EPTthe same applies to boxer imo. so he might try and fail miserably, and it won't have any effect on his legend. however, if he is successful, then it will only further prove that he truly is a genius. there is no downside for his comeback, only positives
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SoMuchBetter
Australia10606 Posts
the same applies to boxer imo. so he might try and fail miserably, and it won't have any effect on his legend. however, if he is successful, then it will only further prove that he truly is a genius. there is no downside for his comeback, only positives | ||
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InfeSteD
United States4658 Posts
On August 09 2008 01:47 Plexa wrote: + Show Spoiler + what ack said is correct, you're not going to get any decent discussion by saying the converse of the op. People would simply post "yea! boxer hwaiting" or similar - which doesn't generate discussion. By taking the controversial view point it forces rationalization of why boxer is going to come back rather than the simple assertion to agree with the op  also if i wanted this in featured, itd be in featured True that! What 'bout my first post? Do you enjoy watching Boxer lose regardless? | ||
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maareek
United States2042 Posts
As for his individual performances: who knows how he will do. He's been basically counted out before: 1. "Lim Yo Hwan, it's over. These new players macro too well; you just can't keep up." He took oov (oov!) to game 5 in the OSL finals. 2. "Lim! You can't! These new protosses are the strongest kings ever and your TvP is weak!" He beat Pusan (and I think we all remember how crazy pusan was at this point...) and took Anytime to a deciding game in the OSL finals. 3. "Lim! You're too old! You have to go to the army soon! Your progaming days are over." He makes one of the most surprising and most impressive MSL runs we've ever seen (did you see those games v rA?). Now we face a new bout of naysayers. And they have even more reason to voice their doubts, because, as you mentioned, the road will be harder now than ever before. But in all struggles, the key component comes down not to sheer ability or experience (both of which boxer has in droves), but to heart. To desire. And nobody (nobody) plays starcraft with more heart and more vigor than boxer. I think the comparison to MJ by someone was at least a bit appropriate. It remains to be seen whether this comeback by boxer will be akin to the post baseball comeback of Jordan, or to the completely depressing comeback with the Wizards, but one thing is for sure: a Starcraft with Boxer playing is a more dynamic spectator sport than a Starcraft without him. To put it another (cruder) way: Boxer puts fans in the seats and on the streams. And what fan of Starcraft, and pro gaming in general, doesn't want that? | ||
Zelniq
United States7166 Posts
I'm disappointed to see this from you Plexa. It's always sad to see people lose faith in heroes like this. | ||
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Equinox_kr
United States7395 Posts
On August 08 2008 22:55 chameleonia wrote: maybe... but then again who saw the july golden mouse coming? Huh, I completely forgot about that. | ||
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InfeSteD
United States4658 Posts
And then with Ace, losing in Andromeda... but at least he nuked lol And then the TvP in Othello with the lockdown... Boxer is god ![[image loading]](http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/8463/28511894ai7.jpg) | ||
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Centric
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FakeSteve[TPR]
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36374 Posts
On August 09 2008 01:50 SoMuchBetter wrote: garimto attempted the same comeback that boxer will in a couple of months. he tried, and failed with a grand total of 1 televised game. it didn't tarnish his legend and nobody thought any less of him. the same applies to boxer imo. so he might try and fail miserably, and it won't have any effect on his legend. however, if he is successful, then it will only further prove that he truly is a genius. there is no downside for his comeback, only positives really? i wasn't around when garimto was playing, but i heard all of garimto's comments, about how the tosses nowadays are uncreative, and about how he's super critical while commentating. garimto had a "magic" about him, a sort of legendary feeling that doesn't surround just any player, or even any starleague winner. even though we knew garimto's comeback was a long shot, many people, including me, strongly hoped he could do the impossible, and instead we were hit in the face once more that there are no starcraft gods, only human players each with their own flaws. (if you read any of my articles for FE or otherwise, all of them are centered around this theme, that those who cheer for bonjwas are searching for a little bit of magic and supernatural-ness, the hope that an entertaining video game can transcend just two guys clicking and moving mice; even those who cheer for the underdogs have their best moments when bonjwas are ultimately defeated) that's why people gravitate to and cheer for bonjwas. people want to see legends and fairy tales. bonjwas are humans like anyone else, but for a fleeting instance they give the audience the faint hope that maybe, just maybe there's a bit of magic inside an ordinary person. every time reach and yellow and boxer and now savior loses, we are reminded of that cruel fact. nobody is superhuman, and there are no storybook endings. Bisu < Mind in the GomTV3 MSL, Jaedong losing in Bacchus quarters and Ever qualifiers (and to ForGG in Arena MSL), Flash flaming out in the recent Starleagues. Savior's entire existence after the date in my quote. We want to believe so badly that someone can recapture the magic, but reality crashes us back to earth every time. I feel the same way about Boxer. The entertainment and specialness of his style is obvious; I'll never miss