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Foucault is easy breezy. Start reading Arendt, I'm telling you!
I actually enjoyed my CS classes, except that was one where I got in trouble for going outside the professor's expectations. No 5,000 line programs at that point though.
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On February 19 2009 10:44 ahrara_ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2009 09:08 fusionsdf wrote:
All I know is my first compsci course started with 40 people and finished with 7
and at least some of the people who didnt drop didnt exactly have As in the course.
And this was considered normal.
Until I see that happen in a social sciences first year course, I'm not really going to call it equal. If you see first and second years slacking off, its usually humanities, social science, or business. There is a difference between those courses and medicine/compsci/engineering/hard science whether it bruises people's egos or not. of course there's a difference, genius. it is harder to crack down on students who don't do the reading in the social sciences, because the grading system is different. but doing all the required reading in most humanities courses is just as difficult. Your claim is that 'doing all the required reading' is as difficult as the homework and other assessments in technical major? I think you meant something else. Also, I don't think you mean to assume that the only hurdle in completing a humanities majors is to complete the reading...
the social sciences tend to attract more slackers for the reasons above. but that doesn't make it a less legitimate major. most of the really intelligent people i've met have been social science majors, and believe me, i've spent equal amounts of time in "hard major" courses. I don't think anyone was saying humanities aren't legit... they were just comparing level of difficulty.
i would love to see somebody as well-versed in hard science as yourself try to understand foucault. since your intellect is so far ahead of ours, why not try it yourself?
The technical people are usually the ones who flaunt this idea (let's trade) because it favors them XD
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The roomate I had in undergrad was an electrical engineer who had a 3.9 gpa. He didnt "go all out and study study study" like some of you claim that the "hard sciences" people do. He also highly respected social sciences because he had trouble understanding them (prolly between me and his phd psych sister lol). Seriously not everyone has to work their ass off to pull a 3.0 in hard science. Hard science classes just attempt to weed out people earlier so their intro classes are harder. Hell the intro bio class has a really high rate of fail because its the weeding class to get into high lvl bio and I 4.0ed it as a "social science" major. I also took decent level of math and chem. Hell intro chem/phys were easy as pie just because they didn't weed out at that level of class. If you want to be a social science major and not study you'll most likely get a 3-3.5 gpa. well guess what you most likely wont be working in a social science field because that low of a gpa won't get you into grad school.
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On February 19 2009 10:55 micronesia wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2009 10:44 ahrara_ wrote:On February 19 2009 09:08 fusionsdf wrote:
All I know is my first compsci course started with 40 people and finished with 7
and at least some of the people who didnt drop didnt exactly have As in the course.
And this was considered normal.
Until I see that happen in a social sciences first year course, I'm not really going to call it equal. If you see first and second years slacking off, its usually humanities, social science, or business. There is a difference between those courses and medicine/compsci/engineering/hard science whether it bruises people's egos or not. of course there's a difference, genius. it is harder to crack down on students who don't do the reading in the social sciences, because the grading system is different. but doing all the required reading in most humanities courses is just as difficult. Your claim is that 'doing all the required reading' is as difficult as the homework and other assessments in technical major? I think you meant something else. Also, I don't think you mean to assume that the only hurdle in completing a humanities majors is to complete the reading... Show nested quote +the social sciences tend to attract more slackers for the reasons above. but that doesn't make it a less legitimate major. most of the really intelligent people i've met have been social science majors, and believe me, i've spent equal amounts of time in "hard major" courses. I don't think anyone was saying humanities aren't legit... they were just comparing level of difficulty. Show nested quote +i would love to see somebody as well-versed in hard science as yourself try to understand foucault. since your intellect is so far ahead of ours, why not try it yourself? The technical people are usually the ones who flaunt this idea (let's trade) because it favors them XD
I have completed every lower division math course available at my school. On top of that I've done mechanics, modern physics, political theory, comp gov, and international relations. So in reply to your first question, yes, I do think it's just as difficult. I'll give that grade inflation is a more serious problem with the humanities.
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but then again i went to the university of kabul
Foucault is easy breezy. Start reading Arendt, I'm telling you!
I actually skipped my foucault reading in my political theory class hehehe. Also, I have Arendt on my bookshelf and I keep promising myself I'll get to it.
