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Yogurt
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States4258 Posts
February 18 2009 04:15 GMT
#21
So many people are going to college now a days because a highschool degree is absolutely worthless
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251
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States1401 Posts
February 18 2009 04:15 GMT
#22
On February 18 2009 13:00 Ender wrote:
On a slight sidenote, I always laugh when people say college is great because they need to "find themselves." The only thing I found is that if you picked engineering, college is hard.


and if you picked a liberal arts major, welcome to the same struggle you would've had anyway 4 years ago.
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benjammin
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States2728 Posts
February 18 2009 04:17 GMT
#23
all degrees are hard, don't be a douche
wash uffitizi, drive me to firenze
thunk
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States6233 Posts
February 18 2009 04:27 GMT
#24
On February 18 2009 13:00 Ender wrote:
On a slight sidenote, I always laugh when people say college is great because they need to "find themselves." The only thing I found is that if you picked engineering, college is hard.


Yea, but you've stuck with it even though it was hard you've discovered something about yourself.

I think the perception about college varies from country to country so it's very hard to argue about the purpose and intent of college without stating your country.
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micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24674 Posts
February 18 2009 04:28 GMT
#25
Don't more and more jobs lately require that you prove you were able to get a college degree? Even jobs that don't 'require' a college degree 'require' it nowadays (obviously not all... but a lot). As others might have said, you also learn a ton of things in college.

If I had moved out on my own after HS I would have been really overwhelmed by the whole experience, but in college I spent my junior and senior years living in apartments, but still protected by being in college... and it was a great learning experience.
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LosingID8
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
CA10828 Posts
February 18 2009 04:28 GMT
#26
On February 18 2009 13:17 benjammin wrote:
all degrees are hard, don't be a douche

definitely false
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SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
February 18 2009 04:31 GMT
#27
On February 18 2009 13:28 LosingID8 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2009 13:17 benjammin wrote:
all degrees are hard, don't be a douche

definitely false

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JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-18 04:37:27
February 18 2009 04:31 GMT
#28
On February 18 2009 13:00 infinity21 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2009 12:43 StarN wrote:
On February 18 2009 12:38 infinity21 wrote:
I agree that it's not for everyone but there's nothing wrong with changing majors imo. In my case, I knew I wanted to go into a field in mathematics, so I went into a math & business admin program. Now I changed my focus to just math and will major in mathematical finance. I found out more about my BBA program and made a decision based on my experiences at the universities I attended. This doesn't cost me any more money and I will graduate at the same time.

Sure, I knew I was a mathie since I was in elementary but I didn't know what field of mathematics I will be specializing in back then. Most people won't know until they've taken the courses in university.

Yea in your case you didn't lose anything other than maybe 8 dwindling credits that don't go to your degree requirements. It's the people who plan on going on four year tracks that turn into six year tracks that I'm really against. And it's also the people who just use college as an excuse to party and mooch money off their parents for another four years that I'm against (e.g. my older brother)


I don't know any people who mooch money off their parents just to party and not go into the workforce personally but that is a terrible way to live. I'm in a co-op program right now so by the time I graduate, I would have paid back all the money that my parents paid for my education as well as any loans I have outstanding and still be up $20k or so. Plus, I get 2 years of work experience (related or not) who helps with networking as well
I suppose I'm rather fortunate that universities don't cost an arm and a leg to attend up here (yay Canada~).


seriously? shit
how much do you make on your co-op jobs exactly? being up 20k is crazy (about 3-4k per workterm i guess?). my math certainly doesn't add up to that.

