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eMbrace
United States1300 Posts
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Husky
United States3362 Posts
I have a horrible time paying attention to classes that I dont find interesting. As an example, I took computer classes for the last two years (web design, networking, a little programming, lots of applications classes, servers, stuff like that) and my GPA for all those was 3.8. Fast forward to where I am now having to take English, Biology, etc etc, my GPA is actually failing. Because of that I'm going back to the stuff I care most about, computers. I was the same way in highschool as well. I was super lazy and still got by just fine. I wouldnt even do the readings and could somehow pass all my classes without a second thought. I've just never found studying too important unless its something I am genuinely interested in. The best example of this in my person life is my YouTube page. I can easily spend 5-6 hours making videos for that, but give me a 1 hour essay to write to pass a class and I have the hardest time focusing. Its not that I'm not smart, I just dont see the point. Hope that makes sense. I know getting good grades and passing all the 'basic' classes is important, I just have the hardest time with them. | ||
Mikilatov
United States3897 Posts
I've had issues with similar motivation problems, as well as many other similar problems (which you may have as well and not even realize or know about) and they all stemmed from this same thing. It's not typically what people think of when they think of A.D.D., but it certainly affects more than just out of control hyperactive kids. Just a thought, if you want to know more, let me know. edit: Also, check this if you want more info, too. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adult_ADD | ||
Clow
Brazil880 Posts
As I was getting older, my motivation in school dropped so much I almost failed. Today I have so many things I'd like to do (or need to) but I can't get motivated, and in the end I just waste my time. I don't really know what to do, and I'm starting to get more and more worried about it... | ||
eMbrace
United States1300 Posts
On July 31 2009 09:24 Mikilatov wrote: I can't say anything conclusively of course, but it sounds like there's a possibility that you could have adult A.D.D. If you can, talk to a doctor about this problem and see what he/she has to say. I've had issues with similar motivation problems, as well as many other similar problems (which you may have as well and not even realize or know about) and they all stemmed from this same thing. It's not typically what people think of when they think of A.D.D., but it certainly affects more than just out of control hyperactive kids. Just a thought, if you want to know more, let me know. edit: Also, check this if you want more info, too. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adult_ADD Yeah I read the wiki and it nails my problems pretty accurately. I fully believe that I don't need a doctor to handle myself though. The problem is so simple that being told to go to a doctor just motivated me a whole lot to improve myself. I actually feel a bit better now =p Thanks | ||
Clasic
Bosnia-Herzegovina1437 Posts
best of luck to ya =D | ||
Sigh
Canada2433 Posts
Thinking like " If i dont do well in school, i'll be a damn hobo for the rest of my life " usually increases my motivation... slightly... for a couple of days, rofl. zzzzzz | ||
Gliche
United States811 Posts
Basically my advice is to find something that really interests you. Not something just for the grade, or just for show. It doesn't have to be a school subject. It could be a goal of some sort, an idea of where you want to be, a task you want to learn how to do, an issue you want to figure out. And try a shitload of new things once you hit college. You'll make lots of friends and eventually find something you're passionate about. From there, work towards it and school will come easier after that because you'll see it not as a chore but as a stepping stone to where you want to get. My parents hated how spread out and unfocused I was at first, but if you stumble through school just for the grades, you won't make it out the other side in good shape imo. Right now I'm finishing up university and know exactly what I want to do. I switched through majors ranging from aerospace engineering to psychology and liked every second of it as long as I was going in the direction I personally set for myself. I don't know if this was good advice or not but it seemed like a good idea for me. Just like how TL has its place in the community because it's passionate about Starcraft, you won't get anywhere past D+ level in life if you aren't passionate about something yourself. | ||
Hiphopapotamus
United States121 Posts
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Rev0lution
United States1805 Posts
If you are planning on getting A's specially if you are in the sciences or math you better start studying 4 hours every day, I'm taking Orgo next semester and I am already hitting the books during the summer. | ||
Archaic
United States4024 Posts
On July 31 2009 09:19 HuskyTheHusky wrote: wow, this blog sounds just like me haha. And since I'm earlier in the stage, I just hope I can find motivation to be working hard on my studies, as I do hope the same for you. | ||
eMbrace
United States1300 Posts
On July 31 2009 10:13 Rev0lution wrote: Welcome to higher education, highschool is a fucking joke. If you are planning on getting A's specially if you are in the sciences or math you better start studying 4 hours every day, I'm taking Orgo next semester and I am already hitting the books during the summer. 0_o, i'm doing better in college then I ever was in highschool the difficulty of school has nothing to do with my issue | ||