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On February 19 2009 11:13 ahrara_ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2009 10:55 micronesia wrote:On February 19 2009 10:44 ahrara_ wrote:On February 19 2009 09:08 fusionsdf wrote:
All I know is my first compsci course started with 40 people and finished with 7
and at least some of the people who didnt drop didnt exactly have As in the course.
And this was considered normal.
Until I see that happen in a social sciences first year course, I'm not really going to call it equal. If you see first and second years slacking off, its usually humanities, social science, or business. There is a difference between those courses and medicine/compsci/engineering/hard science whether it bruises people's egos or not. of course there's a difference, genius. it is harder to crack down on students who don't do the reading in the social sciences, because the grading system is different. but doing all the required reading in most humanities courses is just as difficult. Your claim is that 'doing all the required reading' is as difficult as the homework and other assessments in technical major? I think you meant something else. Also, I don't think you mean to assume that the only hurdle in completing a humanities majors is to complete the reading... the social sciences tend to attract more slackers for the reasons above. but that doesn't make it a less legitimate major. most of the really intelligent people i've met have been social science majors, and believe me, i've spent equal amounts of time in "hard major" courses. I don't think anyone was saying humanities aren't legit... they were just comparing level of difficulty. i would love to see somebody as well-versed in hard science as yourself try to understand foucault. since your intellect is so far ahead of ours, why not try it yourself? The technical people are usually the ones who flaunt this idea (let's trade) because it favors them XD I have completed every lower division math course available at my school. On top of that I've done mechanics, modern physics, political theory, comp gov, and international relations. So in reply to your first question, yes, I do think it's just as difficult. I'll give that grade inflation is a more serious problem with the humanities. + Show Spoiler +
Er.... I'm glad you are wonderful but your post doesn't seem to respond to mine at all.
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understanding foucault vs writing 1000s of lines of functional code
I don't know guys...
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We're really comparing apples to oranges at this point, since every individual will respond to each task differently.
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Who cares about foucault? Can you explain early human evolution and the genus homo? Its useless to compare this shit. I obviously cannot write code because I didn't learn it. But from what ive seen its not hard it just takes a lot of time and patience to accomplish which is almost everything that seems "hard" can become easy with enough time put in.
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On February 19 2009 13:18 Slaughter)BiO wrote:
Who cares about foucault? Can you explain early human evolution and the genus homo? Its useless to compare this shit. I obviously cannot write code because I didn't learn it. But from what ive seen its not hard it just takes a lot of time and patience to accomplish which is almost everything that seems "hard" can become easy with enough time put in.
ur a genus homo
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I agree that it's easier to get decent and maybe even good grades in less technical majors, however I don't see how anyone could think that actually engaging with the material is easy.
I'd be really interested to see a paper written by any one of you guys who think non-technical majors are easy. Whoa, what?! You don't want to post one even though you'd have no problem posting some code you wrote? Interesting.
I'm a CS major, btw.
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On February 19 2009 13:38 enthusiast wrote:
I agree that it's easier to get decent and maybe even good grades in less technical majors, however I don't see how anyone could think that actually engaging with the material is easy.
I'd be really interested to see a paper written by any one of you guys who think non-technical majors are easy. Whoa, what?! You don't want to post one even though you'd have no problem posting some code you wrote? Interesting.
I'm a CS major, btw.
You are stereotyping too much which hurts your argument.
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On February 19 2009 12:48 micronesia wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2009 11:13 ahrara_ wrote:On February 19 2009 10:55 micronesia wrote:On February 19 2009 10:44 ahrara_ wrote:On February 19 2009 09:08 fusionsdf wrote:
All I know is my first compsci course started with 40 people and finished with 7
and at least some of the people who didnt drop didnt exactly have As in the course.
And this was considered normal.
Until I see that happen in a social sciences first year course, I'm not really going to call it equal. If you see first and second years slacking off, its usually humanities, social science, or business. There is a difference between those courses and medicine/compsci/engineering/hard science whether it bruises people's egos or not. of course there's a difference, genius. it is harder to crack down on students who don't do the reading in the social sciences, because the grading system is different. but doing all the required reading in most humanities courses is just as difficult. Your claim is that 'doing all the required reading' is as difficult as the homework and other assessments in technical major? I think you meant something else. Also, I don't think you mean to assume that the only hurdle in completing a humanities majors is to complete the reading... the social sciences tend to attract more slackers for the reasons above. but that doesn't make it a less legitimate major. most of the really intelligent people i've met have been social science majors, and believe me, i've spent equal amounts of time in "hard major" courses. I don't think anyone was saying humanities aren't legit... they were just comparing level of difficulty. i would love to see somebody as well-versed in hard science as yourself try to understand foucault. since your intellect is so far ahead of ours, why not try it yourself? The technical people are usually the ones who flaunt this idea (let's trade) because it favors them XD I have completed every lower division math course available at my school. On top of that I've done mechanics, modern physics, political theory, comp gov, and international relations. So in reply to your first question, yes, I do think it's just as difficult. I'll give that grade inflation is a more serious problem with the humanities. + Show Spoiler + Er.... I'm glad you are wonderful but your post doesn't seem to respond to mine at all.
