EPT[FPL] 09-10 R2 Discussion - Page 21
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JadeFist
United States1225 Posts
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lynx.oblige
Sierra Leone2268 Posts
On December 16 2009 20:30 FastEddieV wrote: Killer's scored more points so far than Flash and Stork > > And damn you Leta for picking R2 to get hot again. -22 is killing me, bro. I agree. Leta on anti was murder. He was #1 for a while until the OZ match put Jaedong back up. Naturally, I traded Leta first thing when trades came up, lol. | ||
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Oystein
Norway1602 Posts
On December 15 2009 21:23 disciple wrote: What I dont like about the current scoring system. I have player A on my anti team. On the same day player A goes 0-2, losing his regular game and the ace match as well. According to the current system this will have no impact to his score, he will gain or lose 0 points, because he will -2 points for his regular loss, but +2 just because he played ace. A player, going 0-2 on the same day, is clearly underperfoming, but this still has no reflection on the macro picture. Its a big gamble to have a high price player on the anti. I picked Sea, and having in mind yesterdays match, my choice seems to be correct (I have a player, who lost twice in a single day, on my anti) but yet this doesnt get "rewarded". My suggestion is just to have -2 for the ace match losses as well Really agree with this, having Really on my anti team lose twice the same day and break even in points just sucks. This makes you just focus on players not playing (or at least not playing ace matches) like before even tho your intentions with the new system of them gaining you points was so people could look for players who would lose and earn from it. | ||
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DrTJEckleburg
United States1080 Posts
On December 17 2009 04:47 Oystein wrote: Really agree with this, having Really on my anti team lose twice the same day and break even in points just sucks. This makes you just focus on players not playing (or at least not playing ace matches) like before even tho your intentions with the new system of them gaining you points was so people could look for players who would lose and earn from it. I think in the original rule change there was a -2 loss for ace match losses but Hot_Bid and Abydos changed it to 0. Yeah, found that quote, not that I'm helping with anything just demonstrating that it used to be the way you're suggesting, I guess. On December 01 2009 12:41 IntoTheWow wrote: I like the anti team changes. I don't like the ace point changes. With the new system, someone who aces but loses gains zero points from it, while winner takes all. This makes aces from strong teams (bisu, flash, jaedong, effort) even better. They were considered safe picks in the previous seasons and they will be even safer with the changes. Hot_Bid wrote: This is a good point, I talked it over with Abydos and we have adjusted the scoring so that Ace Loss = 0 (instead of -2). | ||
disciple
9070 Posts
Just for the last week the 0-2 in the same day scenario happened like 5 times The current system just made completely pointless to have Bisu/Jd/Flash/ZerO/EffOrt/Sea/Really/Calm/RorO on the anti. Not because its impossible for them to underperform, but because they are scoring that +2 from the Ace by default. The real issue with that is, limiting the possibilities for the anti team. By the start of the season I decided to go for one super high price guy and two lasser dudes, who wont get to play, but even thou my high price player is losing, the strategy doesnt seem to pay off. Look it the other way around - if you have Really on your main and he starts sucking, you can trade him for a guy like Movie and thus avoid losing points. If you have Really or Sea on the anti thou, you can trade them for Flash... which is not really an option Ofc the main reason my team is ranked just 600th is not that I picked the wrong strategy for the anti. Yes, I could've scored a couple of points from Sea, but the way it is right now, I didnt scored more and the ppl who are ahead of me, and have Really/RorO etc, havent score much less as well. its really strange, cause some of the FPLs teams are just winning without doing a single thing | ||
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Magic84
Russian Federation1381 Posts
Example, Roro loses 0-2 in one day, if i managed to guess it right i'm getting rewarded +3 points on anti. He's -3. Roro goes 0-1 (just ace), he's -1 Roro goes 1-1, he's +3 or more with streak Roro goes 1-0 (just ace), he's +5 or more Roro goes 2-0, he's +9 or more with bonuses, which is less, than current guaranteed +11 It will allow strong guys on anti actually lose enough value to trade them off, instead of being stuck with these hot players with no good options. It allows operating with weak aces like Roro, Mind, potentially Shine, so they can gain anti points and lose value, while right now it isn't worth it. So basically it's what disciple wanted. Players like Zero, Free, Fantasy become interesting short term anti options, they will also be unable to score insane points just being sent on ace all the time, losing or not, like R1 3-pointer Zero, this is a possibility to dispose of a high pointer that is murdering your anti. A very risky and hard guess of 0-2 becomes rewarding. More depth and skill in your picks this way. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
edit: nvm its because you cant trade away the only player of a certain race | ||
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JadeFist
United States1225 Posts
On December 17 2009 13:25 zulu_nation8 wrote: why can't i trade yarnc for turn? You need at least one zerg on your mt. | ||
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Kouda
United States2205 Posts
Skyhigh --> Luxury Hero --> TurN I just dont have a good feeling about Hero/Skyhigh this week. | ||
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Magic84
Russian Federation1381 Posts
Keep him in hope of Oz 3-0ing? Odin's ZvT? SKT zerg vs Ace zerg, does it worth 1-2 tax points? What else? | ||
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OpticalShot
Canada6330 Posts
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JadeFist
United States1225 Posts
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Athos
United States2484 Posts
On December 17 2009 14:04 Magic84 wrote: So, fellow type-b victims, what do we do with our Spears now? There were 55 trades for him. Keep him in hope of Oz 3-0ing? Odin's ZvT? SKT zerg vs Ace zerg, does it worth 1-2 tax points? What else? Wow, I never realized there were 54 other individuals are retarded as me. I'm keeping him and praying for a miracle win over leta. | ||
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Gann1
United States1575 Posts
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BloodDrunK
Bangladesh2767 Posts
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MrMoose
Canada176 Posts
On December 17 2009 14:04 Magic84 wrote: So, fellow type-b victims, what do we do with our Spears now? There were 55 trades for him. Keep him in hope of Oz 3-0ing? Odin's ZvT? SKT zerg vs Ace zerg, does it worth 1-2 tax points? What else? Traded him for TurN. I figure he gave Bisu a good game, and if he can beat Yarnc zvt, he can beat kwanro? Maybe? | ||
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Magic84
Russian Federation1381 Posts
On December 17 2009 14:47 MrMoose wrote: Traded him for TurN. I figure he gave Bisu a good game, and if he can beat Yarnc zvt, he can beat kwanro? Maybe? That's a decent one, especially if he sticks around. Kwanro can win easily too and Turn can disappear. I think many if not all of these options are going to succeed actually. | ||
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CorsairHero
Canada9491 Posts
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Magic84
Russian Federation1381 Posts
On December 17 2009 15:01 CorsairHero wrote: so... who should I trade between violet and ruby, one of them is guaranteed a win -__- Violet's a lot more dangerous, even with Ruby being Ace's ace. | ||
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Athos
United States2484 Posts
On December 17 2009 15:01 CorsairHero wrote: so... who should I trade between violet and ruby, one of them is guaranteed a win -__- trade ruby away man. | ||
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