[A]Heartbreak Ridge TvP Side - Page 2

On September 21 2009 06:13 cUrsOr wrote:
An actual verifiable, totally useful, and provable conclusion that really... can't be argued with. This is they way to learn from watching pro gammers. This is what TL is about... thanks for all your work this is a REALLY smooth layout.

On September 21 2009 08:51 Dental Floss wrote:
does anyone know what changes were made to RoHB between versions .9 and the current 1.1?

On September 21 2009 08:57 Divinek wrote:
Dropships do seem like the logical choice based on the layout of the map and the way tosses play it. Nice to see a well thoughout article immensely backing this up. Good stuff

On September 21 2009 18:41 BookTwo wrote:
very nice breakdown there. I'd be more than willing to read more of a different map!

Summary:
Two Factories > Two Gate Range
Especially if you expand directly after you make 4 goons with no robo in sight.

On May 30 2009 13:39 KP_CollectoR wrote:
Just to re-cap, Mind had a 2nd factory but made his push look like an FD. After opening 2 gate, BeSt decided to expand (he was faked out by Mind). Mind then pushed out with 3 tanks + vultures/marines against like only 3 goons, then proceeded to rape all of BeSt's probes. Very very strong execution of 2 fact push.

On September 22 2009 11:49 integral wrote:
The OP says "... no" to the Mind vs Best game, then goes on to say But I really feel like that game deserves a more in-depth look. If I remember the game right, mind denied scout while making his initial push look like a FD, leading best to expand -- the right move vs FD. But best's goon contain, which would be good enough to hold vs FD, gets raped when mind brings the tank he was holding back and the one he just produced to join the one up front and moves out. Best's decision to build a nexus undoubtedly cost him the game, but it was mind's doing, not best's mistake.

That's what I remember anyway.

Edit: from the thread

On September 20 2009 10:23 Monokeros wrote:


Fixed, thanks



When you say retarded positioning do you mean attacking the protoss' third or claiming your own? Because dropships save the day for attack, and if youre claiming your own its usually when the Protoss' units are out of position or you got time after a huge advantage in which the toss cant afford to move out to stop you.

On September 22 2009 16:23 Monokeros wrote:



Yeah I should've given more credit to Mind, but it was just funny because out of all the videos theres this one 8mn game of best losing to Two Fact, and this never happens again. So I felt it deserved special mention due to it being unique.

On September 22 2009 16:37 Mystlord wrote:



Since the third is so close to the Protoss's rally point and since it's really easy for Dropships to get intercepted, they lose their effectiveness compared to maps like Python or God's Garden. I think the best way to use Dropships is periodic Vulture Drops into the main rather than an attack on the third. You might be able to sneak a Dropship along the bottom of the map, but chances are that it will get spotted early by the block that should be set up right in the choke of the third.

On September 19 2009 17:58 Monokeros wrote:
Now understanding that any kind of harass is risky and a huge investment many may be reluctant to use it. Whether you're clever or not with them using dropships to disrupt the Protoss' economy on this map is key, even if you don't get many probe kills if the dropships if floating around it can easily distract the Protoss, disrupt their game flow, allow you to secure your OWN 3rd and an eco advantage all the while keeping them wary of the skies and the ground whenever they move out.