one term is about 10k for me (7k+change tuition and 2k+change living expenses, plus books, etc.), with a 4k surplus? 14k/16wk = 23/hr after tax which is like at least 26/hr before tax? plus living expenses for the actual work term, unless you're living at home?
damn hook me up with some of those jobs :O mine are just hovering in around low 20s or flat 20 so far =/

edit: although i guess if you worked in usa i can see that. i.e. my friend who works at nvidia makes 22/hr + 1k/month on living expenses + subsidized lunches and shit which is basically 30+/hr

hmmm maybe i should go to usa
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benjammin
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States2728 Posts
February 18 2009 04:32 GMT
#29
On February 18 2009 13:28 LosingID8 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2009 13:17 benjammin wrote:
all degrees are hard, don't be a douche

definitely false


did you major in everything? or are you an engineering major
wash uffitizi, drive me to firenze
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24674 Posts
February 18 2009 04:35 GMT
#30
On February 18 2009 13:32 benjammin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2009 13:28 LosingID8 wrote:
On February 18 2009 13:17 benjammin wrote:
all degrees are hard, don't be a douche

definitely false


did you major in everything? or are you an engineering major

On the internet don't expect everyone to use the word 'hard' as reasonably as you want to.

I remember the science/engineering majors making fun of the humanities/business majors all the time. Lots of people like to draw the line for 'hard' below them and their friends, but above the people who are different.

Although technical majors do tend to be more difficult on average, as far as I've seen.
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x89titan
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Philippines1130 Posts
February 18 2009 04:37 GMT
#31
only the lucky ones dont go have to college. if you already have a good job, have great connections, done some very awesome things, then you dont have to go to college. college is there for you to put on your resume, and its great as a starting point. and cuz of "no child left behind" there is also financial aid available for those rly poor families. there are lots of money out there you just have to find it. im getting a free ride to my university cuz of that. if you cant get financial aid, then try scholarships. college is just a starting point for people who dont know better and to get those connections and skills you wouldnt be able to get otherwise.
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benjammin
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States2728 Posts
February 18 2009 04:37 GMT
#32
as far as you've seen from what?
wash uffitizi, drive me to firenze
infinity21 *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
February 18 2009 04:40 GMT
#33
On February 18 2009 13:31 JeeJee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2009 13:00 infinity21 wrote:
On February 18 2009 12:43 StarN wrote:
On February 18 2009 12:38 infinity21 wrote:
I agree that it's not for everyone but there's nothing wrong with changing majors imo. In my case, I knew I wanted to go into a field in mathematics, so I went into a math & business admin program. Now I changed my focus to just math and will major in mathematical finance. I found out more about my BBA program and made a decision based on my experiences at the universities I attended. This doesn't cost me any more money and I will graduate at the same time.

Sure, I knew I was a mathie since I was in elementary but I didn't know what field of mathematics I will be specializing in back then. Most people won't know until they've taken the courses in university.

Yea in your case you didn't lose anything other than maybe 8 dwindling credits that don't go to your degree requirements. It's the people who plan on going on four year tracks that turn into six year tracks that I'm really against. And it's also the people who just use college as an excuse to party and mooch money off their parents for another four years that I'm against (e.g. my older brother)


I don't know any people who mooch money off their parents just to party and not go into the workforce personally but that is a terrible way to live. I'm in a co-op program right now so by the time I graduate, I would have paid back all the money that my parents paid for my education as well as any loans I have outstanding and still be up $20k or so. Plus, I get 2 years of work experience (related or not) who helps with networking as well
I suppose I'm rather fortunate that universities don't cost an arm and a leg to attend up here (yay Canada~).


seriously? shit
how much do you make on your co-op jobs exactly? being up 20k is crazy (about 3-4k per workterm i guess?). my math certainly doesn't add up to that.

one term is about 10k for me (7k+change tuition and 2k+change living expenses, plus books, etc.), with a 4k surplus? 14k/16wk = 23/hr after tax which is like at least 26/hr before tax? plus living expenses for the actual work term, unless you're living at home?
damn hook me up with some of those jobs :O mine are just hovering in around low 20s or flat 20 so far =/


