EPTI think he's on to something here guys
How I Believe in God - Page 9
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I think he's on to something here guys | ||
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Samurai-
Slovenia2035 Posts
sunyveil:  ))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) | ||
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niteReloaded
Croatia5282 Posts
On March 29 2009 21:31 Samurai- wrote: Ah.. So thats it.. You need to learn how to filter.. You need to read the bible, and filter all the nonsense bullshit ( Like the whole book) to really grasp the human part of it.. If you are a happy Christian and it works for you, continue doing what works. | ||
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Samurai-
Slovenia2035 Posts
On March 29 2009 21:38 niteReloaded wrote: If you are a happy Christian and it works for you, continue doing what works. I am sure all those victims to crusades really appreciated the happiness and the part about humanity.. I mean, it certainly worked for them ( crusaders) . | ||
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niteReloaded
Croatia5282 Posts
Thought for a second you're objecting my filtering of the Holy book. They probly weren't happy about it, but it had to happen. Such was the state of consciousness at that time. | ||
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Samurai-
Slovenia2035 Posts
On March 29 2009 21:44 niteReloaded wrote: Oh, you're against Christianity..? Thought for a second you're objecting my filtering of the Holy book. They probly weren't happy about it, but it had to happen. Such was the state of consciousness at that time. I am against religion, and its really hard, being so many of you, all stating that YOU have the right religion and all other are false religions. So many gods.. I wonder if there is enough space in the clouds.. | ||
micronesia
United States24772 Posts
On March 29 2009 21:47 Samurai- wrote: I am against religion, and its really hard, being so many of you, all stating that YOU have the right religion and all other are false religions. So many gods.. I wonder if there is enough space in the clouds.. I don't understand this post. What is really really hard? If you are against all religions, then what does it matter if the practitioners of certain ones claim that theirs is the right one? | ||
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niteReloaded
Croatia5282 Posts
I think any smart person will agree that there obviously is something that we still havent quite grasped with out minds. If anything, the universe had to be born of something. Before the big bang, before the earliest thing we've so far discovered. The most advanced physics is often on the borderline with spirituality from what I know. Anyway, about 'many gods', even the open-minded Christians will agree that there's only one God, and that all religions are in fact talking about the same thing. | ||
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0xDEADBEEF
Germany1235 Posts
On March 29 2009 19:29 Mada_Jiang wrote: I pray that God will continue to reveal more of him self to you and that you will grow in what God has planned for you. Everyone wants that, to finally have an answer. And yet he'll never reveal himself. Guess why? Oh right, it's because he doesn't want to interfere. And if he "reveals" himself to you, for some strange reason only you will notice it, no one else, and you won't have any solid proof in your hand that it actually was God's doing. Like GreyArea did in his post... associating positive events in your life with God's doing although that situation was totally standard and almost everyone, religious or not, has experienced that in his life at some point. Oh right, *this* was something totally different. Yeah, sure. If you are angry because of a bad experience you have had in your life, it will not have peace by belittling others, winning an argument, or unloading your angry on others. You might be able to temporarily satisfy your ego, but emptiness will follow. So one can't belittle others who are posting stupid things because it's not about pointing out stupidity but instead only for boosting one's ego? Damn... solid defense there. | ||
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micronesia
United States24772 Posts
On March 29 2009 21:57 niteReloaded wrote: Actually it's a good idea for us to be clear in what we mean. It's so easy to you use words like 'believer' and not be clear if we mean someone who has some kind of spiritual beliefs, or someone who participates in a certain religion (such as Christianity).Being against religion is ok, but what I believe now can't really be called religion, it's more like believing there's a spiritual component of the world. I think any smart person will agree that there obviously is something that we still havent quite grasped with out minds. I don't like this statement. First of all pick a better word than smart...Also, what do you mean there is 'something' we haven't grasped about our minds? What kind of thing? A spiritual thing? Or just anything? Because we are still studying the mind constantly, if by mind you mean brain. Also, what do you mean by 'grasped'? If anything, the universe had to be born of something. Before the big bang, before the earliest thing we've so far discovered. Interesting, reasonable topic. Not proof of anything, but worth investigating. The most advanced physics is often on the borderline with spirituality from what I know. What do you mean?Anyway, about 'many gods', even the open-minded Christians will agree that there's only one God, and that all religions are in fact talking about the same thing. There is something majorly wrong with this..."even the open-minded Christians will agree that there's only one God" wat? All religions are talking about the same thing? What point were you trying to make? | ||
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Samurai-
Slovenia2035 Posts
On March 29 2009 21:55 micronesia wrote: I don't understand this post. What is really really hard? If you are against all religions, then what does it matter if the practitioners of certain ones claim that theirs is the right one? Its really hard to listen of many different bullshit stories comming out of their mouth.. If you are against all religions, then what does it matter if the practitioners of certain ones claim that theirs is the right one Are you kidding me? Because they say others are false.. And i ve heard that there are around 40 thousand different sects... And i think it was arround 0,02 % that you might have the right one, if you actually eat the "god exists bull".. 0,02% that you have the right religion ? lol | ||
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micronesia
United States24772 Posts
On March 29 2009 22:05 Samurai- wrote: Its really hard to listen of many different bullshit stories comming out of their mouth.. Are you kidding me? Because they say others are false.. And i ve heard that there are around 40 thousand different sects... And i think it was arround 0,02 % that you might have the right one, if you actually eat the "god exists bull".. 0,02% that you have the right religion ? lol I don't think you are understanding me. I'm not saying you do or don't have a good point about religion varying so much. I'm just saying, if you personally disagree with the people of all religions when they talk about their religion, then what they are actually saying about their religion doesn't matter. edit: I also lack sympathy about how hard it is to listen to 'bullshit stories' come out of their mouth. I think you only have the right to sympathy when you are actually trying to go about improving the problem rather than adding fuel to the flames. | ||
