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I find your ideas kind of interesting but rather generic. Good post though, and some of the things you said made me think.
+ Show Spoiler +On May 13 2009 12:07 D4EMON wrote:
I was a Christian for the majority of my life, but I don't believe in God anymore. My parents do though, as well as a couple of my friends--they ask me why I don't go to church anymore.
I dont know why but this part makes you sound ~13.
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My belief is that religion was created merely to explain the world around us. As mankind slowly evolved foresight and the concept of a "future", the developing languages enabled us to create abstract concepts. Humans, being inquisitive, wondered why natural phenonom around us happen. I believe that is why early religion focuses mostly on Sun Gods and that sort of thing.
Then as civilisation became more advanced people started to develop morales. At the same time scientific processes of investigation were starting to be used to explain the world. So overtime the explanatory aspects of religion were lessened while the issues regarding morales were more prominent. This leads to things like the 10 commandments and karma.
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"I am afraid we are not rid of God because we still believe in grammar".
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I heard an idea once that God was just a concept created by society to facilitate our innate desire for a protector.
Yes...but the Christian God is also a Father, Friend not just a protector.
That is, as children we're looked after by beings that seem to have limitless power that can protect us from anything, at some point however, we learn that even they can't protect us from death.
Your point.
To paraphrase another dead person: religion is the opium of the people, and to deny it is to demand the truth.
Prove to me God doesn't and can't exist.
You can't disprove something that's not able to be proved.
This is why religion is 99.99% faith.
I'm still wondering why people even bother to make these topics.
On a side note, were you catholic?
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konadora
Singapore66155 Posts
Question to think about as a Logics student: Is believing in God true belief?
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On May 13 2009 12:38 b3h47pte wrote:Show nested quote +I heard an idea once that God was just a concept created by society to facilitate our innate desire for a protector. Yes...but the Christian God is also a Father, Friend not just a protector. Show nested quote +That is, as children we're looked after by beings that seem to have limitless power that can protect us from anything, at some point however, we learn that even they can't protect us from death. Your point. Show nested quote +To paraphrase another dead person: religion is the opium of the people, and to deny it is to demand the truth. Prove to me God doesn't and can't exist. You can't disprove something that's not able to be proved. This is why religion is 99.99% faith. I'm still wondering why people even bother to make these topics. On a side note, were you catholic? So, you can't prove what you think, and you're angry at him for not being able to prove what he thinks?
Look. You didn't even put a question mark after "your point". You don't want him to answer. You don't want to know what he thinks, you just want to yell at him.
Edit: What the heck is that a picture of?
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You guys believe whatever you want to, as much as you want to, whenever you want to.
Nobody cares.
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I'm not yelling at him. ;\
I'm sorry I can't sufficiently put feeling into an internet post. And I know I can't prove what I think. He's saying he doesn't believe in God anymore. In other words, i'm asking why and then he brings up the point of saying denying religion is to seek the truth, aka religion is a lie. Ok, then prove why my religion and my belief in God is wrong.
You didn't even put a question mark after "your point". You don't want him to answer.
I'm sorry. Do you want a question mark? Your point?
I do what him to expand because i'm curious why I should care if I realized that my God doesn't protect me from death? Is that all I want? To not die? That would be nice but acutally I think I would want to die after some 70-80 years.
On May 13 2009 12:53 EsX_Raptor wrote:You guys believe whatever you want to, as much as you want to, whenever you want to. Nobody cares. + Show Spoiler +
qft ;\
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On May 13 2009 12:38 b3h47pte wrote:Show nested quote +I heard an idea once that God was just a concept created by society to facilitate our innate desire for a protector. Yes...but the Christian God is also a Father, Friend not just a protector. Show nested quote +That is, as children we're looked after by beings that seem to have limitless power that can protect us from anything, at some point however, we learn that even they can't protect us from death. Your point. Show nested quote +To paraphrase another dead person: religion is the opium of the people, and to deny it is to demand the truth. Prove to me God doesn't and can't exist. You can't disprove something that's not able to be proved. This is why religion is 99.99% faith. I'm still wondering why people even bother to make these topics. On a side note, were you catholic?
You can't disprove something that's not able to be proved.
This is why religion is 99.99% faith.
I'm still wondering why people even bother to make these topics.
first of all your argument here is elementary because it really offers nothing interesting.
also, it seems you are assuming that i intended to convince somebody with the post when i was merely stating my thoughts like a journal. i'm wondering why you care so much? i'm assuming you believe in god so of course the topic is a sensitive point for you, in any case whether you do or you don't whining about seeing a topic you feel you've seen too much of is your own business. thanks for letting me know by the way.
Yes...but the Christian God is also a Father, Friend not just a protector.
You're just restating what i already wrote, a father by implication is a parent, and a parent is what i was referring to. from that i can tell that you didn't really read the post but you just skimmed it and were quick to judging it before thinking about it, which explains your cliche'd response.
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I've read the Bhagavad Gita and I'm pretty sure that your interpretation of Hinduism is incorrect. The goal of "getting out of the cycle" isn't to cease to exist, but to achieve Atman, which is unifying one's soul with the greater omniscent being. Thus, the soul transcends above the mortal realm and becomes one with the gods, receiving great enlightment and happiness. You in essence return your soul to the world and become a part of everybody and everything. This is actually the reverse of ceasing to exist. So Hinduism isn't that far off from Christianity in that they both offer an eternal reward of happiness if you are good enough.
And yeah, so you can probably see then that Hinduism doesn't imply that existence is a curse and must be striven against. It's all about altering your existence within this cycle of reincarnation until you can break free of it.
