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10/15 Rush? [Q's]

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Salv
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Canada3083 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-25 19:13:10
January 25 2009 18:45 GMT
#1
So I was watching Skyhigh vs Bisu on Colosseum II (http://www.gomtv.net/videos/549) and Tasteless said that Bisu was doing the 10/15 rush. He didn't really give an explanation of what the build order was, he just said you cut three or four probes, and make range and dragoons very early to try to bust down the Terran wall. I've heard Artosis also talking about this build too (I think it's when NonY was in Courage?).

So a couple questions, if anyone knows.

  • Did Artosis, NonY & Tasteless invent this build?
  • Does anyone know the exact build order or timing?


Thanks.

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BottleAbuser
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)1888 Posts
January 25 2009 18:47 GMT
#2
I actually made this build back in '94. No, I have no clue. I just wanted to say something.

Oh, and someone pls tell me how these fuckers walk up to my base with 5 goons when my first tank is just arriving.
Compilers are like boyfriends, you miss a period and they go crazy on you.
TonyL2
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
England1953 Posts
January 25 2009 18:48 GMT
#3
There was a whole thread on this, although mainly about it on Medusa

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=84900
freelander
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Hungary4707 Posts
January 25 2009 18:54 GMT
#4
10 gateway
12 gas
13 core
15 another gateway
goon range asap
SKIP PROBES
now you are 15/17 so you skip two probes at least to let your first dragoon come out sooner
so dragoon, 17/17
place a pylon
when pylon is ready, you can afford two dragoons immediately

this build grants you 3 dragoons very fast.
And all is illuminated.
mogg
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
59 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-25 19:01:58
January 25 2009 18:57 GMT
#5
Gateway
Gas
Cybercore
Cut probes at 15 population
get a gateway at 15 population once you get 150 minerals
make a goon once core finishes
goon range
pylon
your gateway will finish when your pylon and first goon do
naonao
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States847 Posts
January 25 2009 18:57 GMT
#6
I do
10 gate
11/12 gas
13 core(as gate finishes)
15 gate/cut probes
pylon
range
goon
start probes again and pump goons

works well for me.
Salv
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Canada3083 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-25 19:04:53
January 25 2009 19:01 GMT
#7
Thanks for the responses! I tried 10/15 in the search, but it won't let you search that.

On January 26 2009 03:54 freelander wrote:
10 gateway
12 gas
13 core
15 another gateway
goon range asap
SKIP PROBES
now you are 15/17 so you skip two probes at least to let your first dragoon come out sooner
so dragoon, 17/17
place a pylon
when pylon is ready, you can afford two dragoons immediately

this build grants you 3 dragoons very fast.


When do you scout, in this bo?
freelander
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Hungary4707 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-25 19:28:41
January 25 2009 19:19 GMT
#8
On January 26 2009 04:01 Salv wrote:
Thanks for the responses! I tried 10/15 in the search, but it won't let you search that.

Show nested quote +
On January 26 2009 03:54 freelander wrote:
10 gateway
12 gas
13 core
15 another gateway
goon range asap
SKIP PROBES
now you are 15/17 so you skip two probes at least to let your first dragoon come out sooner
so dragoon, 17/17
place a pylon
when pylon is ready, you can afford two dragoons immediately

this build grants you 3 dragoons very fast.


When do you scout, in this bo?


well, it's up to you to decide
later than usual for sure

basically you just have to make sure you send your dragoons to the right base immediately, I think on a 3 player map you can get away with sending the builder of the second gateway.

Also the answer for your question in the op:
this is an old build, noone knows who started doing it. Certainly not those guys.

Also, the follow ups for the build:
I think if you want to continue the hardcore dragoon producing after the first three, you have to skip some more probes. Because after your 3 goons, you'll be at 21/15. You can build your next goons and a pylon if you skip your probes, so you'll be at 25/25 and a pylon building. If you build only one goon instead of two, you don't have to skip the worker production.
And all is illuminated.
Pengu1n
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States552 Posts
January 25 2009 19:25 GMT
#9
I actually do a similiar build like this in pvp on maps like tau cross or longinus. It gives 3 dragoons very fast and with good micro you can do a lot of damage especially if they make a zeal or 2 first.
Racenilatr
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States2756 Posts
January 25 2009 19:27 GMT
#10
I would say scout after gateway because you only need to find the Terran's position. You don't really need anything else
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-25 19:28:03
January 25 2009 19:27 GMT
#11
this build is reaaaaaaalllly old. i take no credit for inventing it at all. but it's still good on some maps. but it's the micro that really makes it happen
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
Pholon
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Netherlands6142 Posts
January 25 2009 19:30 GMT
#12
My P mate used this a lot vs me. I one time countered by hopping temples and getting a bunker on his cliff (ref. Flash vs Bisu some time ago) and now he claims he has time to scout up there (twice! - timing depending on whether I hop the correct temple first) while not slowing down the build. Didn't seem logical to me since it sounds like the build has a meticulous timing to it (on the other hand, it is Protoss so why not) but meh

Also, since he became predictable doing this most of the time I just cut marines (mkaing one or zero) and tank gets out soon enough. The build's worse on Colloseum when he can put the goons on the ramp.
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RaGe
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Belgium9950 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-25 19:41:46
January 25 2009 19:41 GMT
#13
I think anytime popularized this build back on the flat map days. Supercommon on longinus

edit: hmm wait this build was used on neo guillotine too if I remember correctly. Dunno who popularized it then
Moderatorsometimes I get intimidated by the size of my right testicle
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10014 Posts
January 25 2009 19:47 GMT
#14
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=84900
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ahole-surprise
Profile Joined August 2007
United States813 Posts
January 25 2009 20:08 GMT
#15
What is an optimal build for Terran on flat maps that will take care of this build? Perhaps 11/11 rax/gas?
Pulp can move, baby!
Malongo
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Chile3472 Posts
January 25 2009 20:12 GMT
#16
Sometime ago i saw a rep of Nal_ra vs Iris on Longinus, blizzcon07 if my mind is right, but i cant find it anymore (Nal_ra used this BO, Iris countered with a wall/fake expo + proxy fact/mines). Please help me find it.
Help me! im still improving my English. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. M. G.
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
January 25 2009 20:17 GMT
#17
On January 26 2009 05:12 malongo wrote:
Sometime ago i saw a rep of Nal_ra vs Iris on Longinus, blizzcon07 if my mind is right, but i cant find it anymore (Nal_ra used this BO, Iris countered with a wall/fake expo + proxy fact/mines). Please help me find it.



I don't have the rep but I do have the VOD link!
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Psyonic_Reaver
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4341 Posts
January 25 2009 20:26 GMT
#18
I like doing 10/15 into DT. Works great, all the goons keeps the terran busy with macroing troops and then BAM. DT are taking him out.

But if you can't finish the T off with your goons or your DT, Terran will get ahead in econ and run you over later because you get your robo super late.
So wait? I'm bad? =(
LaLuSh
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden2358 Posts
January 25 2009 20:27 GMT
#19
Dreiven also used it every PvT game on longinus in TSL.
Malongo
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Chile3472 Posts
January 25 2009 20:28 GMT
#20
thank you ShaLLoW[baY].
Help me! im still improving my English. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. M. G.
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