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404.Nintu
Canada1723 Posts
Is it a wise decision to go 9800 GT, about 250$, and then say an AMD X2 5800+ for about 80$? Are these upgrades a good concept or will they be limited by Ram/Mobo. Also, Instead of upgrading to a new computer with DDR2, would it be worth it to just compensate by throwing in a gig or 2 more of DDR1 in this rig? Also, I'm on XP, so I assume 2gigs is enough ram. REALLY appreciate all the help so far. | ||
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T.O.P.
Hong Kong4685 Posts
On March 25 2009 11:19 404.Nintu wrote: okay so I'm thinking of just getting the 9800GT and seeing how things go. Another quick question: Is it worth it to upgrade the CPU on this current Mobo? If I get the gfx card and then later decide on a cpu aswell, will the CPU be limited by my mobo? I hear things like front-side bus and cache and junk like that. Is it a wise decision to go 9800 GT, about 250$, and then say an AMD X2 5800+ for about 80$? Are these upgrades a good concept or will they be limited by Ram/Mobo. Also, Instead of upgrading to a new computer with DDR2, would it be worth it to just compensate by throwing in a gig or 2 more of DDR1 in this rig? Also, I'm on XP, so I assume 2gigs is enough ram. REALLY appreciate all the help so far. I wouldn't upgrade the cpu because your setup is so old. Try getting a video card first. The 9800 GT only costs $100 dollars in newegg. The ATI 4830 is available for $80 dollars. The 4830 offers better performance in some games while tying with 9800GT with others. | ||
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SwaY-
Dominican Republic463 Posts
 im planning on buying some new stuff soon too, getting ready for SC2 and im gonna have to save some money.+1 | ||
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MeriaDoKk
Chile1726 Posts
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IzzyCraft
United States4487 Posts
On March 25 2009 12:01 T.O.P. wrote: I wouldn't upgrade the cpu because your setup is so old. Try getting a video card first. The 9800 GT only costs $100 dollars in newegg. The ATI 4830 is available for $80 dollars. The 4830 offers better performance in some games while tying with 9800GT with others. He can't he has DDR ram means he has 393 socket which AMD 5800 isn't a 393 socket SC2 will be cpu heavy because it's an rts game usues more of the cpu so you may consider getting a new cpu but to do that it would be a 3 parter cpu ram and mobo. | ||
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SwaY-
Dominican Republic463 Posts
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On March 25 2009 12:34 SwaY- wrote: Izzy which new CPU would you consider best bang for your buck atm, just for SC2. Either intel/AMD, dont have a preference. I used a Pentium D(lol I know its bad) but I just really played wow and lesser demanding games. WAIT UNTIL SC2 BEFORE BUYING A SC2 COMPUTER WAIT UNTIL SC2 BEFORE BUYING A SC2 COMPUTER WAIT UNTIL SC2 BEFORE BUYING A SC2 COMPUTER WAIT UNTIL SC2 BEFORE BUYING A SC2 COMPUTER WAIT UNTIL SC2 BEFORE BUYING A SC2 COMPUTER WAIT UNTIL SC2 BEFORE BUYING A SC2 COMPUTER WAIT UNTIL SC2 BEFORE BUYING A SC2 COMPUTER WAIT UNTIL SC2 BEFORE BUYING A SC2 COMPUTER WAIT UNTIL SC2 BEFORE BUYING A SC2 COMPUTER Whatever's the best bang for the buck atm is irrelevant because you should be WAITING UNTIL SC2 BEFORE BUYING A SC2 COMPUTER. | ||
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SwaY-
Dominican Republic463 Posts
On March 25 2009 12:45 Jibba wrote: WAIT UNTIL SC2 BEFORE BUYING A SC2 COMPUTER WAIT UNTIL SC2 BEFORE BUYING A SC2 COMPUTER WAIT UNTIL SC2 BEFORE BUYING A SC2 COMPUTER WAIT UNTIL SC2 BEFORE BUYING A SC2 COMPUTER WAIT UNTIL SC2 BEFORE BUYING A SC2 COMPUTER WAIT UNTIL SC2 BEFORE BUYING A SC2 COMPUTER WAIT UNTIL SC2 BEFORE BUYING A SC2 COMPUTER WAIT UNTIL SC2 BEFORE BUYING A SC2 COMPUTER WAIT UNTIL SC2 BEFORE BUYING A SC2 COMPUTER Whatever's the best bang for the buck atm is irrelevant because you should be WAITING UNTIL SC2 BEFORE BUYING A SC2 COMPUTER. No  , my CPU is frying as we speak. And I have waited long enough, that was the plan originally but I have come to need a new comp(been waiting for years to change my comp stalling because of SC2)... and we're close enough, beta is just around the corner. | ||
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T.O.P.
