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Yogurt
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On February 18 2009 13:00 Ender wrote: On a slight sidenote, I always laugh when people say college is great because they need to "find themselves." The only thing I found is that if you picked engineering, college is hard. and if you picked a liberal arts major, welcome to the same struggle you would've had anyway 4 years ago. | ||
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benjammin
United States2728 Posts
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thunk
United States6233 Posts
On February 18 2009 13:00 Ender wrote: On a slight sidenote, I always laugh when people say college is great because they need to "find themselves." The only thing I found is that if you picked engineering, college is hard. Yea, but you've stuck with it even though it was hard you've discovered something about yourself. I think the perception about college varies from country to country so it's very hard to argue about the purpose and intent of college without stating your country. | ||
micronesia
United States24781 Posts
If I had moved out on my own after HS I would have been really overwhelmed by the whole experience, but in college I spent my junior and senior years living in apartments, but still protected by being in college... and it was a great learning experience. | ||
LosingID8
CA10835 Posts
On February 18 2009 13:17 benjammin wrote: all degrees are hard, don't be a douche definitely false | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
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JeeJee
Canada5652 Posts
On February 18 2009 13:00 infinity21 wrote: I don't know any people who mooch money off their parents just to party and not go into the workforce personally but that is a terrible way to live. I'm in a co-op program right now so by the time I graduate, I would have paid back all the money that my parents paid for my education as well as any loans I have outstanding and still be up $20k or so. Plus, I get 2 years of work experience (related or not) who helps with networking as well  I suppose I'm rather fortunate that universities don't cost an arm and a leg to attend up here (yay Canada~). seriously? shit how much do you make on your co-op jobs exactly? being up 20k is crazy (about 3-4k per workterm i guess?). my math certainly doesn't add up to that. one term is about 10k for me (7k+change tuition and 2k+change living expenses, plus books, etc.), with a 4k surplus? 14k/16wk = 23/hr after tax which is like at least 26/hr before tax? plus living expenses for the actual work term, unless you're living at home? damn hook me up with some of those jobs :O mine are just hovering in around low 20s or flat 20 so far =/ edit: although i guess if you worked in usa i can see that. i.e. my friend who works at nvidia makes 22/hr + 1k/month on living expenses + subsidized lunches and shit which is basically 30+/hr hmmm maybe i should go to usa | ||
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benjammin
United States2728 Posts
did you major in everything? or are you an engineering major | ||
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micronesia
United States24781 Posts
On February 18 2009 13:32 benjammin wrote: did you major in everything? or are you an engineering major On the internet don't expect everyone to use the word 'hard' as reasonably as you want to. I remember the science/engineering majors making fun of the humanities/business majors all the time. Lots of people like to draw the line for 'hard' below them and their friends, but above the people who are different. Although technical majors do tend to be more difficult on average, as far as I've seen. | ||
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x89titan
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benjammin
United States2728 Posts
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infinity21
Canada6683 Posts
On February 18 2009 13:31 JeeJee wrote: seriously? shit how much do you make on your co-op jobs exactly? being up 20k is crazy (about 3-4k per workterm i guess?). my math certainly doesn't add up to that. one term is about 10k for me (7k+change tuition and 2k+change living expenses, plus books, etc.), with a 4k surplus? 14k/16wk = 23/hr after tax which is like at least 26/hr before tax? plus living expenses for the actual work term, unless you're living at home? damn hook me up with some of those jobs :O mine are just hovering in around low 20s or flat 20 so far =/ What program were you in again, math CA? I pay only 3.6k for math tuition and about 3k for food + housing. And I don't usually buy textbooks  Works out to be around 7k for me total per study term. Plus I live at home during work terms I'm also anticipating that I'll get paid more in later years lol | ||
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JeeJee
Canada5652 Posts
On February 18 2009 13:40 infinity21 wrote: What program were you in again, math CA? I pay only 3.6k for math tuition and about 3k for food + housing. And I don't usually buy textbooks Works out to be around 7k for me total per study term. Plus I live at home during work terms I'm also anticipating that I'll get paid more in later years lol oh.. no, not math/ca but basically the same fees. every specialized program has "slightly" higher fees (damn you marketing) i know cecs has a salary survey somewhere on their site, you can look into that to see how the salary will increase to give a better estimate. generally a few bucks/hr above the average has been my experience so far. whoaaaa side-track anyway uni is just a thing to put on your resume and make connections. don't make it anything more than it has to be, unless you really happen to be passionate about the subject you're learning. and out of all the people i've known so far, the number of times i've seen that i can count on one hand. | ||
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benjammin
United States2728 Posts
On February 18 2009 13:44 JeeJee wrote: oh.. no, not math/ca but basically the same fees. every specialized program has "slightly" higher fees (damn you marketing) i know cecs has a salary survey somewhere on their site, you can look into that to see how the salary will increase to give a better estimate. generally a few bucks/hr above the average has been my experience so far. whoaaaa side-track anyway uni is just a thing to put on your resume and make connections. don't make it anything more than it has to be, unless you really happen to be passionate about the subject you're learning. and out of all the people i've known so far, the number of times i've seen that i can count on one hand. what does that tell you about the subject you are studying? | ||
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LosingID8
CA10835 Posts
On February 18 2009 13:32 benjammin wrote: did you major in everything? or are you an engineering major i'm a double major in korean and biology. | ||
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benjammin
United States2728 Posts
On February 18 2009 14:05 LosingID8 wrote: i'm a double major in korean and biology. then what makes you so sure that other majors aren't difficult? | ||
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micronesia
United States24781 Posts
On February 18 2009 13:37 benjammin wrote: as far as you've seen from what? Comparing the experience between technical majors, and some other majors. Looking at the effort you have to put in, and the levels of thinking required for specific tasks, I've found the trend evident even though there are many exceptions. | ||
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benjammin
United States2728 Posts
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PH
United States6173 Posts
Students generally go due to pressure from their parents. Their parents want to put their kids through college for the better job potential a degree allows for. In addition, there's nothing wrong with taking a bit to decide what you want to do when you enter. College is a new experience, and most people end up living away from their families and even friends for the first time. It takes time to get used to. The money is definitely an issue, but the idea is you'll make enough extra money with your degree than you would have without that you can pay it back before you retire... -____-;; There's nothing wrong with universities...and quite frankly, I like them. They churn out intelligent people, even if they drop out after a couple years. There's too much dumb in society to do without college. | ||
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