ya it does. i combined an opportunity to boast about myself with establishing credibility for my claim that both are equally difficult, after accounting for grade inflation.
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On February 19 2009 13:51 ahrara_ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2009 12:48 micronesia wrote:On February 19 2009 11:13 ahrara_ wrote:On February 19 2009 10:55 micronesia wrote:On February 19 2009 10:44 ahrara_ wrote:On February 19 2009 09:08 fusionsdf wrote:
All I know is my first compsci course started with 40 people and finished with 7
and at least some of the people who didnt drop didnt exactly have As in the course.
And this was considered normal.
Until I see that happen in a social sciences first year course, I'm not really going to call it equal. If you see first and second years slacking off, its usually humanities, social science, or business. There is a difference between those courses and medicine/compsci/engineering/hard science whether it bruises people's egos or not. of course there's a difference, genius. it is harder to crack down on students who don't do the reading in the social sciences, because the grading system is different. but doing all the required reading in most humanities courses is just as difficult. Your claim is that 'doing all the required reading' is as difficult as the homework and other assessments in technical major? I think you meant something else. Also, I don't think you mean to assume that the only hurdle in completing a humanities majors is to complete the reading... the social sciences tend to attract more slackers for the reasons above. but that doesn't make it a less legitimate major. most of the really intelligent people i've met have been social science majors, and believe me, i've spent equal amounts of time in "hard major" courses. I don't think anyone was saying humanities aren't legit... they were just comparing level of difficulty. i would love to see somebody as well-versed in hard science as yourself try to understand foucault. since your intellect is so far ahead of ours, why not try it yourself? The technical people are usually the ones who flaunt this idea (let's trade) because it favors them XD I have completed every lower division math course available at my school. On top of that I've done mechanics, modern physics, political theory, comp gov, and international relations. So in reply to your first question, yes, I do think it's just as difficult. I'll give that grade inflation is a more serious problem with the humanities. + Show Spoiler + Er.... I'm glad you are wonderful but your post doesn't seem to respond to mine at all. ya it does. i combined an opportunity to boast about myself with establishing credibility for my claim that both are equally difficult, after accounting for grade inflation.
I think you are going to need to write what you really mean when you say completing the reading is as difficult as the work of technical majors... because as you stated it, you are completely wrong. A 5 year old can complete the reading. How do you use the reading and test yourself on the knowledge/understanding gained? That's where it really is. Also, how well rounded you in particular are, has almost nothing to do with it.
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On February 19 2009 13:48 micronesia wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2009 13:38 enthusiast wrote:
I agree that it's easier to get decent and maybe even good grades in less technical majors, however I don't see how anyone could think that actually engaging with the material is easy.
I'd be really interested to see a paper written by any one of you guys who think non-technical majors are easy. Whoa, what?! You don't want to post one even though you'd have no problem posting some code you wrote? Interesting.
I'm a CS major, btw. You are stereotyping too much which hurts your argument.
Where?
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On February 19 2009 13:59 enthusiast wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2009 13:48 micronesia wrote:On February 19 2009 13:38 enthusiast wrote:
I agree that it's easier to get decent and maybe even good grades in less technical majors, however I don't see how anyone could think that actually engaging with the material is easy.
I'd be really interested to see a paper written by any one of you guys who think non-technical majors are easy. Whoa, what?! You don't want to post one even though you'd have no problem posting some code you wrote? Interesting.
I'm a CS major, btw. You are stereotyping too much which hurts your argument. Where?
The part where you make it seem like most technical majors never write papers.
Now that I think about it... you can just look at general education (core). The technical skills required of any technical major are virtually unrepresented in core (even though it doesn't seem like it if you are pushed out of intro bio and placed into intro physics) whereas most humanities core classes require you to write at least a few papers (freshman composition, junior English possibly, any specific literature course... hell almost any other course). So... a technical major needs to be able to write papers, whereas a humanities major does not need to code, solve advanced problems, etc. Of course, the papers of upper level humanities courses are more difficult than the core level ones (I'd have to assume).
