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rkarhu
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Finland570 Posts
March 06 2009 19:37 GMT
#1
So, I'm thinking of buying new headphones, and I'd like you to recommend me some. I'm looking for something that covers the whole are (closed hphones), has high sound quality (the most important factor ofc), look decent (no mic) and don't cost a shitton (sub 200 dollars).

Feel free to post!

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omgbnetsux
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
United States3749 Posts
March 06 2009 19:43 GMT
#2
I like Sennheiser. I have this model:
http://www.amazon.com/Sennheiser-EH-150-Evolution-Stereo-Headphones/dp/B00067OF80/ref=pd_bbs_7?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1236368555&sr=8-7

Happy with them. There's a ton of models so I'm sure there's something that would meet your needs.
Lq_ fAn
Profile Joined June 2007
Lithuania154 Posts
March 06 2009 19:51 GMT
#3
I have those too so cheap but sounds like more expensive
Scooter
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States747 Posts
March 06 2009 19:57 GMT
#4
Sennheiser HD-555 and AKG K240S are my favorite headphones.
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rkarhu
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Finland570 Posts
March 06 2009 20:01 GMT
#5
This sounds so stupid but I'm looking for something a little bit more expensive :D. And I really don't like the headstrap on that model, it's not simplistic enough, if you know what I mean.

I mean something like this
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I've had my eyes on AKG headphones, are they any good? Any personal experiences?
Scooter
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States747 Posts
March 06 2009 20:08 GMT
#6
I'm the AKG fanboy out of my friends, so I prefer AKG headphones to Sennheisers and Audio Technicas. I like my headphones open ear and for studio/mixing/writing music, their ranges are really well balanced so it makes that easier. They also take equalization really well so you can really crank that bass if you want. I prefer the AKG K240S to the Senn HD555 and for mixing I like it even more than the 595, so any step up from that is good. Also the self-adjusting headbands feel like sex on your head.
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JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
March 06 2009 20:47 GMT
#7
I have a pair of Sennheiser HD 595s and have made few better purchases. Excellent comfort...great sound...if you can find them on sale, jump!
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Chromyne
Profile Joined January 2008
Canada561 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-06 20:57:36
March 06 2009 20:55 GMT
#8
Do you want actual closed headphones (sealed/monitor) or just headphones that cover your ears but are leak sound and allow sound in?

EDIT: the 'phones keit just posted are that ones I want >_<"
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keit
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
1584 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-06 20:59:38
March 06 2009 20:56 GMT
#9
Beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro 80 Ohm

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Deepest and most powerful bass in any unmodded headphone, and has a quite good sound which suffers a bit in the midrange though. They are closed and shuts out any environment sound, this also means they don't leak any sound so you can blow your ears out without anyone knowing (almost).

I also have the HD595, they have a bit better soundquality in general compared to the DT770 but I think the DT770's are better suited for the kind of music I listen to. They are also awesome in movies since the bass feels like mounting a subwoofer on your head. General build quality is better than the HD595's too since they don't feel as fragile.

You should probably listen to a different array of headphones since they can give a quite different sound depending if they are closed or open (headphones can cover your ear and still be open, the HD595 is open). Some might say the DT770's give a closed in sound, and yes they do compared to the HD595's but I still prefer it. Some people like closed headphones, some like open, and you gotta try a couple before deciding imo.
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Weiman
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Netherlands91 Posts
March 06 2009 21:00 GMT
#10
In this budget, the only thing you MUST do is go to a hifi store, bring a CD with your favortite music and start listening.
Klapdout
Profile Joined August 2007
United States282 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-06 21:32:53
March 06 2009 21:20 GMT
#11
as far as sealed cans go

DENON AH-D1001K would be my #1 pick at < $200 even though you can find them around $100

denons have superb sound quality for sealed cans and are very comfortable.Their noise isolation is lacking however, if thats a big issue these may not be for you, though it still does quiet things down a lot

They are a bit hard to drive also, if your planning on using them with an mp3 player/Ipod they may not be ideal





