• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 23:03
CEST 05:03
KST 12:03
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S RO12 Preview: GuMiho, Bunny, SHIN, ByuN3The Memories We Share - Facing the Final(?) GSL39Code S RO12 Preview: Cure, Zoun, Solar, Creator4[ASL19] Finals Preview: Daunting Task30[ASL19] Ro4 Recap : The Peak15
Community News
Code S RO12 Results + RO8 Groups (2025 Season 2)3Weekly Cups (May 19-25): Hindsight is 20/20?0DreamHack Dallas 2025 - Official Replay Pack8[BSL20] RO20 Group Stage3EWC 2025 Regional Qualifiers (May 28-June 1)71
StarCraft 2
General
The SCII GOAT: A statistical Evaluation The Memories We Share - Facing the Final(?) GSL Is there a place to provide feedback for maps? Code S RO12 Results + RO8 Groups (2025 Season 2) CN community: Firefly accused of suspicious activities
Tourneys
EWC 2025 Regional Qualifiers (May 28-June 1) WardiTV Mondays RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series DreamHack Dallas 2025 Last Chance Qualifiers for OlimoLeague 2024 Winter
Strategy
[G] Darkgrid Layout Simple Questions Simple Answers [G] PvT Cheese: 13 Gate Proxy Robo
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 476 Charnel House Mutation # 475 Hard Target Mutation # 474 Futile Resistance Mutation # 473 Cold is the Void
Brood War
General
Will foreigners ever be able to challenge Koreans? BW General Discussion BGH auto balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Battle.net is not working Which player typ excels at which race or match up?
Tourneys
[ASL19] Grand Finals [BSL20] RO20 Group Stage [BSL20] RO20 Group D - Sunday 20:00 CET [BSL 2v2] ProLeague Season 3 - Friday 21:00 CET
Strategy
[G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player I am doing this better than progamers do.
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile Mechabellum Monster Hunter Wilds Nintendo Switch Thread Beyond All Reason
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
LiquidLegends to reintegrate into TL.net
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread TL Mafia Plays: Diplomacy TL Mafia: Generative Agents Showdown Survivor II: The Amazon
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Canadian Politics Mega-thread YouTube Thread US Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion!
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2025 Football Thread NHL Playoffs 2024 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Cleaning My Mechanical Keyboard How to clean a TTe Thermaltake keyboard?
TL Community
The Automated Ban List TL.net Ten Commandments
Blogs
Research study on team perfo…
TrAiDoS
I was completely wrong ab…
jameswatts
Need Your Help/Advice
Glider
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Poker
Nebuchad
Info SLEgma_12
SLEgma_12
SECOND COMMING
XenOsky
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 13790 users

ZvP 3-hatch ling all-in vs FE - Page 2

Blogs > Navane
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 All
Camlito
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Australia4040 Posts
July 15 2009 16:03 GMT
#21
On July 16 2009 00:48 ZZangDreamjOy wrote:
I have a weird 3 hatch ling build, the lings hit later, but you have an eco, and you can still break his natural.
You pump drones from 4 to 27 supply, going normal 3 hatch muta build, make a few lings to kill his probe, and make a sunken to stop scouting.
Now from 27 till 43, you pump lings with speed while teching lair/spire.
You'll hit with about 32 lings right before his sair is out, and you should have a spire coming up.

Yes that's the delayed 3 hat ling, shine[kal] used it a bit, once vs jangbi on neo harmony.
sAviOr...
LuDwig-
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Italy1143 Posts
July 15 2009 16:12 GMT
#22
i will try this one
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=120015&currentpage=98<--Search the HotBid's Post
ZZangDreamjOy
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada959 Posts
July 15 2009 17:08 GMT
#23
On July 16 2009 01:03 Camlito wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2009 00:48 ZZangDreamjOy wrote:
I have a weird 3 hatch ling build, the lings hit later, but you have an eco, and you can still break his natural.
You pump drones from 4 to 27 supply, going normal 3 hatch muta build, make a few lings to kill his probe, and make a sunken to stop scouting.
Now from 27 till 43, you pump lings with speed while teching lair/spire.
You'll hit with about 32 lings right before his sair is out, and you should have a spire coming up.

Yes that's the delayed 3 hat ling, shine[kal] used it a bit, once vs jangbi on neo harmony.

Thanks, didn't know where I saw it.
I find it works a lot better then all in 3 hatch lings, the timing is good, and that you can follow up with an actual eco.
HitEmUp
LuDwig-
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Italy1143 Posts
July 15 2009 18:30 GMT
#24
[image loading]
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=120015&currentpage=98<--Search the HotBid's Post
Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9103 Posts
July 15 2009 19:23 GMT
#25
Progamer P's generally have perfect FE building placement since they practice it for hours a day. Generally most foreign protoss (except for perhaps the top tier) do not have such perfect placement which can make 3 hatch ling all-in be a very effctive BO.
samachking
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Bahrain4949 Posts
July 15 2009 20:09 GMT
#26
On July 16 2009 02:08 ZZangDreamjOy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2009 01:03 Camlito wrote:
On July 16 2009 00:48 ZZangDreamjOy wrote:
I have a weird 3 hatch ling build, the lings hit later, but you have an eco, and you can still break his natural.
You pump drones from 4 to 27 supply, going normal 3 hatch muta build, make a few lings to kill his probe, and make a sunken to stop scouting.
Now from 27 till 43, you pump lings with speed while teching lair/spire.
You'll hit with about 32 lings right before his sair is out, and you should have a spire coming up.