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On February 19 2009 13:58 micronesia wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2009 13:51 ahrara_ wrote:On February 19 2009 12:48 micronesia wrote:On February 19 2009 11:13 ahrara_ wrote:On February 19 2009 10:55 micronesia wrote:On February 19 2009 10:44 ahrara_ wrote:On February 19 2009 09:08 fusionsdf wrote:
All I know is my first compsci course started with 40 people and finished with 7
and at least some of the people who didnt drop didnt exactly have As in the course.
And this was considered normal.
Until I see that happen in a social sciences first year course, I'm not really going to call it equal. If you see first and second years slacking off, its usually humanities, social science, or business. There is a difference between those courses and medicine/compsci/engineering/hard science whether it bruises people's egos or not. of course there's a difference, genius. it is harder to crack down on students who don't do the reading in the social sciences, because the grading system is different. but doing all the required reading in most humanities courses is just as difficult. Your claim is that 'doing all the required reading' is as difficult as the homework and other assessments in technical major? I think you meant something else. Also, I don't think you mean to assume that the only hurdle in completing a humanities majors is to complete the reading... the social sciences tend to attract more slackers for the reasons above. but that doesn't make it a less legitimate major. most of the really intelligent people i've met have been social science majors, and believe me, i've spent equal amounts of time in "hard major" courses. I don't think anyone was saying humanities aren't legit... they were just comparing level of difficulty. i would love to see somebody as well-versed in hard science as yourself try to understand foucault. since your intellect is so far ahead of ours, why not try it yourself? The technical people are usually the ones who flaunt this idea (let's trade) because it favors them XD I have completed every lower division math course available at my school. On top of that I've done mechanics, modern physics, political theory, comp gov, and international relations. So in reply to your first question, yes, I do think it's just as difficult. I'll give that grade inflation is a more serious problem with the humanities. + Show Spoiler + Er.... I'm glad you are wonderful but your post doesn't seem to respond to mine at all. ya it does. i combined an opportunity to boast about myself with establishing credibility for my claim that both are equally difficult, after accounting for grade inflation. I think you are going to need to write what you really mean when you say completing the reading is as difficult as the work of technical majors... because as you stated it, you are completely wrong. A 5 year old can complete the reading. How do you use the reading and test yourself on the knowledge/understanding gained? That's where it really is. Also, how well rounded you in particular are, has almost nothing to do with it.
i was talking about workload. from my experience, doing the reading for a social science course, especially when the material is from primary sources, takes a lot more time to complete than your typical math assignment. a 5 year old can never complete the reading because he would never understand it.
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also, i like to brag about myself. let me know if this is a problem.
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On February 19 2009 14:03 micronesia wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2009 13:59 enthusiast wrote:On February 19 2009 13:48 micronesia wrote:On February 19 2009 13:38 enthusiast wrote:
I agree that it's easier to get decent and maybe even good grades in less technical majors, however I don't see how anyone could think that actually engaging with the material is easy.
I'd be really interested to see a paper written by any one of you guys who think non-technical majors are easy. Whoa, what?! You don't want to post one even though you'd have no problem posting some code you wrote? Interesting.
I'm a CS major, btw. You are stereotyping too much which hurts your argument. Where? The part where you make it seem like most technical majors never write papers. Now that I think about it... you can just look at general education (core). The technical skills required of any technical major are virtually unrepresented in core (even though it doesn't seem like it if you are pushed out of intro bio and placed into intro physics) whereas most humanities core classes require you to write at least a few papers (freshman composition, junior English possibly, any specific literature course... hell almost any other course). So... a technical major needs to be able to write papers, whereas a humanities major does not need to code, solve advanced problems, etc. Of course, the papers of upper level humanities courses are more difficult than the core level ones (I'd have to assume).
I don't see where I assumed that technical majors never write papers. I have a paper due Friday D:
I was trying to point out that if someone thinks non-technical majors are easy, then I assumed that to mean they think they are good at them. Therefore I would be interested to see one of these "good" non-technical papers they are capable of writing. I went on to guess that no one would post such a paper because they probably realize on some level that it probably isn't so "good" after all, and therefore maybe non-technical majors aren't so easy.
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