Kletus
Canada580 Posts
I think you just need to find something that really interests you. | ||
D00dles
Cambodia217 Posts
I've also left pretty much all my work til the last moment, i try and fucking do it but i can't.. I can't explain it, i'll just leave it to the last moment every single fucking time. I think it's because i never really enjoyed any of the subjects i was studying and pretty much every single teacher doesn't care with the exception of a few that were awesome. So, i'm going to uni this september to study Archaeology.. Maybe because it's something i find interesting i'll be able to get out of the shitstorm i've been in revision/study wise and finally be able to sit down and do work instead of doing anything but it. If it's something you enjoy, you should have no trouble doing work towards said enjoyment. For instance; Back at my school, you could choose french or german.. nothing else, this shit was compulsory up until sixth form.. I was good at french but i didn't care as i didn't want to learn this shit in the first place, if it was something not boring (Arabic, Mandarin, Russian, Japanese. etc.etc.) I would of found it very enjoyable. | ||
n.DieJokes
United States3443 Posts
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Hypnosis
United States2061 Posts
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KaasZerg
Netherlands927 Posts
The effects are very variable and interact with things happening in your life. | ||
Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
On July 31 2009 09:13 eMbrace wrote: I've been a straight 'A' student all the way up to my freshman year in highschool. My grades gradually started falling from there, I even ended up failing a couple optional AP classes, or getting Ds in simple math classes. Straight A student in elementary school and middle school? You make that sound like some kind of accomplishment, high school is easy as shit but compared to that middle school is like child's play, getting straight A's there means absolutely nothing because as long as you are even slightly above average intelligence you should be able to do that. I personally think school is the easiest shit in the world, and because of that maybe I didn't take it seriously. The "smartest" kids and even the valedictorian study for like 5 hours a day for a simple history test -- all I do is read the chapter and ace it. I'm not bragging, I'm just trying to point out that I'm fully capable. I'm pretty sure the smartest kids were still smarter than you. The difference between them and you though is work ethic. You make it seem like studying for 5 hours for a 'simple history test' is a bad thing. Guess what.. A valedictorian is going to end up at Harvard or some other Ivy (for the most part)... and where are you now? A state school? If all you needed to do was read the chapters and ace tests then why were you getting D's? The teachers were terrible people, and I know kids always complain about that but honestly -- 90% of the teachers there were lazier than I was. I started to hate homework because I thought the concept of it was stupid -- if I can ace everything you throw at me but forget to practice before hand, why am I labeled as a bad student? You're not lazy, you just like to say that you are lazy to absolve yourself of the responsibility of thinking you're better than you are. That's not the issue. You could put me in a room with nothing to do but my homework and I will stare at the wall instead. I will only bring myself to do my work at the last minute, because I guess that pressure motivates me -- sometimes it works great, sometimes it doesn't. It's a serious problem. That is a serious problem, I used to be like that. If what I said before sounded harsh, sorry, but anyways here's my input. You are right in saying that you shouldn't need to go to a doctor for something this simple. It isn't a medical issue, it's a personal issue. Basically here's the deal. You think you have some sort of entitlement because you are smart, but guess what? There are 460980986409 other smart people to. You call yourself lazy and whatever else because it's akin to taking the easy way out. You know you're smart but the others around you are much more successful. "Well, I'm just as smart as them... but I'm just lazy". That's the biggest bullshit copout ever, and I know because I used to say that in high school. When I was in high school I thought it was all about potential, I'd say "well I know I'm smart so things will just work out for me". Wrong. Nobody gives two shits about your potential unless you're making the most of it. You can't sit there and say "oh school is easy and if I tried harder I'd be doing better." That's the case for EVERYONE, you're not special. You aren't as successful as you want to be, so stop feeling sorry for yourself and calling yourself lazy and do shit. If you find that you're not able to, it's most likely because you've been telling yourself that you're lazy for so long that your brain now has developed a mental block. I'm sure you were just like me in high school, where you thought you were hot shit because you could not study and end up getting some decent grades... only now you realize that what you have is actually a problem, and nobody thinks what you do is cool because soon after high school people realize the payoff that people who studied hard actually got (I.E going to a much better place than a state school). It took me a year to break out of that mold, and now I'm doing just fine... but it takes a lot of work on your part. The deal is that you're never going to be able to coast through life based off your potential alone and if you have any aspirations of making something big of yourself, now is the time to start. | ||