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Samurai-
Slovenia2035 Posts
I'm just saying, if you personally disagree with the people of all religions when they talk about their religion, then what they are actually saying about their religion doesn't matter. what? If i talk to a christian, it matters what they say about their own religion.. If i talk to a guy from islam, it matters what they say abut their own religion.. It matters.. I disagree with the people of all religions because not one religion makes sense.. When one x religion makes sense, i will say i disagree with all religion but x. Listen to this.. Comeon, god strike him down please.. | ||
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micronesia
United States24772 Posts
On March 29 2009 22:17 Samurai- wrote: what? If i talk to a christian, it matters what they say about their own religion.. If i talk to a guy from islam, it matters what they say abut their own religion.. It matters.. I disagree with the people of all religions because not one religion makes sense.. When one x religion makes sense, i will say i disagree with all religion but x. Listen to this.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp3Eam5FX58 Comeon, god strike him down please.. Actually I liked that video. OH MY GOD YOU WIFEBEATER! Actually no. Think about it... if a place doesn't have the same cultural values as where you live, then just suddenly telling them to completely change their ways is tough, even if you are their religious leader or whoever. But what he does in that video is impose extremely strict rules on what can't be done. If you follow those rules, the potential crimes towards your wife are actually not as bad as you think (if you read carefully). I'm hoping that the speaker in that video wouldn't hit his wife at all, but realizes that he can prevent more abuse by putting strict rules on it and claiming that's what the deity wants, than by saying you just shouldn't do it. Ideally we can reach a time where everyone watching that video is expected never to hurt their wife at all (personally I believe there is no time for hitting to be 'allowable' within families short of defense and possibly very minor smacks on the rear end for specific types of discipline, but that's a whole different argument that goes through tl every year). But that video isn't going to make it happen. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On March 29 2009 22:05 Samurai- wrote: Are you kidding me? Because they say others are false.. And i ve heard that there are around 40 thousand different sects... And i think it was arround 0,02 % that you might have the right one, if you actually eat the "god exists bull".. 0,02% that you have the right religion ? lol You're trying to generalize something about religion from the people that follow it. It's not entirely correct. Just because people who have a faith do stupid, closed-minded things doesn't mean that religion is a stupid, closed-minded way of thought. Arguably, those people would be doing stupid, closed-minded things anyway, whether or not they had a faith to go by. In a way, they're misusing their religion by using it as an excuse to harangue others. Personally, I believe faith in a god is a very important thing to have. The OP presents an example of why. There are certain quandaries that, at the basic level of human thought, are intractable. Whether or not you've ever reached that limit of your rational or moral thought depends on your interest in that sort of thing, but such a limit DOES exist. Religion is a way to help address that limit, and it does so regardless of whether or not your religion is "right" or "wrong". On the other hand, I do think its a very conceited way of thinking to believe that a god would have any reason to intervene in the affairs of one's daily life. You're one of several billion human beings, which themselves are one of the unknown number of species in this universe. Why should any given action that you perform move god in any way? | ||
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Chef
10810 Posts
Personally, I believe faith in a god is a very important thing to have. The OP presents an example of why. There are certain quandaries that, at the basic level of human thought, are intractable. Whether or not you've ever reached that limit of your rational or moral thought depends on your interest in that sort of thing, but such a limit DOES exist. Religion is a way to help address that limit, and it does so regardless of whether or not your religion is "right" or "wrong". Couldn't that be achieved with basic optimism in the absence of spiritual faith? I also dislike when people compare religion to a moral compass. Religion is more like a moral old map. Sometimes you're trying to follow that map and you come to a place that doesn't even exist on the map cause it was built after the map was drawn. A moral compass is something within every non-sociopathic human being that allows him or her to feel empathy and consideration, and it works with or without the dirty map. Only if your faith allows you to update that map constantly can it ever be remotely useful. Most of the faiths I've seen change very, very slowly. | ||
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MoltkeWarding
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Consider Love; the necessary ingredient for human existence. Can it be discovered or achieved absent of faith? | ||
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micronesia
United States24772 Posts
On March 30 2009 01:11 MoltkeWarding wrote: What type of love?Consider Love ; the necessary ingredient for human existence. How is it? Can it be discovered or achieved absent of faith? What do you mean by faith, and what does faith have to do with it? | ||
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Chef
10810 Posts
Consider Love; the necessary ingredient for human existence. Can it be discovered or achieved absent of faith? It's a relationship based on trust, and risk, but it's a mandatory risk if one wants to ever have children. Most people recognize they could be cheated on, and hurt, and all that stuff. I think you can hardly say that's anything like faith in the divine. It's just taking risks you have to take (like presuming you're not schizophrenic, and all your physical senses are real). | ||
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MoltkeWarding
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What do you mean by faith, and what does faith have to do with it? This question can only be of interest to a pedant. Love requires impulsive trust and confidence in the object of your feelings. In a relationship between two people, one intuitively knows that the other loves them, but their knowledge is founded completely on faith. Skepticism destroys love between two people just as it destroys communal confidence. | ||
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