So impressive, there are so many different possibilities of this... I am so glad you made these vids. Have you tried playing against it? I mean it looks good... but does it fall apart if you group your hydras and time your attacks with theirs or do they respond enough to move away?

Syntax Lost

Finland86 Posts

November 27 2009 09:32 GMT

#105

What happens to the algorithm when it gets flanked?

sixduck

United States301 Posts

November 27 2009 09:35 GMT

#106

Wow theres so much going on, like someone said, its beautiful.

what are the songs playing in the videos?

TryThis

Canada1522 Posts

November 27 2009 09:37 GMT

#107

this is jsut artful, i cant stop watching it.

isnt bisu stuck playing these things? im excited to see his face when this happens to him

Phearlock

Norway400 Posts

November 27 2009 09:38 GMT

#108

I'm interested to see what happens if you for example take control of a M&M group vs the mutas, do they fail due to not being able to focus fire properly?

EtherealDeath

United States8366 Posts

November 27 2009 09:42 GMT

#109

On November 27 2009 17:21 Deviation wrote:

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I think it was on Cowboy Bebop?

Omg I didn't realize I had sound turned off the first time. Just watched it again with sound on... so fitting... I cannot describe.

spinesheath

Germany8679 Posts

November 27 2009 09:42 GMT

#110

So, is this on Singleplayer or on UDP via LAN? I can't really tell because I don't know how much prediction you used, but I would assume Singleplayer. If it isn't UDP, and UDP has that 5 frame delay I heard it has, the video isn't half as impressive as it could be.

Also, imo there is a lot of wasted dps.
My suggestion for perfect muta vs archon micro would be to zig-zag away from the archons to keep the muta speed at the max, and also keep the perfect distance so that you can do backwards shots without getting hurt. Can't say for sure that this actually works because obviously noone has been able to do that yet. But if it works (the main issue should be how much a muta decelerates during a backwards shot), the dps would be much higher and you wouldn't get any hits at all because you never have a muta and an archon going towards each other at top speed.

The best Archon AI against that imo would have to think in much longer timespans, and try to trap the mutas. Obviously this isn't going to work if there is a cliff, so all you could do is chase the mutas out by attempting a surround and then retreating as far as possible.
But a much better unit composition against mutas would be archon+sair anyways. The sairs deal the main damage and the archons punish any mutas that try to kill the sairs.

Even though I guess that AI implementation is comparatively simple and straightforward, it still is impressive.

EtherealDeath

United States8366 Posts

November 27 2009 09:44 GMT

#111

Yea, I'm putting this as a link on my Facebook lol (since I know a bunch of people who play SC). This shit is just great.

KwarK

United States42017 Posts

November 27 2009 10:10 GMT

#112

On November 27 2009 17:48 wok wrote:

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What do you mean? A dt killing mines as it goes?

If a dt is walking directly towards a mine and goes into hold position just before it reaches the dts maximum range it swipes and kills the mine. If a dt is attempting to kill a mine it walks right up to its attack range then swipes which unfortunately allows the mine to kill it. The dt has slightly more range but the mine has faster attack speed. It is relatively easy to micro a dt against a mine you know the whereabouts of because you can send the dt towards the mine and be ready to hold position at the last moment. It is much harder to do it blindly because you'd have to change direction to face the mine instantly and be ready to hold.
Perfect situation for AI exploitation.

t_co

United States702 Posts

November 27 2009 10:10 GMT

#113

On November 27 2009 18:20 EpiK wrote:
anyone know the names of the songs in both videos?

2nd piano piece is liebesraum. 1st piece could be Chopin's Andante, not sure

KwarK

United States42017 Posts

November 27 2009 10:11 GMT

#114

Oh, and dragoons microing vs mines would be good too. Stepping back and manually targetting the mines, two on each, would be sick. PvT you could just skip robo for sick mass goon attacks.

ProoM

Lithuania1741 Posts

November 27 2009 11:01 GMT

#115

that kind of muta micro would be useless against marines, but still, nice work ;].

Piy

Scotland3152 Posts

November 27 2009 11:06 GMT

#116

its surprisingly beautiful and calming to watch lol

Disregard

China10252 Posts

November 27 2009 11:09 GMT

#117

Lol @ the APM.

SWPIGWANG

Canada482 Posts

November 27 2009 11:52 GMT

#118

I think an improvement can be made to the AI, by having air units basically "orbit" the opponent just out max range as opposed to the "head toward and back" strategy. Instead it would orbit just outside max range, move in a shallow angle to shoot and move out back into orbit depending on if the opponent gives chase, this lowers the approach rate between units and allow good exploitation of cooldown.

For group AI, i think just perfect stacking would be good if no range advantage exists against ground units. Use the above orbiting mechanism as well as groups big enough to one shot should do the job.

JFKWT

Singapore1442 Posts

November 27 2009 12:17 GMT

#119

On November 27 2009 16:58 Pieguy314 wrote:
This is a little off-topic but could someone tell me what the piano piece name of the second video is called? I know I've heard it alot and im sure its quite famous, but i just can't put my finger on it. If someone could tell me that would be really appreciated =P ty

I think its Liszt's Liebenstraum