eMbrace
United States1300 Posts
I'll be able to solve this myself, I'm pretty sure -- I just wanted to see if anyone else had similar situations and what they went through or did to resolve it. | ||
v1rtu0so
United States140 Posts
This is not an ego problem. I myself developed a similar problem as I entered university, which happens to be a top school, making it harder to keep up with others with this kind of problem. Here's what I try to do. I keep a flowchart of concrete steps to get me working and keep working. For example, 1)Try to keep a good pace of working and feeling accomplishment if not 2) Sit down, rationalize that not slacking off will lead not only to better life, but way less stress and guilt in the long term -- it is the logical thing to do in any sense therefore, force myself to a) stop what i am doing right now b) put the distractors away, put on music that helps u focus etc c) JUST DO IT d)try to enjoy feeling of accomplishment and habitualize What i do is to keep this flowchart and force myself to reference it whenever I am procrastinating etc. It is also important that you update and modify it as u see fit, as you change etc This is not a panacea -- I still have a lot of motivation/procratinating issues -- but it helps and hopefully I can develop a solid habit eventually from it. | ||
Muirhead
United States556 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + EDIT: OK I wrote this when I was feeling very emotional and I said some things in stupid ways. I'm just trying to be honest because this is an issue that has really caused me tremendous pain. | ||
CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
I got to college and found adderall, which I was prescribed for about 5 years. I stopped taking it about 3 weeks ago. My time on adderal gave me a chance to improve myself. For me, I discovered it was because I was too concerned with myself, my thoughts, and how I felt. I'd rather lay there and have thoughts and feel how I felt than be engaged in doing something that honestly seemed mostly pointless in the first place. Here is how you deal with that: forget about yourself. just do whatever it is you have an inkling of desire to do, and don't stop. stop caring so much about how you feel. put the entirety of your focus on the task at hand. if you stop, without a good reason, your focus probably went back to how you feel. | ||
TiMbeRWoLf
United States30 Posts
so I end up wasting time anyways | ||
Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
Dude.. you go to MIT... I really doubt someone who goes to MIT has personal experience with anything like the OP is talking about. unless they are taking ADD meds or something Not trying to be mean though... I realize everyone has problems... but I think my point still stands | ||
gunsharp
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v1rtu0so
United States140 Posts
problem is, once i acutally try to start work; i always try to put it off and even when i actually start, have a lot of difficulty focusing on it for more than 20 min that is at least how it is for me and travis, i go to a school that is as "elite" as mit yet i can't get over this problem..so it is def. possible; it could be because we have high expectations and capacity but are not disciplined enough to actually carry thorurgh what we we should do in theory...leading to extreme frustration/stress and a downward spiral | ||
udgnim
United States8024 Posts
my solution was to force myself to go to the library and stay there. you might be doing nothing for 30 minutes to an hour but eventually there is going to come a time where sheer boredom overwhelms laziness to study I still had a problem getting myself to the library though, but I was a whole lot more productive whenever I did manage to get myself into a library. in terms of an actual fix of psychological state, I don't have one. it's really something that has to come from within. a desire to become and stay motivated toward a goal. some people have it innately and want to constantly improve and move up in the world. others are easily satisfied with what they have and keep things simple, and thus, remain unmotivated. | ||
Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
On August 01 2009 07:25 Muirhead wrote: The spoiler below is my story, which I originally wrote as a wall of text. Read it if you feel like it. The main thing I wanted to communicate is not to be terrified of mental help. We all have your problem to varying degrees and with varying causes, and some people are indeed just lazy. But getting out of a cycle of procrastination is not easy, and I'd ask you to consider help before rejecting it outright. Ask yourself how many years you can go on like this and whether you really can expect change this next semester. + Show Spoiler + I developed a similar problem in junior year of high school. When my first girlfriend dumped me at the end of sophomore year I reacted by working 24/7 on math for a summer. I went through MOSP in June and in July and August I read 7-8 books and finished the core of the undergraduate math curriculum. But when I got back to high school and saw tons of girls around me I got lonely as fuck and started lashing out at my parents and crying all the time. I lost all motivation to do anything but stare at the wall and grow increasingly angry. My parents forced me to see a psychologist but I rejected his attempts