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JadeFist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States1225 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-16 16:56:59
December 16 2009 16:56 GMT
#401
How did ptz make 4 trades in one week? And no, he has not made any new trades, those are all from last week.
lynx.oblige
Profile Joined August 2009
Sierra Leone2268 Posts
December 16 2009 17:06 GMT
#402
On December 16 2009 20:30 FastEddieV wrote:
Killer's scored more points so far than Flash and Stork > >

And damn you Leta for picking R2 to get hot again. -22 is killing me, bro.


I agree. Leta on anti was murder. He was #1 for a while until the OZ match put Jaedong back up. Naturally, I traded Leta first thing when trades came up, lol.
Everyone needs a nemesis.
Oystein
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Norway1602 Posts
December 16 2009 19:47 GMT
#403
On December 15 2009 21:23 disciple wrote:
What I dont like about the current scoring system.

I have player A on my anti team. On the same day player A goes 0-2, losing his regular game and the ace match as well. According to the current system this will have no impact to his score, he will gain or lose 0 points, because he will -2 points for his regular loss, but +2 just because he played ace.

A player, going 0-2 on the same day, is clearly underperfoming, but this still has no reflection on the macro picture.

Its a big gamble to have a high price player on the anti. I picked Sea, and having in mind yesterdays match, my choice seems to be correct (I have a player, who lost twice in a single day, on my anti) but yet this doesnt get "rewarded".

My suggestion is just to have -2 for the ace match losses as well

Really agree with this, having Really on my anti team lose twice the same day and break even in points just sucks. This makes you just focus on players not playing (or at least not playing ace matches) like before even tho your intentions with the new system of them gaining you points was so people could look for players who would lose and earn from it.
God Hates a Coward
DrTJEckleburg
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States1080 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-16 19:59:58
December 16 2009 19:56 GMT
#404
On December 17 2009 04:47 Oystein wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2009 21:23 disciple wrote:
What I dont like about the current scoring system.

I have player A on my anti team. On the same day player A goes 0-2, losing his regular game and the ace match as well. According to the current system this will have no impact to his score, he will gain or lose 0 points, because he will -2 points for his regular loss, but +2 just because he played ace.

A player, going 0-2 on the same day, is clearly underperfoming, but this still has no reflection on the macro picture.

Its a big gamble to have a high price player on the anti. I picked Sea, and having in mind yesterdays match, my choice seems to be correct (I have a player, who lost twice in a single day, on my anti) but yet this doesnt get "rewarded".

My suggestion is just to have -2 for the ace match losses as well

Really agree with this, having Really on my anti team lose twice the same day and break even in points just sucks. This makes you just focus on players not playing (or at least not playing ace matches) like before even tho your intentions with the new system of them gaining you points was so people could look for players who would lose and earn from it.


I think in the original rule change there was a -2 loss for ace match losses but Hot_Bid and Abydos changed it to 0.

Yeah, found that quote, not that I'm helping with anything just demonstrating that it used to be the way you're suggesting, I guess.

On December 01 2009 12:41 IntoTheWow wrote:
I like the anti team changes.

I don't like the ace point changes. With the new system, someone who aces but loses gains zero points from it, while winner takes all.

This makes aces from strong teams (bisu, flash, jaedong, effort) even better. They were considered safe picks in the previous seasons and they will be even safer with the changes.


Hot_Bid wrote:
This is a good point, I talked it over with Abydos and we have adjusted the scoring so that Ace Loss = 0 (instead of -2).
Im pretty good at whistling with my hands, especially when Im holding a whistle.
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9071 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-16 20:43:24
December 16 2009 20:05 GMT
#405
its actually just the other way around. The current system made the ace players like Calm,Really, Effort and Sea safer to have. I agree completely on the point that Bisu/Jd/Flash might become overpowered but usually you can afford to have only one of them on your team, while owning Calm and say Really at the same time is much more likely, thus the rule gets abused not by the super expensive players, but by the sort of midranked team ace players.

Just for the last week the 0-2 in the same day scenario happened like 5 times

The current system just made completely pointless to have Bisu/Jd/Flash/ZerO/EffOrt/Sea/Really/Calm/RorO on the anti. Not because its impossible for them to underperform, but because they are scoring that +2 from the Ace by default. The real issue with that is, limiting the possibilities for the anti team. By the start of the season I decided to go for one super high price guy and two lasser dudes, who wont get to play, but even thou my high price player is losing, the strategy doesnt seem to pay off.

Look it the other way around - if you have Really on your main and he starts sucking, you can trade him for a guy like Movie and thus avoid losing points. If you have Really or Sea on the anti thou, you can trade them for Flash... which is not really an option

Ofc the main reason my team is ranked just 600th is not that I picked the wrong strategy for the anti. Yes, I could've scored a couple of points from Sea, but the way it is right now, I didnt scored more and the ppl who are ahead of me, and have Really/RorO etc, havent score much less as well.

its really strange, cause some of the FPLs teams are just winning without doing a single thing
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Magic84
Profile Joined October 2008
Russian Federation1381 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-17 01:12:52
December 16 2009 20:24 GMT
#406
The way i see it, removing ace appearance, giving -1 for an ace loss and +4 is a good way to do it.