What program were you in again, math CA? I pay only 3.6k for math tuition and about 3k for food + housing. And I don't usually buy textbooks Works out to be around 7k for me total per study term. Plus I live at home during work terms
I'm also anticipating that I'll get paid more in later years lol
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JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-18 04:46:28
February 18 2009 04:44 GMT
#34
On February 18 2009 13:40 infinity21 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2009 13:31 JeeJee wrote:
On February 18 2009 13:00 infinity21 wrote:
On February 18 2009 12:43 StarN wrote:
On February 18 2009 12:38 infinity21 wrote:
I agree that it's not for everyone but there's nothing wrong with changing majors imo. In my case, I knew I wanted to go into a field in mathematics, so I went into a math & business admin program. Now I changed my focus to just math and will major in mathematical finance. I found out more about my BBA program and made a decision based on my experiences at the universities I attended. This doesn't cost me any more money and I will graduate at the same time.

Sure, I knew I was a mathie since I was in elementary but I didn't know what field of mathematics I will be specializing in back then. Most people won't know until they've taken the courses in university.

Yea in your case you didn't lose anything other than maybe 8 dwindling credits that don't go to your degree requirements. It's the people who plan on going on four year tracks that turn into six year tracks that I'm really against. And it's also the people who just use college as an excuse to party and mooch money off their parents for another four years that I'm against (e.g. my older brother)


I don't know any people who mooch money off their parents just to party and not go into the workforce personally but that is a terrible way to live. I'm in a co-op program right now so by the time I graduate, I would have paid back all the money that my parents paid for my education as well as any loans I have outstanding and still be up $20k or so. Plus, I get 2 years of work experience (related or not) who helps with networking as well
I suppose I'm rather fortunate that universities don't cost an arm and a leg to attend up here (yay Canada~).


seriously? shit
how much do you make on your co-op jobs exactly? being up 20k is crazy (about 3-4k per workterm i guess?). my math certainly doesn't add up to that.

one term is about 10k for me (7k+change tuition and 2k+change living expenses, plus books, etc.), with a 4k surplus? 14k/16wk = 23/hr after tax which is like at least 26/hr before tax? plus living expenses for the actual work term, unless you're living at home?
damn hook me up with some of those jobs :O mine are just hovering in around low 20s or flat 20 so far =/


What program were you in again, math CA? I pay only 3.6k for math tuition and about 3k for food + housing. And I don't usually buy textbooks Works out to be around 7k for me total per study term. Plus I live at home during work terms
I'm also anticipating that I'll get paid more in later years lol


oh..
no, not math/ca but basically the same fees. every specialized program has "slightly" higher fees (damn you marketing)
i know cecs has a salary survey somewhere on their site, you can look into that to see how the salary will increase to give a better estimate. generally a few bucks/hr above the average has been my experience so far.

whoaaaa side-track

anyway uni is just a thing to put on your resume and make connections. don't make it anything more than it has to be, unless you really happen to be passionate about the subject you're learning. and out of all the people i've known so far, the number of times i've seen that i can count on one hand.
(\o/)  If you want it, you find a way. Otherwise you find excuses. No exceptions.
 /_\   aka Shinbi (requesting a name change since 27/05/09 ☺)
benjammin
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States2728 Posts
February 18 2009 04:50 GMT
#35
On February 18 2009 13:44 JeeJee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2009 13:40 infinity21 wrote:
On February 18 2009 13:31 JeeJee wrote:
On February 18 2009 13:00 infinity21 wrote:
On February 18 2009 12:43 StarN wrote:
On February 18 2009 12:38 infinity21 wrote:
I agree that it's not for everyone but there's nothing wrong with changing majors imo. In my case, I knew I wanted to go into a field in mathematics, so I went into a math & business admin program. Now I changed my focus to just math and will major in mathematical finance. I found out more about my BBA program and made a decision based on my experiences at the universities I attended. This doesn't cost me any more money and I will graduate at the same time.

Sure, I knew I was a mathie since I was in elementary but I didn't know what field of mathematics I will be specializing in back then. Most people won't know until they've taken the courses in university.

