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1.16 CPU lag possible fix

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R1CH
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Netherlands10341 Posts
November 30 2008 23:27 GMT
#1
It seems Blizzard neglected to call timeBeginPeriod, which means unless some other application requests a higher timer resolution, BW will run at the default resolution which makes short delays impossible. This is possibly why the new patch seems to make BW "laggy".

If you experience CPU lag / frame skipping / etc, give this a try and see if it gives you different values for the timer resolutions before and after.

Download:
http://r-1.ch/timerInfo.7z

Instructions:
Run BroodWar, then run timerInfo.exe. If the new cur value is lower, your CPU issues might be fixed. The timerInfo will need to remain open for the new resolution to remain set. If this does indeed fix the issue, I'll turn this into a Chaos plugin. If your old and new cur values are different, please reply with what they are as I'm curious as to how the default resolutions are determined.

****
AdministratorTwitter: @R1CH_TL
clazziquai
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
6685 Posts
November 30 2008 23:28 GMT
#2
Wow THANKS A LOT!
I might try 1.16.0 now, but someone should see how this works..

R1CH you are truly a genius. Thank you<3
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Nytefish
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United Kingdom4282 Posts
November 30 2008 23:31 GMT
#3
Have you posted this on battle.net forums?
No I'm never serious.
R1CH
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Netherlands10341 Posts
November 30 2008 23:31 GMT
#4
No, this is only a hunch at the moment. I haven't been able to test it since 1.16 runs fine for me - but my default resolution is 1ms.
AdministratorTwitter: @R1CH_TL
GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
November 30 2008 23:39 GMT
#5
R1CH, this is amazing. thanks a lot.
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clazziquai
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
6685 Posts
November 30 2008 23:40 GMT
#6
Btw R1CH has such an awesome icon. The first TL icon that animates? :D
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Raithed
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
China7078 Posts
November 30 2008 23:41 GMT
#7
hold on, what if the old and the new cur is THE same? i have bw opened(with chaos) and both are the same. what does this mean?
eXigent.
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada2419 Posts
November 30 2008 23:43 GMT
#8
On December 01 2008 08:41 Raithed wrote:
hold on, what if the old and the new cur is THE same? i have bw opened(with chaos) and both are the same. what does this mean?


Same thing.
R1CH
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Netherlands10341 Posts
November 30 2008 23:45 GMT
#9
On December 01 2008 08:41 Raithed wrote:
hold on, what if the old and the new cur is THE same? i have bw opened(with chaos) and both are the same. what does this mean?

It means your timer resolution is already as high as it can be, so you shouldn't be having CPU lag issues.
AdministratorTwitter: @R1CH_TL
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
November 30 2008 23:48 GMT
#10
Try running it after lag shows up, and see if it fixes it at all,
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Archaic
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States4024 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-30 23:50:00
November 30 2008 23:49 GMT
#11
On December 01 2008 08:40 clazziquai wrote:
Btw R1CH has such an awesome icon. The first TL icon that animates? :D


I believe Pop animates as well. And to be fair, Nazgul's can stab into people's sigs.

EDIT: Thanks, R1CH, I'll try this as soon as I get home
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
November 30 2008 23:50 GMT
#12
On December 01 2008 08:49 Archaic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2008 08:40 clazziquai wrote:
Btw R1CH has such an awesome icon. The first TL icon that animates? :D


I believe Pop animates as well. And to be fair, Nazgul's can stab into people's sigs.

EDIT: Thanks, R1CH, I'll try this as soon as I get home

manablue was the first animated icon if i recall
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CTStalker
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Canada9720 Posts
November 30 2008 23:57 GMT
#13
actually, it was probably arbiter[frolix]'s icon. or if you don't count that, klogon's kittyloaf
By the way, my name is Funk. I am not of your world
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43199 Posts
November 30 2008 23:58 GMT
#14
On December 01 2008 08:40 clazziquai wrote:
Btw R1CH has such an awesome icon. The first TL icon that animates? :D

Kittyloaf moves.
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vAltyR
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States581 Posts
December 01 2008 00:08 GMT
#15
and Pop's.
내 호버크라프트는 장어로 가득 차 있어요
funkie
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Venezuela9376 Posts
December 01 2008 00:18 GMT
#16
I get the same values, and I still get lag.

?
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SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-01 00:19:29
December 01 2008 00:19 GMT
#17
You know, if someone can confirm that this fixes the CPU lag issues, r1ch could make this into a chaoslauncher plugin and we could all start using 1.16...

Someone who has lag issues with 1.16 only, please try this and report results.


edit: funkie just posted lol
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SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
December 01 2008 00:19 GMT
#18
On December 01 2008 09:18 funkie wrote:
I get the same values, and I still get lag.

?

what are the values, the cur= should be about 1 ms each
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funkie
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Venezuela9376 Posts
December 01 2008 00:24 GMT
#19
min= 15.60ms
max=0.50ms
cur=1.00ms

On Both New and Old.
CJ Entusman #6! · Strength is the basis of athletic ability. -Rippetoe /* http://j.mp/TL-App <- TL iPhone App 2.0! */
R1CH
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Netherlands10341 Posts
December 01 2008 00:27 GMT
#20
Are you talking about CPU lag or UDP/bnet latency? Eg, if you run a replay at 16x, is it really fast and smooth and responsive?
AdministratorTwitter: @R1CH_TL
Raithed
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
China7078 Posts
December 01 2008 00:38 GMT
#21
On December 01 2008 08:45 R1CH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2008 08:41 Raithed wrote:
hold on, what if the old and the new cur is THE same? i have bw opened(with chaos) and both are the same. what does this mean?