Example, Roro loses 0-2 in one day, if i managed to guess it right i'm getting rewarded +3 points on anti. He's -3.
Roro goes 0-1 (just ace), he's -1
Roro goes 1-1, he's +3 or more with streak
Roro goes 1-0 (just ace), he's +5 or more
Roro goes 2-0, he's +9 or more with bonuses, which is less, than current guaranteed +11

It will allow strong guys on anti actually lose enough value to trade them off, instead of being stuck with these hot players with no good options. It allows operating with weak aces like Roro, Mind, potentially Shine, so they can gain anti points and lose value, while right now it isn't worth it. So basically it's what disciple wanted. Players like Zero, Free, Fantasy become interesting short term anti options, they will also be unable to score insane points just being sent on ace all the time, losing or not, like R1 3-pointer Zero, this is a possibility to dispose of a high pointer that is murdering your anti. A very risky and hard guess of 0-2 becomes rewarding. More depth and skill in your picks this way.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-17 04:32:49
December 17 2009 04:25 GMT
#407
why can't i trade yarnc for turn?

edit: nvm its because you cant trade away the only player of a certain race
JadeFist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States1225 Posts
December 17 2009 04:32 GMT
#408
On December 17 2009 13:25 zulu_nation8 wrote:
why can't i trade yarnc for turn?

You need at least one zerg on your mt.
Kouda
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States2205 Posts
December 17 2009 04:42 GMT
#409
Ugh, as muuch as Skyhigh means to me. I traded him.

Skyhigh --> Luxury
Hero --> TurN

I just dont have a good feeling about Hero/Skyhigh this week.
Magic84
Profile Joined October 2008
Russian Federation1381 Posts
December 17 2009 05:04 GMT
#410
So, fellow type-b victims, what do we do with our Spears now? There were 55 trades for him.

Keep him in hope of Oz 3-0ing? Odin's ZvT? SKT zerg vs Ace zerg, does it worth 1-2 tax points? What else?
OpticalShot
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada6330 Posts
December 17 2009 05:10 GMT
#411
Skyhigh gotta start losing, having him on my anti has totally wrecked my R2 team. Also, why is free actually winning a few games? (Like that ace match he won) -_- antiteam ftl.
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JadeFist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States1225 Posts
December 17 2009 05:13 GMT
#412
aaaaaaah. Nobody on my anti playing this week!
Athos
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2484 Posts
December 17 2009 05:20 GMT
#413
On December 17 2009 14:04 Magic84 wrote:
So, fellow type-b victims, what do we do with our Spears now? There were 55 trades for him.

Keep him in hope of Oz 3-0ing? Odin's ZvT? SKT zerg vs Ace zerg, does it worth 1-2 tax points? What else?



Wow, I never realized there were 54 other individuals are retarded as me.


I'm keeping him and praying for a miracle win over leta.
Gann1
Profile Joined July 2009
United States1575 Posts
December 17 2009 05:35 GMT
#414
I traded type-bad for Hogil instead of Spear! at least he got me three points.
I drop suckas like Plinko
BloodDrunK
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bangladesh2767 Posts
December 17 2009 05:42 GMT
#415
i didn't trade type-b for anyone and he got me one point.but now,i can't even trade him for someone mediocre.
You have the power to create your own destiny.
MrMoose
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada176 Posts
December 17 2009 05:47 GMT
#416
On December 17 2009 14:04 Magic84 wrote:
So, fellow type-b victims, what do we do with our Spears now? There were 55 trades for him.

Keep him in hope of Oz 3-0ing? Odin's ZvT? SKT zerg vs Ace zerg, does it worth 1-2 tax points? What else?


Traded him for TurN. I figure he gave Bisu a good game, and if he can beat Yarnc zvt, he can beat kwanro? Maybe?
When in doubt, lubricate!
Magic84
Profile Joined October 2008
Russian Federation1381 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-17 06:01:01
December 17 2009 05:59 GMT
#417
On December 17 2009 14:47 MrMoose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2009 14:04 Magic84 wrote:
So, fellow type-b victims, what do we do with our Spears now? There were 55 trades for him.

Keep him in hope of Oz 3-0ing? Odin's ZvT? SKT zerg vs Ace zerg, does it worth 1-2 tax points? What else?


Traded him for TurN. I figure he gave Bisu a good game, and if he can beat Yarnc zvt, he can beat kwanro? Maybe?

That's a decent one, especially if he sticks around. Kwanro can win easily too and Turn can disappear. I think many if not all of these options are going to succeed actually.
CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
December 17 2009 06:01 GMT
#418
so... who should I trade between violet and ruby, one of them is guaranteed a win -__-
© Current year.
Magic84
Profile Joined October 2008
Russian Federation1381 Posts
December 17 2009 06:05 GMT
#419
On December 17 2009 15:01 CorsairHero wrote:
so... who should I trade between violet and ruby, one of them is guaranteed a win -__-

Violet's a lot more dangerous, even with Ruby being Ace's ace.
Athos
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2484 Posts
December 17 2009 06:05 GMT
#420
On December 17 2009 15:01 CorsairHero wrote:
so... who should I trade between violet and ruby, one of them is guaranteed a win -__-

trade ruby away man.
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