Audio-Technica ATH-A900

These have a great sound quality, very good sound stage for a sealed design and are probably the most comfortable things you will ever put on your head IF they fit, sadly their auto adjustment design only fits medium to large sized heads

you will have to do some shopping around to find these at <$200 but it can be done, these will offer the best sound quality in your price range if you can find them, and they fit your head

though they do leak a bit, like the denons





Beyerdynamic DT770 PRO

AMAZING bass, if your into movies, casual gaming or techno/rave these will probably be your cans of choice, they really bring things alive




Sennheiser HD280

GREAT noise isolation, they will really drown out anything around you no mater how loud it is, sadly they are lacking in the sound quality department, I'd say they are lower than anything else I've mentioned





AKG 271

very good isolation, not as much as the hd280, but they sound much better and are more comfortable, they will push your limit of $200 though and the sound quality isn't quite what denon offers


You didn't specify what you would be listening to so I couldn't just make a random recommendation, these are some great sealed cans in your price range so I tried to list their advantages over each other.

rkarhu
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Finland570 Posts
March 06 2009 21:22 GMT
#12
On March 07 2009 05:55 Chromyne wrote:
Do you want actual closed headphones (sealed/monitor) or just headphones that cover your ears but are leak sound and allow sound in?

EDIT: the 'phones keit just posted are that ones I want >_<"


I'm not quite sure :D. Probably ones that isolate are the ones I'm looking for.
rkarhu
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Finland570 Posts
March 06 2009 21:23 GMT
#13
On March 07 2009 06:00 Weiman wrote:
In this budget, the only thing you MUST do is go to a hifi store, bring a CD with your favortite music and start listening.


This is actually probably the best advice I've had in a long time. :D
cgrinker
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3824 Posts
March 06 2009 21:31 GMT
#14
And by CD he means the one out of the jewel case, not Wav->Mp3->ACC->WAV kinda thing
keit
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
1584 Posts
March 06 2009 21:39 GMT
#15
On March 07 2009 06:31 cgrinker wrote:
And by CD he means the one out of the jewel case, not Wav->Mp3->ACC->WAV kinda thing



eww transcodes ;l
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myzael
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Poland605 Posts
March 06 2009 22:02 GMT
#16
Closed heaphones could be dangerous for your ears. I strongly reccomend open ones. Just slightly above 200$, sennheiser hd 600 or hd 595 are the best.
Polemarch
Profile Joined August 2005
Canada1564 Posts
March 06 2009 22:11 GMT
#17
Thirding Sennheiser HD555 and seconding going to the store and trying a few out. IMO closed headphones seem good in theory but reduce sound quality and feel suffocating.
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rkarhu
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Finland570 Posts
March 06 2009 22:18 GMT
#18
On March 07 2009 07:02 myzael wrote:
Closed heaphones could be dangerous for your ears. I strongly reccomend open ones. Just slightly above 200$, sennheiser hd 600 or hd 595 are the best.


Is this true? Since I saw It's all gone Pete Tong I've been increasingly concerned of my hearing :D. I'm enticed by those Beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro 80 Ohms, but they seem like total ear drum destroyers.
Pervect
Profile Joined June 2007
1280 Posts
March 06 2009 22:34 GMT
#19
Sennheiser HD555 or HD595, 100%.
Klapdout
Profile Joined August 2007
United States282 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-06 22:48:43
March 06 2009 22:44 GMT
#20
On March 07 2009 07:18 rkarhu wrote:
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On March 07 2009 07:02 myzael wrote:
Closed heaphones could be dangerous for your ears. I strongly reccomend open ones. Just slightly above 200$, sennheiser hd 600 or hd 595 are the best.


Is this true? Since I saw It's all gone Pete Tong I've been increasingly concerned of my hearing :D. I'm enticed by those Beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro 80 Ohms, but they seem like total ear drum destroyers.



No, that is absolutely false, sealed cans can actually help prevent hearing loss by blocking outside noise, decreasing total spl

The only type of headphones that have been linked to increased hearing loss per total spl were ear buds, due to delivering the sound waves directly into the ear canal.