Yes that's the delayed 3 hat ling, shine[kal] used it a bit, once vs jangbi on neo harmony.

Thanks, didn't know where I saw it.
I find it works a lot better then all in 3 hatch lings, the timing is good, and that you can follow up with an actual eco.


That build was actually really popular last season in Clubday MSL. Savior used it vs Bisu, Lux used it a lot vs protoss and JD used it too even vs Bisu in the GOM showmatch. The only disadvantage with this build it transitions to 4hat lurk/hydra/ling instead of the standard 5hat hydra which is used this season.
"And then Earthlings discovered tools. Suddenly agreeing with friends could be a form of suicide or worse. But agreements went on, not for the sake of common sense, or decency, or self preservation, but for friendliness."
LuDwig-
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Italy1143 Posts
July 15 2009 21:19 GMT
#27
On July 16 2009 04:23 Jonoman92 wrote:
Progamer P's generally have perfect FE building placement since they practice it for hours a day. Generally most foreign protoss (except for perhaps the top tier) do not have such perfect placement which can make 3 hatch ling all-in be a very effctive BO.



<---he got the answers
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=120015&currentpage=98<--Search the HotBid's Post
Revabug
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United Kingdom147 Posts
July 15 2009 22:33 GMT
#28
Yeah I don't think it's too good of a strategy in ZvP because of how scrutinized building placement in FE situations is - it's one of the first things new PvZers learn.

But in ZvT I think it's extremely deadly..
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-15 23:46:06
July 15 2009 23:45 GMT
#29
On July 16 2009 04:23 Jonoman92 wrote:
Progamer P's generally have perfect FE building placement since they practice it for hours a day. Generally most foreign protoss (except for perhaps the top tier) do not have such perfect placement which can make 3 hatch ling all-in be a very effctive BO.

yeah, i really need to fix my awful habit of improvising the placement every time lol
Shauni
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
4077 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-16 00:02:39
July 15 2009 23:55 GMT
#30
On July 16 2009 04:23 Jonoman92 wrote:
Progamer P's generally have perfect FE building placement since they practice it for hours a day. Generally most foreign protoss (except for perhaps the top tier) do not have such perfect placement which can make 3 hatch ling all-in be a very effctive BO.


However, some maps and some positions makes it viable to do 3 hatch ling regardless of perfect wall. For example, 12 o clock on destination is impossible to have a really good simcity on, resulting in more people do this kind of build when you spawn at 12. Almost every korean zerg I play do this 3 hatch ling before mutas there.

Well, destination might have been a bad example since it's only difficult simcity well relative to the 6 o clock position. But say 12 o clock python, all rush hour positions and so on. 3 hatch ling might still be useful there even though you have 'perfect' placement.
I'm taking whatever coverage I can get, because frankly, I'm busy working on this million dollar deal at my job. Early retirement is a good thing brotha man. - MessengerASL
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-17 01:03:51
July 17 2009 01:02 GMT
#31
On July 16 2009 02:08 ZZangDreamjOy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2009 01:03 Camlito wrote:
On July 16 2009 00:48 ZZangDreamjOy wrote:
I have a weird 3 hatch ling build, the lings hit later, but you have an eco, and you can still break his natural.
You pump drones from 4 to 27 supply, going normal 3 hatch muta build, make a few lings to kill his probe, and make a sunken to stop scouting.
Now from 27 till 43, you pump lings with speed while teching lair/spire.
You'll hit with about 32 lings right before his sair is out, and you should have a spire coming up.

Yes that's the delayed 3 hat ling, shine[kal] used it a bit, once vs jangbi on neo harmony.

Thanks, didn't know where I saw it.
I find it works a lot better then all in 3 hatch lings, the timing is good, and that you can follow up with an actual eco.



Liquipedia plz ^^

(I mean theoretically I could add it as well but since I just read about this bo it would seem kinda silly)
beep boop
Prev 1 2 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 7h 57m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Nina 224
RuFF_SC2 130
ProTech71
Ketroc 31
StarCraft: Brood War
Artosis 1113
Icarus 5
Dota 2
monkeys_forever656
League of Legends
JimRising 1403
Super Smash Bros
C9.Mang0569
Mew2King207
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor155
Other Games
summit1g13434
tarik_tv12435
FrodaN5956
shahzam815
ViBE319
Maynarde299
WinterStarcraft254
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1038
BasetradeTV163
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH309
• Hupsaiya 71
• davetesta60
• practicex 4
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• sooper7s
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• RayReign 2
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
League of Legends
• Lourlo852
• Stunt188
Upcoming Events
Wardi Open
7h 57m
Replay Cast
20h 57m
Replay Cast
1d 6h
PiGosaur Monday
1d 20h
Bellum Gens Elite
2 days
The PondCast
3 days
Bellum Gens Elite
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Bellum Gens Elite
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
[ Show More ]
CranKy Ducklings
5 days
SC Evo League
5 days
Bellum Gens Elite
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
SOOP
6 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
AllThingsProtoss
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-05-28
DreamHack Dallas 2025
Heroes 10 EU

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL 2v2 Season 3
BSL Season 20
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
NPSL S3
Rose Open S1
CSL Season 17: Qualifier 1
2025 GSL S2
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
ECL Season 49: Europe
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025
YaLLa Compass Qatar 2025
PGL Bucharest 2025
BLAST Open Spring 2025

Upcoming

CSL Season 17: Qualifier 2
CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
Copa Latinoamericana 4
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLAN 2025
K-Championship
SEL Season 2 Championship
Esports World Cup 2025
HSC XXVII
Championship of Russia 2025
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2025
Murky Cup #2
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.