TeamLiquid's Travian Experience - Page 8

On January 05 2007 10:06 oneofthem wrote:
yeah if all tl players play again I think we can pretty much rape the entire server more completely than it has ever been done in travian history.

On January 05 2007 07:38 IntoTheWow wrote:
edit2: Kaz first attack in our first war was awesome. I remember everyone posting battle report of armies of 500 axes. And suddenly Kaz appeared with a 2k/2.5k army or more i cant remember. hahah that guy deleted right?

On January 05 2007 08:58 garandou wrote:


No, it wasn't. That's what I did on s5. You need a good target and it's a bit risky, but in the end it payed off. Elite (the #1 alliance at that time) was a bit surprised to be the victim of the first conquest on the server xD

It also led to a very funny 250 pally attack conducted by zerg ^^

On January 05 2007 10:06 oneofthem wrote:
yeah if all tl players play again I think we can pretty much rape the entire server more completely than it has ever been done in travian history.

On January 05 2007 14:37 thedeadhaji wrote:
a travian player's worth changes a lot during the various stages of the game. Oneofthem, you didnt cover lategame, where a player's worth is defined by one of two factors. One is the brains and organization to lead coordinated offensives and defensives, a trait that is required from the alliance leader and senate members.

The other is diligence and persistence in buliding an army for months while never using it, and laying low so as not to get attacked. In s4 if you remember, Genesis knew that DeanSmith, Neo, etc had an anti-WorldWonder army since in general, their armies would show up on their attack reports fairly frequently. The value of my army was that they did not know about its existence.

It is a real pain in the ass doing the same things over and over every 6 hours for over 100 days in order to build a 100,000+ crop/hour army, maintaining it with crop, never using it to attack EVER, and at the same time never talking about even its mere existence on even your own alliance forums for fear of information leaks.

Until about 2 weeks until the final attack, only Neo knew about the army I had (and whoever he trusted enough to disclose it to) and I think I only let 4-5 people even know about it.

And it is VERY hard to ask for crop support without letting other pple know what you have that you have to feed

On January 05 2007 15:47 NeoIllusions wrote:


You're an outlier though, garandou mini-diu. You had no technical allies around you for squares and sqaures. So everything within your 100x100 was a farm or conquest target. xD

oneofthem didn't cover late game because he always quits/deletes/passes account down before he reaches it. XD

On January 05 2007 14:37 thedeadhaji wrote:
a travian player's worth changes a lot during the various stages of the game. Oneofthem, you didnt cover lategame, where a player's worth is defined by one of two factors. One is the brains and organization to lead coordinated offensives and defensives, a trait that is required from the alliance leader and senate members.

The other is diligence and persistence in buliding an army for months while never using it, and laying low so as not to get attacked. In s4 if you remember, Genesis knew that DeanSmith, Neo, etc had an anti-WorldWonder army since in general, their armies would show up on their attack reports fairly frequently. The value of my army was that they did not know about its existence.

It is a real pain in the ass doing the same things over and over every 6 hours for over 100 days in order to build a 100,000+ crop/hour army, maintaining it with crop, never using it to attack EVER, and at the same time never talking about even its mere existence on even your own alliance forums for fear of information leaks.

Until about 2 weeks until the final attack, only Neo knew about the army I had (and whoever he trusted enough to disclose it to) and I think I only let 4-5 people even know about it.

And it is VERY hard to ask for crop support without letting other pple know what you have that you have to feed

On January 05 2007 15:50 NeoIllusions wrote:


Well, that's because our TL guys are a shitload more competent than your average intarweb kid. I rarely had to repeat myself with TL members. It wasn't always true with non-TL members. >_>

On January 05 2007 20:21 oneofthem wrote:
I'm only talking about individual playing ability to grow, it was not meant as a statement of worthiness. Maybe i should have used a different word.

For late game, the leaders are everything. A competent leader wins the game with a certain cooperative players/resources, since late game initiatives are few and macro.

The adnoctvm war was really a real war for TL, pretty much everyone active participated. I remember cataing one of adnoctvm's ally's diplomat. The guy sent "please stop" like 10 times, reminded me of some poor robot dying. Before then we kinda were afraid of ranked alliances, I remember a discussion on "SOJ" when they were ranked up there and some of our more dovish members were afraid of attacking them and making too many enemies, but really their entire shit dissolved in less than a few weeks. Travian alliances are only as impressive as their leadership and core members.

On January 05 2007 21:46 NeoIllusions wrote:


The dove says hi. Not quite about SOJ, but about ~SL~. >_>

On January 03 2007 18:59 NeoIllusions wrote:


I'd be willing to teach if enough people show interest. But so far, all the old players aren't interested in starting again.

I know Darkmage (Frenchguy) is still playing Server 2 under the name "PlayerKillers". You could try registering on S2 NorthEast and talk to him. If you like the game, PM me and I'll write you up a guide.

On January 05 2007 09:50 oneofthem wrote:
Ah I'm pretty bad at timing attacks, too many distractions plus the travian clock doesn't run right. :/ I was overly obsessed with efficiency of CP also, meaning that i tried to get as much crop per cp as possible, a mistake. Conquering early is just a trophy, like making a 2nd village asap, it doesn't necessarily translate into more growth. More on this later.

As for the villages being effective, on s5 garandou and i were both feeding a lot of troops, but he had more villages, which not only meant that he could have crop production but also resources and merchants with which to trade with other players for crop. My crop situation on s5 would be much easier to manage if I used up my cultural points as soon as i got them. Plus, later on most farms would be gone, and having to constantly find farms or make new ones makes the game much too hard to manage.

On T3 the crop problem is solved somewhat by the main village and also by crop oases. It is just that the main village takes time to build up, with a lv15 or 16 field taking up to a day or two to upgrade. (even on the 3x speed server lv16 fields took a day...although I did have a village with over 60k crop production ^_^)

Having to raid all the crop to feed army is downright horrible and takes way too much time. All the late game accounts I had a chance to manage were way easier my s5, since I just have to send crop from villages with crop to the consumption village.

Another misconception about hte game is that it is all about resources, when it is really all about time. The best strategy is not one that which makes income cheapest (troops and raids) but one which expands income the most during a set period of time. In this way building high level fields is more effective time wise for income generation than simply raiding troops. Plus, you'll be overflowing with resources when your raiding income reach a certain level (this is the "flying" stage in which all methods of production are in full boom, troops, buildings, chiefs, parties, all building) you will pretty much ignore marginal cost/income analysis in favor of net income generation. But then again some factors of production depends on your activity level and luck, so one must be careful to not rely too much on those. The general rule is this, build as much cheap cp as possible, and get villages asap. Try to get 5 or 6 chiefs ready, and by that time (shouldn't take a very long time, I think it took Cina all but a month on 3x speed T3 with a gaul) just go on conquering, your account is going to be unholy powerful compared to pretty much anyone else at that point anyways, assuming you raid diligently and smartly

So for me I measure the abilty of a travian player to do two things, kill and make money. Some players, (cina for example) value only high pop, and say the purpose of an army is to get higher pop easier, and the purpose of alliances is for bullying and protection, that's just so womanish. bleh. If you are going to invest time and energy into a game with the ability to kick someone else's ass, by all means, try to kick as much ass as possible. Running a highly offensive account is where the fun is, but late game travian doesn't allow for this.