But even then, Ive never seen any actual studies conclude this, just a whole lot of talk from 'experts'



The Beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro are a great set of cans, they are CAPABLE of being ear drum destroyers if your crazy on the volume ;D

But at a normal volume you have nothing to worry about.
keit
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
1584 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-06 22:56:16
March 06 2009 22:54 GMT
#21
Indeed, after listening to bass heavy music for a couple of hours with my DT770's my ears felt numb. :/

I stopped listening with that high bass after that. Felt like you'd been to a concert :f

oh and btw, if you decide on the DT770's make sure you go for the 80 ohms since they are easier to drive and sound better than their highher ohm counterparts (strangely enough since you would think higher ohm = more juice and better sound...)

the higher ohm cans might sound better with an amp though, but i dont think you wanna spend an additional 300 dollars minimum lol.
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rkarhu
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Finland570 Posts
March 06 2009 23:46 GMT
#22
Oh, thanks for all the info, I'll probably head off to the nearest hifi-store tomorrow and test out some hphones. Oh and btw, what do you mean with driving the cans?
Klapdout
Profile Joined August 2007
United States282 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-07 00:11:23
March 07 2009 00:05 GMT
#23
On March 07 2009 08:46 rkarhu wrote:
Oh, thanks for all the info, I'll probably head off to the nearest hifi-store tomorrow and test out some hphones. Oh and btw, what do you mean with driving the cans?



he means using an amplifier

If you do go with the 770's the 80 ohm version will work fine off your soundcard, the 240 ohm probably won't, it will most likely be very quiet and distorted.


That said, even the 80 ohm version(like just about any high quality cans) will benefit a lot from amplification, it can really improve the sound quality and tighten up the bass.

For a budget amp I recommend the Practical Devices XM4, only costs $130 bones but delivers better sound than most amps twice its price.

http://www.practicaldevices.com/purchase_xm4.htm
caelym
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6421 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-07 00:11:19
March 07 2009 00:09 GMT
#24
On March 07 2009 07:54 keit wrote:
Indeed, after listening to bass heavy music for a couple of hours with my DT770's my ears felt numb. :/

I stopped listening with that high bass after that. Felt like you'd been to a concert :f

oh and btw, if you decide on the DT770's make sure you go for the 80 ohms since they are easier to drive and sound better than their highher ohm counterparts (strangely enough since you would think higher ohm = more juice and better sound...)

the higher ohm cans might sound better with an amp though, but i dont think you wanna spend an additional 300 dollars minimum lol.

ohms is the measure of resistance, more ohms = more resistance, so no I wouldn't think that higher ohm = more juice (ohm's law: Current(amps)=Voltage(volts)/Resistance(ohm))

and I also wouldn't count on more power = better sound...
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Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20661 Posts
March 07 2009 00:12 GMT
#25
Grado or AKG IMO.
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BroOd
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Austin10831 Posts
March 07 2009 00:16 GMT
#26
I love my grado sr60's so much. Really changed how I listen to music.
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NeVeR
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
1352 Posts
March 07 2009 00:36 GMT
#27
I just want something comfortable and adjustable to play SC with late at night (not too expensive). Can anyone suggest something for me?
Klapdout
Profile Joined August 2007
United States282 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-07 01:14:42
March 07 2009 00:53 GMT
#28
On March 07 2009 09:36 NeVeR wrote:
I just want something comfortable and adjustable to play SC with late at night (not too expensive). Can anyone suggest something for me?



how cheap?
does it need to be sealed?
you said at night so I'm assuming you don't want noise leaking around the house

For $50 you can pick up the Sennheiser HD-212 which would fit perfectly.
good sound for the price, sealed, comfortable not to many can beet them at this price range.