Yea in your case you didn't lose anything other than maybe 8 dwindling credits that don't go to your degree requirements. It's the people who plan on going on four year tracks that turn into six year tracks that I'm really against. And it's also the people who just use college as an excuse to party and mooch money off their parents for another four years that I'm against (e.g. my older brother)


I don't know any people who mooch money off their parents just to party and not go into the workforce personally but that is a terrible way to live. I'm in a co-op program right now so by the time I graduate, I would have paid back all the money that my parents paid for my education as well as any loans I have outstanding and still be up $20k or so. Plus, I get 2 years of work experience (related or not) who helps with networking as well
I suppose I'm rather fortunate that universities don't cost an arm and a leg to attend up here (yay Canada~).


seriously? shit
how much do you make on your co-op jobs exactly? being up 20k is crazy (about 3-4k per workterm i guess?). my math certainly doesn't add up to that.

one term is about 10k for me (7k+change tuition and 2k+change living expenses, plus books, etc.), with a 4k surplus? 14k/16wk = 23/hr after tax which is like at least 26/hr before tax? plus living expenses for the actual work term, unless you're living at home?
damn hook me up with some of those jobs :O mine are just hovering in around low 20s or flat 20 so far =/


What program were you in again, math CA? I pay only 3.6k for math tuition and about 3k for food + housing. And I don't usually buy textbooks Works out to be around 7k for me total per study term. Plus I live at home during work terms
I'm also anticipating that I'll get paid more in later years lol


oh..
no, not math/ca but basically the same fees. every specialized program has "slightly" higher fees (damn you marketing)
i know cecs has a salary survey somewhere on their site, you can look into that to see how the salary will increase to give a better estimate. generally a few bucks/hr above the average has been my experience so far.

whoaaaa side-track

anyway uni is just a thing to put on your resume and make connections. don't make it anything more than it has to be, unless you really happen to be passionate about the subject you're learning. and out of all the people i've known so far, the number of times i've seen that i can count on one hand.


what does that tell you about the subject you are studying?
wash uffitizi, drive me to firenze
LosingID8
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
CA10828 Posts
February 18 2009 05:05 GMT
#36
On February 18 2009 13:32 benjammin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2009 13:28 LosingID8 wrote:
On February 18 2009 13:17 benjammin wrote:
all degrees are hard, don't be a douche

definitely false


did you major in everything? or are you an engineering major

i'm a double major in korean and biology.
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benjammin
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States2728 Posts
February 18 2009 05:07 GMT
#37
On February 18 2009 14:05 LosingID8 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2009 13:32 benjammin wrote:
On February 18 2009 13:28 LosingID8 wrote:
On February 18 2009 13:17 benjammin wrote:
all degrees are hard, don't be a douche

definitely false


did you major in everything? or are you an engineering major

i'm a double major in korean and biology.


then what makes you so sure that other majors aren't difficult?
wash uffitizi, drive me to firenze
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24674 Posts
February 18 2009 05:11 GMT
#38
On February 18 2009 13:37 benjammin wrote:
as far as you've seen from what?

Comparing the experience between technical majors, and some other majors. Looking at the effort you have to put in, and the levels of thinking required for specific tasks, I've found the trend evident even though there are many exceptions.
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benjammin
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States2728 Posts
February 18 2009 05:13 GMT
#39
if that's not conclusive evidence, i don't know what is
wash uffitizi, drive me to firenze
PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
February 18 2009 05:15 GMT
#40
A college degree affords better opportunities. It doesn't guarantee money. In addition, citing the likes of Steve Jobs (Bill Gates also comes to mind) is kind of moot...they are huuuuge exceptions.

Students generally go due to pressure from their parents. Their parents want to put their kids through college for the better job potential a degree allows for. In addition, there's nothing wrong with taking a bit to decide what you want to do when you enter. College is a new experience, and most people end up living away from their families and even friends for the first time. It takes time to get used to.

The money is definitely an issue, but the idea is you'll make enough extra money with your degree than you would have without that you can pay it back before you retire... -____-;;

There's nothing wrong with universities...and quite frankly, I like them. They churn out intelligent people, even if they drop out after a couple years.

There's too much dumb in society to do without college.
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