It means your timer resolution is already as high as it can be, so you shouldn't be having CPU lag issues.

thank you so effing much. <3
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
December 01 2008 01:15 GMT
#22
Blizz should just make an offer to hire you...
Equinox_kr
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States7395 Posts
December 01 2008 01:15 GMT
#23
On December 01 2008 08:58 Kwark wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2008 08:40 clazziquai wrote:
Btw R1CH has such an awesome icon. The first TL icon that animates? :D

Kittyloaf moves.


BREADCATTTTTTTTT <3
^-^
Ganfei
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Taiwan1439 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-01 01:27:02
December 01 2008 01:16 GMT
#24
My values are the same, and the lag I get is CPU lag, my mouse gets really slow and shitty and frames get skipped and it feels like I'm playing with really bad lag, only the connection is fine. On ICCUP, none of these problems occur (when using 1.15)

when I run a replay at 16x with 1.16 it seems to go fairly smoothly but if you look carefully you can see even at 2x that it's not truly smooth, but a combination of really stilted movement stitched together; i.e. you can see each frame if you look closely.

Also, on bnet, when I switch between screens like the join screen, the create game screen, etc, between each switch there's pretty significant lag

values: min - 15.64 ms max - 1.00 ms cur - .98 ms

takes like 3 goddamn seconds to get out of someone's profile on bnet jesus christ
You are crushing me like a cheese sandwich
Equinox_kr
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States7395 Posts
December 01 2008 02:07 GMT
#25
On December 01 2008 10:15 thedeadhaji wrote:
Blizz should just make an offer to hire you...


Seriously.
^-^
TheFlashyOne
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada450 Posts
December 01 2008 02:19 GMT
#26
doesnt work for me , i get a lower Cur value (.98) but its still laggy as fuck
Don't Spend your Life Dreaming, Live your Dream
TheFlashyOne
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada450 Posts
December 01 2008 02:19 GMT
#27
Don't Spend your Life Dreaming, Live your Dream
funkie
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Venezuela9376 Posts
December 01 2008 02:21 GMT
#28
On December 01 2008 09:27 R1CH wrote:
Are you talking about CPU lag or UDP/bnet latency? Eg, if you run a replay at 16x, is it really fast and smooth and responsive?


CPU lag.
CJ Entusman #6! · Strength is the basis of athletic ability. -Rippetoe /* http://j.mp/TL-App <- TL iPhone App 2.0! */
R1CH
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Netherlands10341 Posts
December 01 2008 03:00 GMT
#29
Well, I guess it wasn't the problem I imagined it was. Until I can reproduce the CPU lag and figure out what's causing it I don't think I'll be able to make any good fixes for it.
AdministratorTwitter: @R1CH_TL
Ganfei
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Taiwan1439 Posts
December 01 2008 04:26 GMT
#30
scratch that, i get bnet lag AND cpu lag. game i'm in right now isnt lagging for anyone else but its TERRIBLE for me.
You are crushing me like a cheese sandwich
Ganfei
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Taiwan1439 Posts
December 01 2008 04:31 GMT
#31
fuck i fucking hate this patch, iccup is down, bnet is unplayable, all i want to do is play this goddamn 10 year old game and blizzard manages to fuck it up with an obviously untested piece of shit patch that they still havent fixed during the 2 weeks that ive been forced to play exclusively on iccup
You are crushing me like a cheese sandwich
koreakool
Profile Joined January 2008
United States334 Posts
December 01 2008 04:34 GMT
#32
On December 01 2008 13:31 NoobsOfWrath wrote:
fuck i fucking hate this patch, iccup is down, bnet is unplayable, all i want to do is play this goddamn 10 year old game and blizzard manages to fuck it up with an obviously untested piece of shit patch that they still havent fixed during the 2 weeks that ive been forced to play exclusively on iccup


this is indeed a dark time in the history of starcraft for us all.
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
December 01 2008 05:00 GMT
#33
don't overblow it

not many companies patch 10 year old games, and they tried to add long requested features

I'm sure they are working on a fix
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
December 01 2008 08:29 GMT
#34
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Delvin
Profile Joined August 2007
Finland141 Posts
December 01 2008 11:44 GMT
#35
On December 01 2008 14:00 fusionsdf wrote:
don't overblow it

not many companies patch 10 year old games, and they tried to add long requested features

I'm sure they are working on a fix
This.

Besides, not everyone is even having ingame problems with 1.16. That could explain how it got through initial testing. I'm not sure how large amount of different systems Blizz tests these things with, but some people are clearly drawing too fast conclusions.

For what it's worth, my values for this were the exact same as funkie's (with the difference that funkie has problems and I don't) - so yeah, it seems likely that the cause is elsewhere.
inkblot
Profile Joined December 2004
United States1250 Posts
December 07 2008 19:22 GMT
#36
It did kill most of the lag for me. My in-game mouse sensitivity also seemed higher than usual.
Moff
Profile Joined August 2008
United Kingdom166 Posts
January 02 2009 12:17 GMT
#37
Sorry for the bump, but in the op you mentioned asking for the times, mine was 15ms before.
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