For cheaper you can go with the Koss SB-40

These are actually a headset, and the mic is pretty crappy and flimsy however they can be found for $30 have a no questions asked lifetime warranty, and sound pretty good. They are also rather comfortable, when I owned these, I had to bend the mic boom in an upside down U shape to keep it from moving around as I moved my head(with the mic in the upright position) other than that, these are fantastic budget cans. Though if you can spare the extra $20 the hd-212's cost I'd go for them.

EDIT: It seems Koss made answered many peoples wishes, and made an SB-40 without the mic
and called it the Koss UR-20
They can be found for $15 bucks online, they come with the same lifetime warranty, and should have the same sound quality and comfort.
If your budget is really tight, these would be the cans to buy.



If you can afford more there are quite a number of options, but I'll need more details to recommend you a pair. Especially a price range =D


NeVeR
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
1352 Posts
March 07 2009 01:12 GMT
#29
Thanks for the response.

Does "sealed" mean it covers the entire ear? I don't think I like that, it feels rather uncomfortable. Is there something that would be good that's not sealed? I'm looking to spend around $50 I guess.
Klapdout
Profile Joined August 2007
United States282 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-07 02:04:02
March 07 2009 01:37 GMT
#30
On March 07 2009 10:12 NeVeR wrote:
Thanks for the response.

Does "sealed" mean it covers the entire ear? I don't think I like that, it feels rather uncomfortable. Is there something that would be good that's not sealed? I'm looking to spend around $50 I guess.


no by sealed I mean they have a sealed chamber around the speaker and your ear, keeping outside noises out, and inside noises in. Open headphones 'vent' to the outside as in they have an open or vented area behind the speaker. Open cans tend to sound more accurate and tight, while sealed have a bit of a muddy sound to them. Though good sealed headphones still do sound great.

what your talking about 'around the ear design' is called circum-aural, the 'sit on your ears' design is called supra-aural, sealed headphones can be one or the other.


For $50 the HD-212 would probably be your best bet

You said you don't like headphones which sit around the ears, then these will probably work work well for you as they sit on top of your ears. Even though in pics they look like a typical circum-aural design, they are not quite that big.

though if sealed isnt necessary there are some better sounding options

like the Grado SR-60's which are a fantastic supra-aural design that sounds amazing with rock music
and are probably the greatest value of any cans out there
they will set you back about $60

If you don't need to worry about annoying anyone at night, then don't bother with the sealed headphones. I was just assuming based on you saying they were for night use.


EDIT: oh and if you ever did decide on the Grado's, they are very 'tight' around the head when new, don't be afraid to bend them to the shape of your head, it will improve comfort a lot, and your blood vessels will thank you ;D
NeVeR
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
1352 Posts
March 07 2009 01:49 GMT
#31
Okay, thanks a lot for the help. I'll definitely think about buying them.
myzael
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Poland605 Posts
March 07 2009 23:28 GMT
#32
On March 07 2009 07:44 Klapdout wrote:
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On March 07 2009 07:18 rkarhu wrote:
On March 07 2009 07:02 myzael wrote:
Closed heaphones could be dangerous for your ears. I strongly reccomend open ones. Just slightly above 200$, sennheiser hd 600 or hd 595 are the best.


Is this true? Since I saw It's all gone Pete Tong I've been increasingly concerned of my hearing :D. I'm enticed by those Beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro 80 Ohms, but they seem like total ear drum destroyers.



No, that is absolutely false, sealed cans can actually help prevent hearing loss by blocking outside noise, decreasing total spl

The only type of headphones that have been linked to increased hearing loss per total spl were ear buds, due to delivering the sound waves directly into the ear canal.

But even then, Ive never seen any actual studies conclude this, just a whole lot of talk from 'experts'



The Beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro are a great set of cans, they are CAPABLE of being ear drum destroyers if your crazy on the volume ;D

But at a normal volume you have nothing to worry about.


Open ones are the safer afaik, just because sealed headphones seem to amplify sound waves into your ears, while the open allow them to spread. I suppose the sound quality is the key factor, not the power or high volume. Still, I agree, that at normal volume there's nothing to worry about. But I am no expert by any means, just common sense
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