a Boxer game. If there was such thing as a lifetime achievement award in Starcraft, Boxer would get it. His passion and love for and creativity in Starcraft is unmatched. But the guy isn't "clutch," and hasn't been a true champion for seven years. The guy is something like 2-5 in finals, and 0-4 in the past few years. While Boxer produced many entertaining and close finals, a true champion would have won at least a few of those. Nada wouldn't have lost all of those; Savior wouldn't have lost all of those; Oov wouldn't have lost all of those, and certainly Michael Jordan wouldn't have. For the people searching for 2000-2001 Boxer, that guy isn't coming back. Boxer has to do something he's never done in the modern SC era, and that's win a Starleague. I don't care how much you wax on about his achievements almost a decade ago, but losing to Garimto, Reach, Oov, and Anytime really tarnishes his career. But here, we're not even talking about a finals loss. We're talking about his ability to even make the OSC or Survivor league. He's got a long way to go. I was resigned that there are no fairytales in progaming, that the seasons are short and so cutthroat and close competitively that there's no room for consistent dominance anymore. (I maintain that a single SL season, roughly 1/4 a year, is equivalent to a full year of "true" sports). But then Ever 08 and July happened. The difference between July/Nada and Boxer is very simple. They've actually been able to win a starleague after a "slump" whereas Boxer hasn't. Listen, I love watching Boxer games, and I know this is probably blasphemy to a lot of people, but until he proves he can win in the biggest moments (remember, 0-4 in modern finals), I'll never see him on the same sort of level as the other true Bonjwas. The guy has two wins 7 years ago and a lot of second places. That's a hall of fame career. I know Boxer sparks a ton of deserved love from the community, but where does this irrational belief come from that he can be a champion if he tries hard enough? He hasn't done it before, and his track record, if anything, shows that its more likely he loses than succeeds EVEN IF he makes it to a final. | ||
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pubbanana
United States3063 Posts
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36374 Posts
On August 09 2008 03:47 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: it is my opinion that is a complete retard like BackHo can get to OSL simply by practicing, then someone as mentally gifted as Boxer can come back Boxer is often cited for mental strength, and I see that in his passion and dedication and creativity. However, is he truly mentally strong like July? I don't think so. No way July goes 0-4 in finals. True mental strength is performing your best when it matters most, and Boxer has consistently shown to produce losing results on the largest stage. Yes, I said it, but it's true, and nobody talks about the possibility of a Boxer chokeness in finals because everyone gives him a free pass and are blinded by the uniqueness of his style and his ambassador / legend status for the game in general. But the guy is the anti-clutch. Makes finals and loses. He has, gasp, some choker Midas in him, no matter how many comeback games and cool moves he pulls of. 0-4 proves it; his only wins come against someone who is an even bigger choker (Yellow). Therefore, he's not as mentally strong as people think he is. | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36374 Posts
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Tropics
United Kingdom1132 Posts
I feel this is a horribly timed blog. His military service is almost over and his real sink or swim moment is coming up. Even a few months down the line if he's not showing results would be far more appropriate, but saying he should quit right now is denying him his chance at revival. It's quite obvious that his drastic decline in play is due to the team he's on and not him, and it's not a very fair assumption to boxer of all people that you'd just assume he could never come back simply because the skill gap is big. If anything I'd say that'd be even more of a drive for him. | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36374 Posts
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stenole
Norway868 Posts
Boxer will return to glory. Boxer will dominate again. And every game he wins he will do it by some amazing feat of genious. | ||
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funkie
Venezuela9374 Posts
But I just have 2 words for you. Fuck You. | ||
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True_Spike
Poland3421 Posts
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36374 Posts
On August 09 2008 04:27 stenole wrote: This blog entry pretty much cancels out all the good writing you have made in the past. Boxer should quit? Why would you spout such blasphemy? Were you not happy with how many blog views you got? ... Uh, people complaining about Plexa simply articulating his opinions, please shut up. We need more threads like this on our forums. Not simply controversial or "troll" topics but ones that are well thought out and generate meaningful discussion like this one. Just because you disagree with him doesn't mean he's stupid for making such a topic, and it certainly doesn't "cancel out" contributions he wrote earlier, or show that he just wants blog views. The forums are here for us to discuss interesting topics, not spout the same "OMG BOXER GO" one liners that fill most topics about him. | ||
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sillyboy_tomato
United States157 Posts
On August 09 2008 00:53 Last Romantic wrote: If Favre isn't retired, there's no reason why BoxeR should. Best point yet | ||
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Goosey
United States695 Posts
Boxer can revive his skill and reach the top if he has the passion to do so. I believe this. Nevertheless, entertaining article even if I disagree with your final assessment.  | ||
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