
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l10f
United States3241 Posts
Alright I pmed every coach.
Please understand that I can't wait any longer than end of tomorrow for the votes to arrive.
I'm going to cool my head off for a bit.
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On December 11 2009 10:54 l10f wrote:
Alright I pmed every coach.
Please understand that I can't wait any longer than end of tomorrow for the votes to arrive.
I'm going to cool my head off for a bit.
I wish this wasn't so stressful for you I10f. =\
Thanks for dealing with all this.
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On December 11 2009 10:49 RaptorX wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2009 10:48 Xenocide_Knight wrote:On December 11 2009 10:44 l10f wrote:On December 11 2009 10:42 Xenocide_Knight wrote:On December 11 2009 10:30 RaptorX wrote:
in simple words that everybody will understand:
teams 13 and 14 did NOT bend any rules... they were selected random as all the other teams as far as I know.
There was no rule about the maximum number of teams, we just didnt have enough coaches.
The problem with 15 and 16 is the request of the coaches to train specific D players when there is almost 150 people wanting to enter and not being able.
It doesnt matter what one of the guys is saying that "in irc they all agree on creating the 15/16 even if it bends the rules"... I am telling you that there are 150 people who are against it, here in the thread or in op CPL which is where it matters, and personally I think that yeah we can create 15/16 if and only if their players are selected randomly as we did with the other teams.
This is the season that matters the most and I think we should do EVERYTHING in our power to make it succeed and if that means that we wont create 15/16 bending the rules then thats how is going to be. TEAM 16 doesn't have ANY Players the coach requested. it's ALL random. I'm taking myself out of team 16 if need be. As I've told you, your team is not the problem. It is StorrZerg's team that people are arguing about. OK jesus, Just because Storrzerg can't accept that he can't have it exactly the way he wants it to, why are 6 people (plus two coaches) being penalized what do you mean? we are not peanlizing anybody... the problem would be that then the teams wouldnt be even and the league would be harder to manage, as far as i know.
umm
my entire team 16 is being bunched with team 15. and therefore being cut purely because of team 15.
Also, i'm pretty sure having 14 teams is harder to manage than 12. but they were accepted
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On December 11 2009 10:58 frozenkatkiller wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2009 10:54 l10f wrote:
Alright I pmed every coach.
Please understand that I can't wait any longer than end of tomorrow for the votes to arrive.
I'm going to cool my head off for a bit. I wish this wasn't so stressful for you I10f. =\ Thanks for dealing with all this.
it wouldn't be so stressful if he kept to his original decision.
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On December 11 2009 10:59 Xenocide_Knight wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2009 10:49 RaptorX wrote:On December 11 2009 10:48 Xenocide_Knight wrote:On December 11 2009 10:44 l10f wrote:On December 11 2009 10:42 Xenocide_Knight wrote:On December 11 2009 10:30 RaptorX wrote:
in simple words that everybody will understand:
teams 13 and 14 did NOT bend any rules... they were selected random as all the other teams as far as I know.
There was no rule about the maximum number of teams, we just didnt have enough coaches.
The problem with 15 and 16 is the request of the coaches to train specific D players when there is almost 150 people wanting to enter and not being able.
It doesnt matter what one of the guys is saying that "in irc they all agree on creating the 15/16 even if it bends the rules"... I am telling you that there are 150 people who are against it, here in the thread or in op CPL which is where it matters, and personally I think that yeah we can create 15/16 if and only if their players are selected randomly as we did with the other teams.
This is the season that matters the most and I think we should do EVERYTHING in our power to make it succeed and if that means that we wont create 15/16 bending the rules then thats how is going to be. TEAM 16 doesn't have ANY Players the coach requested. it's ALL random. I'm taking myself out of team 16 if need be. As I've told you, your team is not the problem. It is StorrZerg's team that people are arguing about. OK jesus, Just because Storrzerg can't accept that he can't have it exactly the way he wants it to, why are 6 people (plus two coaches) being penalized what do you mean? we are not peanlizing anybody... the problem would be that then the teams wouldnt be even and the league would be harder to manage, as far as i know. umm my entire team 16 is being bunched with team 15. and therefore being cut purely because of team 15. Also, i'm pretty sure having 14 teams is harder to manage than 12. but they were accepted
13 would be harder to work with... if there was any problems with team 13 or 14 I think we wouldnt have added them... they went smoothly and there they are.
right now, storrzerg is asking for something and l10f granted it without consulting it. Now when other people know about it some agree and some dont. I dont agree since I personally believe is not fair to the other 150 players.
and if his team cant enter then the teams would be odds... so how would you deal with 15 groups for a tournament?