Hong Kong4685 Posts
On March 25 2009 12:25 MeriaDoKk wrote: You guys think a HD4650 could run sc2? Yes, it will run sc2 for sure. | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On March 25 2009 12:48 SwaY- wrote: No , my CPU is frying as we speak. And I have waited long enough, that was the plan originally but I have come to need a new comp(been waiting for years to change my comp stalling because of SC2)... and we're close enough, beta is just around the corner.And have you gotten into the beta? | ||
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ghermination
United States2851 Posts
right now she's running AMD Sempron @ 2.20 1GB RAM Diamond Radeon HD 2400 256MB 2x Generic 80 gig hard drives (7200 RPM) yes, this is a standard computer of 3 or 4 years ago. It has served her fine and probably will serve her fine for a while, but she wants to play sc2. Therefore, here are the upgrades i'm planning on doing: AMD Sempron @ 2.20 -> AMD Athlon 64 X2 4800+ ($54.96) 1GB RAM -> 3GB RAM ($14.99) Diamond Radeon HD 2400 256MB -> XFX GeForce 8600 1GB ($59.99) = 129.94 Yes, i realise i'm upgrading from a PCI card to a PCI-E card, but her computer came with 1 PCI-E and one PCI slot. Do you think these upgrades will run SC2? should i go a little faster? | ||
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Ziph
Netherlands970 Posts
Most of the time buying a complete new pc is cheaper anyway especially when your pc is outdated like that. | ||
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xmShake
United States1100 Posts
On March 25 2009 12:34 SwaY- wrote: Izzy which new CPU would you consider best bang for your buck atm, just for SC2. Either intel/AMD, dont have a preference. I used a Pentium D(lol I know its bad) but I just really played wow and lesser demanding games. E5200 $70 at Newegg. | ||
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blabber
United States4448 Posts
yup, I'm building a computer very soon and I'm going with that CPU ^^ | ||
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SwaY-
Dominican Republic463 Posts
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ghermination
United States2851 Posts
On March 25 2009 13:28 Ziph wrote: Just buy a complete new one all these half assed upgrades, your motherboard will probably die 2weeks after starcraft 2 is released and then you will be facepalming yourself. Most of the time buying a complete new pc is cheaper anyway especially when your pc is outdated like that. for one, money is an issue here. I'm already stressed to pay 129 USD, because i make about 650USD a month, and most of that goes to food/other living expenses, not only that, the pc is perfectly stable, and i upgraded the power supply to a 500watt a couple of months ago, so there will be no problems like that. So, can anyone actually tell me if this is close to the mark? I based my upgrades off of Red Alert 3, which runs fine on a friends computer at mid settings which has almost the same specs (-1GB of RAM) | ||
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blabber
United States4448 Posts
On March 25 2009 13:49 ghermination wrote: for one, money is an issue here. I'm already stressed to pay 129 USD, because i make about 650USD a month, and most of that goes to food/other living expenses, not only that, the pc is perfectly stable, and i upgraded the power supply to a 500watt a couple of months ago, so there will be no problems like that. So, can anyone actually tell me if this is close to the mark? I based my upgrades off of Red Alert 3, which runs fine on a friends computer at mid settings which has almost the same specs (-1GB of RAM) 8600GT for $60? It'll work, but it's not exactly the best price-performance ratio. Go for the Radeon HD 4670 instead. As for the CPU, if you want to save a little more money, there's no harm in getting a little bit weaker Athlon 64 X2, you won't notice that much difference (I'm assuming you made sure that the CPU and motherboard are compatible) | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On March 25 2009 13:48 SwaY- wrote: Thanks, and no Jibba. I dont even plan on playing beta, just saying since beta is close, game is also close(as in more or less a year away )Yeah, cause computers never change in just a year. I know you have an impulse to buy now, but you shouldn't unless your computer dies. | ||
cgrinker
United States3824 Posts
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VorcePA
United States1102 Posts
On March 25 2009 08:49 404.Nintu wrote: This is such an ambiguous title. Okay so. I, like countless others, am preparing for the SC2 Beta and eventual release. Now I wanna make sure I can run it smoothly and have it still look good. Now it's been a long time since I've been into the hardware world of computers so I would just like people's opinions on whether or not I am SC2 ready. Considering how ridiculously low the specs required to run Blizzard games are, you will likely be able to look at the system requirements of Warcraft III (or World of Warcraft) and use those as a guide. Your computer should be fine as it is, but it's always a good time to tweak your system. I would prefer not having to buy a whole new rig, but hopefully just a GFX card. How much are you willing to spend? If you have some extra money to throw around, perhaps you could upgrade other parts of the computer. CPU: AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3800+ 2 cores (obviously) x10.0 multiplyer (no idea what this means) Bus speed: 200.4 mhz Would help to know what motherboard you have. Bus speed seems a bit low. You can upgrade to a 5800+ for a mere $60. That's a very significant boost for very little money. Memory: 2gig DDR Ram. Not DDR2, but I hear the difference is not too big. PC3200 (200 mhz) Ok something is definitely wrong with your speed here. DDR3200 is 333 