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RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13295 Posts
January 18 2004 03:46 GMT
#21
The qualification process for asmodey was different to what it is today. I believe he had an easier path into OGN as he did have to play other pros to qualify, just other foreigners. Then again maybe im drunk
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
Anal_Ripper
Profile Joined December 2002
Russian Federation1233 Posts
January 18 2004 04:01 GMT
#22
well he still went 3-0 in his group beating Marine and Yellow on his way
Better to fast than eat of every meat, better to live alone than mate with all
amat
Profile Joined October 2002
United States1788 Posts
January 18 2004 04:09 GMT
#23
Isn't Asmodey the only player to ever have been warned (by game-q) for hacking?

Grrrr... is without a doubt the best non-korean ever, and maybe second best including kors (Boxer).
Proud Mensrea No-Prize Winner. Click the Banner Ads. I would keep a lamer list, but I love you all.
MaTRiX[SiN]
Profile Joined September 2003
Sweden1282 Posts
January 18 2004 04:53 GMT
#24
no1 mentioned willet jet!? asdf these forum visitors r real morons
well then I guess I have to say it myself -_- WiLLEt is the best player outside korea ever kekekek

as honorable mentions... leg giyom mondragon kenka@his prime naz and ret~~
aka StormtoSS
chicken`
Profile Joined January 2004
Germany3478 Posts
January 18 2004 05:25 GMT
#25
mr. freddy fishyyyy
jeremy clarkson = god
ejai63
Profile Joined November 2002
United States2101 Posts
January 18 2004 05:55 GMT
#26
didnt myanard dominate early sc/bw?
1-10-5
karate
Profile Joined October 2003
Norway120 Posts
January 18 2004 06:04 GMT
#27
On January 18 2004 12:12 ToKoreaWithLove wrote:
Best of all time I think Grrr. Remeber Grrr has always been a top player, ever since season 1 ladder.

Skillwise Slayer I suppose, he was really really good in his prime. Of course anyone ever to play in korean leagues which means ElkY and Ashmodey.


I think slayer played in some leagues too after kbk , played from home or something.

So besides elky and grrr, slayer is the greatest.
Kacas
Profile Joined July 2003
Brazil3143 Posts
January 18 2004 06:04 GMT
#28
grrr
elky
slayer
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Villaret
Profile Joined November 2002
Albania222 Posts
January 18 2004 06:09 GMT
#29
Perfomance Wise we go this way !
Grrr, elky, Slayer!

Now if we see it from the global stage of pro gaming, then guillaume gets the palm for his incredible longevity in Pro gaming business considering he isnt practicing more than a hour or two a week since 3 years. And its no joke.

Now if you want some right opinion, atm, the best non korean player is without anydoubt elky.
You guys watch too much replay bullshit.
All counts are achievements and facts.
Now any ahievement outside korea is strictly bullshit.
Not to harm you guys, but thats fucking true.
Maynard did never win anything over korea, but he was sponsored.
NTT did good at first wcg.
Slayer won KBK.
Smuft did good things in leagues and on TV, but not that much, mainly because he didnt stay such a long period over there.
Need to talk about everlast? well for the info, he one won lan tournament in korea some 4 years ago.. not some big achievement, but still. ( even tho at this time everybody use to suck in korea.
Asmodey never won anything either, he just got fucked up by OGN that only needed some foreign dude for a short perdiod cuz guillaume was for 5 month, the only foreign guy on tv when comming to the sc thingy, so they needed one or more fresh foreign guys.
Elky took the spot as the new pro gaming foreign player, and this because of his achievements.

Now lets face the facts, here the two players u gotta dterminate whos the best between :
Grrrr, not giving here the detail of achievements, but he prolly one something close to 300 000 USD throughough all his bw career. ( counting older tournaments, before when you had cash for sc outside korea) ( including commercials, sponsorships, benefits etc...)Now thats quite an impressive result, but this didnt come at once, and he mostly spended the money living over there in a very nice way, and he didnt win anything since two years.
Now elky, who gets close to 70 000 or 80 000 usd with some 2 years activity over there, actually no foreign player ever did that much over there, but guillaume. Thing is that elky arrived in Korea at a time where the gaming level was higher than it ever was before.
He came after the "boxer" transition, that changed everything in the SC landscape over there. So considering it was prolly 10x times harder for elky to make money than grrrr when he came there at first, we could say that elky gets to the first foreign pro gamer place ever.

About the sadest lost bw had in his existence, lets mention ABS-Slayer and Saft, prolly the two best foreign players that ever were around, but that never got to korea to persue it.
So sad.
Villaret
Profile Joined November 2002
Albania222 Posts
January 18 2004 06:12 GMT
#30
Im too lazy to edit this post sorry.
mdb
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
Bulgaria4059 Posts
January 18 2004 06:32 GMT
#31
There is a player who was non-korean and was twice top 16 at KBK.Also
top 8 at wcg2001.
Villaret
Profile Joined November 2002
Albania222 Posts
January 18 2004 06:40 GMT
#32
top 16 and top 8 in amateur tournaments do not stand as "big achievements"
SpringWind
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
China231 Posts
January 18 2004 06:51 GMT
#33
Blackman,must be him...

But I like Pj,because we are both Chinese.
uLti-ScT-
Profile Joined January 2003
Germany104 Posts
January 18 2004 06:57 GMT
#34
[Edit Random Joke Here]HovZ[/Edit Random Joke Here]
TT
DooMeR
Profile Joined July 2003
United States1519 Posts
January 18 2004 07:20 GMT
#35
[GG99]Slayer forever will be #1 in my eyes!

The man takes on boxer with his 2nd race and give him 3 GGs. (even tho he loses :{)
Dealer
Profile Joined January 2003
Sweden1368 Posts
January 18 2004 07:30 GMT
#36
On January 18 2004 16:20 DooMeR wrote:
[GG99]Slayer forever will be #1 in my eyes!

The man takes on boxer with his 2nd race and give him 3 GGs. (even tho he loses :{)


"2nd best race"?
He was just jet-lagged and would've raped him otherwise, + listing Elky above Slayer is just pathetic, Slayer acheived quite a lot for the short time he was active, and he could've gone to korea and started playing for any proteam he wanted but said no =]
h e l l o e
Pacifist
Profile Joined October 2003
Israel1683 Posts
January 18 2004 07:41 GMT
#37
On January 18 2004 15:57 uLti-ScT- wrote:
[Edit Random Joke Here]HovZ[/Edit Random Joke Here]


lol
Riding a bike is overrated.
aLuMetTe
Profile Joined December 2003
Canada35 Posts
January 18 2004 07:43 GMT
#38
LinYu)Pj
(:hi:)
Honk2000
Profile Joined April 2003
Germany698 Posts
January 18 2004 07:48 GMT
#39
On January 18 2004 15:32 mdb wrote:
There is a player who was non-korean and was twice top 16 at KBK.Also
top 8 at wcg2001.


i guess it is mr.x
Stormich
Profile Joined August 2003
Croatia336 Posts
January 18 2004 07:49 GMT
#40
Slayer, NTT, Tsunami a few years back
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