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On May 13 2009 12:55 Insane Lane wrote:
I've read the Bhagavad Gita and I'm pretty sure that your interpretation of Hinduism is incorrect. The goal of "getting out of the cycle" isn't to cease to exist, but to achieve Atman, which is unifying one's soul with the greater omniscent being. Thus, the soul transcends above the mortal realm and becomes one with the gods, receiving great enlightment and happiness. You in essence return your soul to the world and become a part of everybody and everything. This is actually the reverse of ceasing to exist. So Hinduism isn't that far off from Christianity in that they both offer an eternal reward of happiness if you are good enough.
And yeah, so you can probably see then that Hinduism doesn't imply that existence is a curse and must be striven against. It's all about altering your existence within this cycle of reincarnation until you can break free of it.
i was referring to the idea of being taken out of the universe to never be born again as an isolated instance. perhaps i didn't explain it well enough, but it's something i studied a lot in my philosophy of religion class.
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Kentor
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Faith (or lack of) in a religion means something different for everyone. Whether you end up choosing some other religion because it better describes your beliefs or are just satisfied without any codified system is up to you.
I see you invoking Freud and Marx. Perhaps you should look into more projection theories of God, like Feuerbach. In a nutshell, we as humans are unable to come to terms with our own potential for ultimate good (and perhaps ultimate evil), so we project our own greatest qualities onto an imaginary being who then returns these qualities in the form of gifts/rewards.
I think that most of the talk about what to believe, though, is irrelevant. More important in this critical period is deciding how you're going to live your life with respect to your beliefs, and letting your family know. I mean, it would be a good thing if they supported your decision, but ultimately it's your life if they can't come to terms with it.
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On May 13 2009 12:53 b3h47pte wrote:I'm not yelling at him. ;\ I'm sorry I can't sufficiently put feeling into an internet post. And I know I can't prove what I think. He's saying he doesn't believe in God anymore. In other words, i'm asking why and then he brings up the point of saying denying religion is to seek the truth, aka religion is a lie. Ok, then prove why my religion and my belief in God is wrong. Show nested quote +You didn't even put a question mark after "your point". You don't want him to answer. I'm sorry. Do you want a question mark? Your point? I do what him to expand because i'm curious why I should care if I realized that my God doesn't protect me from death? Is that all I want? To not die? That would be nice but acutally I think I would want to die after some 70-80 years. qft ;\ At least I get a question mark.
That's more like it.
I don't know if your religion is right or wrong, but what this dude is saying is that you have to think about these problems. You CAN just believe in the Bible unquestioningly, but that would be against the idea of seeking truth, which is that you consider your beliefs and do philosophy yourself.
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Though I never believed in God, I have been questioning the things I believed in. I think in the long run it helps out (unless you over think it).
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The whole idea of the catholic faith is "life everlasting" "eternal life with god the father" =\ It really is a security blanket to continue your human existence beyond death. And you did sound like a douchebag.
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"Jesus Christ I'm not scared to die
But I'm a little bit scared of what comes after."
- Jesse Lacey
Exactly how I feel; I'm agnostic or some what atheist at times. A lot of my friends go to church and so do my parents and they also wonder why I don't go. It's been like six years since I have stepped foot into a church, but I don't let them know just yet. I feel like theres really no one there, and it makes me scared of what happens after I die. Which is the reason why my agnosticism comes in and allows me to believe that there is some other forms of life after death, E.G: reincarnation, heaven or hell, ghost?!... I'm not really scared of dying at all... I have wished it upon myself plenty of times, but it just frightens me of what really happens after.
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I'm taking a class at my university right now...a mixed undergrad/graduate philosophy class on religion. Our professor is an atheist, but finds religion, and Christianity in particular, fascinating.
In any case, he said something the other day that totally blew my mind.
He brought up this recently deceased Cal Tech professor who helped develop the modern number theory being used right now (I can't remember his name). Anyway, his contributions to number theory helped to set the groundwork for modern mathematics and even philosophical logic as it is used today.
My professor talked about how philosophers love to write about what numbers are...what they are, really. Not just the numeral, the representation we use for them in written language, but the actual number itself. However, this deceased Cal Tech physicist (I think he was actually a physicist, not a mathematician) was once quoted saying something along the lines of, "I don't know what numbers are, but I live among them".
It's an interesting analogy that has given me quite a bit to think about. Existence of God or god or whatever is really not all that important of an issue in the end. There are many more and many more interesting things to talk about once you can get around that.
I dunno, I just glossed on it very briefly right now...what he actually said was a lot more insightful. lol.
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On May 13 2009 14:07 PH wrote:
I'm taking a class at my university right now...a mixed undergrad/graduate philosophy class on religion. Our professor is an atheist, but finds religion, and Christianity in particular, fascinating.
In any case, he said something the other day that totally blew my mind.
He brought up this recently deceased Cal Tech professor who helped develop the modern number theory being used right now (I can't remember his name). Anyway, his contributions to number theory helped to set the groundwork for modern mathematics and even philosophical logic as it is used today.
My professor talked about how philosophers love to write about what numbers are...what they are, really. Not just the numeral, the representation we use for them in written language, but the actual number itself. However, this deceased Cal Tech physicist (I think he was actually a physicist, not a mathematician) was once quoted saying something along the lines of, "I don't know what numbers are, but I live among them".
It's an interesting analogy that has given me quite a bit to think about. Existence of God or god or whatever is really not all that important of an issue in the end. There are many more and many more interesting things to talk about once you can get around that.
I dunno, I just glossed on it very briefly right now...what he actually said was a lot more insightful. lol.
I would actually like to hear more about this! You left me drooling for more 
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