to help. I didn't feel comfortable being forced to see someone. I was still getting As in my high school classes by scribbling homework down during lunch or on bus rides, and I think this helped me hide from the magnitude of the problem. I convinced my parents to let me drop out of high school and "homeschool." I spent my days at the local state university even though I was not an official student. I ceased being able to write anything. When I was assigned an essay I would stare blankly at the wall for hours instead of doing it. I worked for months with a professor and came up with some detailed original research, solving a conjecture that had been open for 10 years. The professor wanted to publish the results. First, he wanted me to write up my work carefully so that he could check it over. I couldn't write. I spent the rest of the year avoiding the professor who had been so kind to me. I didn't answer his emails and I was terrified I'd run into him on the street. When I got to MIT this fall I was excited by the change of atmosphere. I took a political science course and I wrote essays for it. But towards the end of the term I saw a girl I had a tremendous crush on kissing some other guy. All of a sudden I couldn't write the final paper. I would just stare at the wall and not write anything. The final paper was worth 60% of the grade, so the TA begged me to write something. He told me I had submitted the best short essays he had ever seen in 3 years of TAing the class. He emailed me for months asking me to submit something late. My grades in other classes slipped. The graduate math courses at MIT were harder than anything I took at the state school, and I couldn't afford to be wasting time staring at walls while trying to write essays. I stayed up every night at home over Christmas break until I fell asleep from exhaustion at 4AM, promising myself I would write the thing. I told my parents I was playing Starcraft but in reality I was just staring at a blank Microsoft word page. Sometimes I would cry and sometimes I would feel completely comatose. I never finished the essay. The professor give me a C anyways, on the back of my previous work. The first semester at MIT is pass/fail, so I had a perfect record. I spent the little time that was left before the Spring semester catching up on the math I had missed. I didn't sign up for a writing course. I still had a perfect record, and just like in high school this blinded me and made me feel like I could be OK and get back on track. I met a girl in the middle of the spring semester. We talked a lot, and I was somehow able to convince her to become my girlfriend though she strongly resisted my first few advances. She was strange and incredibly frustrating in some ways. She would never initiate contact with me and trying to hug her was like trying to hug a limp doll. She told me she never had a crush in high school. She didn't understand why anyone would want to kiss and she thought it sounded revolting. Eventually she told me she thought she didn't feel anything for me and was uncomfortable dating. All of a sudden I couldn't do math. I would try to do math and wind up staring at the paper. Every night I would try to do math and often wind up crying, occasionally vomiting. I thought about killing myself a lot. My parents got a letter saying I had failed a bunch of classes. I went to the mental health people. With help, at home and away from the bad memories at school, I finished the work late. Thanks to the quality of the work and the generosity of the professors I still have straight As. If something like this happens next semester I think I will kill myself, which is why I'm working closely with the mental health people now. This post makes you sound like such a stereotypical ivy league douchebag, but with huge social problems (another stereotype of ivy leaguers). You talk about how you lack motivation and how shitty everything is and then say "ya I finished undergraduate math in high school and went to MIT and never did my work and still got A's because the stuff I actually did was so brilliant." Thanks for this. | ||
Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
On August 01 2009 12:15 v1rtu0so wrote: i feel like the motivation is there; i always know what the smart thing is to do and actually even want to carry through it, because there is a sense of accomplishment after hard work problem is, once i acutally try to start work; i always try to put it off and even when i actually start, have a lot of difficulty focusing on it for more than 20 min that is at least how it is for me and travis, i go to a school that is as "elite" as mit yet i can't get over this problem..so it is def. possible; it could be because we have high expectations and capacity but are not disciplined enough to actually carry thorurgh what we we should do in theory...leading to extreme frustration/stress and a downward spiral u can't get into a school like that without doing tons and tons of work. so no.. ur procrastination problems aren't even in the same league as some of ours. but yes I understand these sorts of problems are relative.. but when u talk about how u have these same problems... and then mention u go to an ivy league uni.. it kind of is totally fucking ridiculous to anyone who has motivational problems to the extent where they fail basic high school classes | ||
VIB
Brazil3567 Posts
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v1rtu0so
United States140 Posts
if i were like this back in high school, there is no way i would have gotten in to where i am now most of it is situational | ||
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