On December 11 2009 11:00 SoulSeeker wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2009 10:58 frozenkatkiller wrote:On December 11 2009 10:54 l10f wrote:
Alright I pmed every coach.
Please understand that I can't wait any longer than end of tomorrow for the votes to arrive.
I'm going to cool my head off for a bit. I wish this wasn't so stressful for you I10f. =\ Thanks for dealing with all this. it wouldn't be so stressful if he kept to his original decision.
It is basically true, but you havent answer me... why does it has to be those 6 people in particular and not 6 from the other 150 people who are there before them?
I guess the main issue here was that l10f agreed without thinking it through or checking our opinions first, he has more power in decision than any of us but there is the popular vote, and if the other coaches dont agree then I think he will have to go with that because this issue can cause some instability in the league and I really dont want that.
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l10f
United States3241 Posts
Can we stop arguing? I've asked the coaches.
6-3 in favor of StorrZerg so far.
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Yeah go take a break I10f, all this drama is a bit ott 
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On December 11 2009 11:04 RaptorX wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2009 10:59 Xenocide_Knight wrote:On December 11 2009 10:49 RaptorX wrote:On December 11 2009 10:48 Xenocide_Knight wrote:On December 11 2009 10:44 l10f wrote:On December 11 2009 10:42 Xenocide_Knight wrote:On December 11 2009 10:30 RaptorX wrote:
in simple words that everybody will understand:
teams 13 and 14 did NOT bend any rules... they were selected random as all the other teams as far as I know.
There was no rule about the maximum number of teams, we just didnt have enough coaches.
The problem with 15 and 16 is the request of the coaches to train specific D players when there is almost 150 people wanting to enter and not being able.
It doesnt matter what one of the guys is saying that "in irc they all agree on creating the 15/16 even if it bends the rules"... I am telling you that there are 150 people who are against it, here in the thread or in op CPL which is where it matters, and personally I think that yeah we can create 15/16 if and only if their players are selected randomly as we did with the other teams.
This is the season that matters the most and I think we should do EVERYTHING in our power to make it succeed and if that means that we wont create 15/16 bending the rules then thats how is going to be. TEAM 16 doesn't have ANY Players the coach requested. it's ALL random. I'm taking myself out of team 16 if need be. As I've told you, your team is not the problem. It is StorrZerg's team that people are arguing about. OK jesus, Just because Storrzerg can't accept that he can't have it exactly the way he wants it to, why are 6 people (plus two coaches) being penalized what do you mean? we are not peanlizing anybody... the problem would be that then the teams wouldnt be even and the league would be harder to manage, as far as i know. umm my entire team 16 is being bunched with team 15. and therefore being cut purely because of team 15. Also, i'm pretty sure having 14 teams is harder to manage than 12. but they were accepted 13 would be harder to work with... if there was any problems with team 13 or 14 I think we wouldnt have added them... they went smoothly and there they are. right now, storrzerg is asking for something and l10f granted it without consulting it. Now when other people know about it some agree and some dont. I dont agree since I personally believe is not fair to the other 150 players. and if his team cant enter then the teams would be odds... so how would you deal with 15 groups for a tournament?
Its his league, he doesn't really need to consult with anyone.
again my players would have signed up just like everyone else if I was not told my team would be added.
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On December 11 2009 11:05 l10f wrote:
Can we stop arguing? I've asked the coaches.
6-3 in favor of StorrZerg so far.
Yea sorry, I was just a tad um... excited for this league and to get the OK and then get rejected again on iffy grounds was jarring to say the least.
All better now!
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On December 11 2009 11:00 SoulSeeker wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2009 10:58 frozenkatkiller wrote:On December 11 2009 10:54 l10f wrote:
Alright I pmed every coach.
Please understand that I can't wait any longer than end of tomorrow for the votes to arrive.
I'm going to cool my head off for a bit. I wish this wasn't so stressful for you I10f. =\ Thanks for dealing with all this. it wouldn't be so stressful if he kept to his original decision.
It wouldn't be so stressful if you accepted his decision.
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On December 11 2009 11:07 Red_Storm wrote:Yeah go take a break I10f, all this drama is a bit ott
damn right :/
Sorry for making your life a bit more stressful.
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