MHz. At no additional cost to you, you should go in to the BIOS settings and change this to 333. Which setting you do that with is dependent on your BIOS software. GFX: Geforece 7600GT. Not a bad little card right there. It actually should do just fine with SC2. I'd put money on it. With your system I actually wouldn't suggest going beyond an NVidia GeForce 9800GT, as anything more powerful will go unused as the rest of the system will bottleneck it. The good manufacturers of this card (eVGA. Gigabyte, and ASUS) sell this card for about $130. Now, I remember that my processor used to be really powerful, but I'm just wondering how it will stand with a modern title. I also know that AMD's have slower clock speed but can be more powerful. WhaT I don't know is how much of the load will be on CPU and how much will be on the GFX card. It varies from game to game. Your current rig would have trouble running Crysis (which is actually a year old now), and probably could not run Far Cry 2. Both of those are graphically intensive games. You could run Unreal Tournament III, EvE Online (Premium Client), Battlefield 2142, and Left 4 Dead pretty well. Team Fortress 2 would do very well, possibly even max settings. As for my Card, I'm already prepared to get a new one since my old one is obviously ghetto. I was thinking: GeForce 9800 GTX+ OC 512MB PCI-E If you're going to stick with DDR memory, stick with my recommendation about the 9800 GT. If you want the GTX+, you would need to get a new mobo that supports DDR2 memory. DDR2 memory, now that it has reached its peak is on the road to being phased out. What that means for you is that you will be getting top-of-the-line DDR2 memory for very, very low cost. But you still have to purchase a new mobo. At that point it would be pretty much a new rig, as if you're going to upgrade the memory, you might as well upgrade the CPU, too. So everything kinda gets sticky when you talk about DDR2 memory. Despite that, it would be my recommendation to just do it. Your CPU is showing its age, your memory is practically ancient in computer age, and you want a new graphics card, anyways. Take the extra leap and grab yourself a new motherboard. AMD 64 X2 mobo's, like everything else that I mentioned upgrading, are going to be cheap as all get-out. Now 2 questions. Is it worth it to get a GFX Card like this, or is the main thing holding me back my CPU or Memory? From what you've listed so far it's your memory holding you back, and that's because it's set to a lower speed than it should be. Bring it up to 333MHz, and it will be on par with the rest of your system. Your hard drive (which you didn't mention) could also be a bottleneck if it's an older generation 5400 RPM. Secondly, how there's a Radeon that's 100 bucks cheaper and has 1024mb. I assume that the gfx memory is not as important as it sounds, considering the price difference, and that there are other factors. Unless I am wrong, and the 1024 card is superior and cheaper at the same time. That's a common misconception, one I even made with my last computer. Graphical memory is not as important as speed and other specifications. What you really want to look for is the core clock speed, memory clock speed, and stream processors. After that, what memory type (GDDR5, 3, 2, etc), and lastly: how much video memory is on it, but it's a last consideration. To make things easier: 1GB video memory is pretty much the standard nowadays. Go from there, but they have the 9800GT and GTX+ available in that memory size. I use newegg to buy virtually all of my PC parts, and the single biggest determining factor as to whether or not I buy something is customer reviews. The tech gurus like me will let me know if it's stable, runs cool, and other important things that will generally make my life easier, because I hate fucking around with a half-assed piece of hardware. On March 25 2009 11:19 404.Nintu wrote: okay so I'm thinking of just getting the 9800GT and seeing how things go. Another quick question: Is it worth it to upgrade the CPU on this current Mobo? If I get the gfx card and then later decide on a cpu aswell, will the CPU be limited by my mobo? I hear things like front-side bus and cache and junk like that. I've pretty much covered that already. I think you should get a new mobo, memory, and graphics card. Is it a wise decision to go 9800 GT, about 250$, and then say an AMD X2 5800+ for about 80$? Are these upgrades a good concept or will they be limited by Ram/Mobo. 9800GT is $130-$150 on newegg. X2 5800+ is $70 on newegg. Also, Instead of upgrading to a new computer with DDR2, would it be worth it to just compensate by throwing in a gig or 2 more of DDR1 in this rig? Also, I'm on XP, so I assume 2gigs is enough ram. REALLY appreciate all the help so far. If you do go with the 9800GT, you can just stick to DDR1 and maybe upgrade the CPU. I'm not sure how much memory XP 32-bit can see and use, but Vista 32-bit can only use 3gb. XP 32-bit may be (but also may not be) less than that. My complete recommendation: - Motherboard: ASUS AM2+/AM2 AMD 780G HDMI Micro ATX $80 - CPU: AMD Athlon 64 X2 5800+ Brisbane 3.0GHz 2 x 512KB L2 Cache Socket AM2 89W Dual-Core Processor $60 - Memory: Corsair Dominator 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit $80 - Video Card: GIGABYTE GeForce 9800 GT 1GB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 $140 - Operating System: Vista Home Premium* $100 Total cost: $460 * I swear by Vista. It's a great operating system, and people are just hung up on the issues at release. People seem to forget that XP, when it was released, was just as bad (if not worse). Almost all the original issues have been resolved. You will need a new OS if you want to make use of all four gigabytes of memory. | ||
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