EPTBoxer Should Quit Starcraft - Page 6
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zobz
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Athos
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Raithed
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Asjo
Denmark664 Posts
Sure, it would be nice to have Boxer as a coach. But I'm unimpressed by many of these new macro-based players with a boring play-style. If there is any chacne to see Boxer play well, I want him to play. And from what I've noticed he has pulled a few interesting things over the last six months. Just like it would be golden to have Saviour back, just for a few of his delightful micro moments. Calling Boxer's creative tactics "cheesing" is a bit of a simplification. The tactics in themselves might seem cheesy, but it's exactly how their done and the context that determines whether it's art of cheese. If Boxer does it and gets everything right, surprised his opponent and therefore makes a break-through for a certain cheese-like tactic, it's definately art. Often what makes him lose his opponents is that here is one step ahead and uses the right combination of cheese-like tactics to fit the exact situation. Here, micro is definately the tool that allows him to set himself apart from the crowd. | ||
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Ki_Do
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starcraft911
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Power[Xp]
Netherlands64 Posts
Go Boxer! Get back to ownage level!  | ||
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Mikilatov
United States3897 Posts
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ShinyGerbil
Canada519 Posts
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Revolutionary
Canada38 Posts
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SuperJongMan
Jamaica11586 Posts
What kinda bullshit is this? Maybe if Boxer hadn't won a game in years, maybe if he was as bad as Eliza, maybe then, you could maybe possibly think of saying something along those lines. But as of right now who and who should quit is none of your business. No matter how many editorials you write, it would never justify such a stupid article. This is some faggoty attention seek. You knew it would gain attention only because of the center of the topic, Boxer, and no other reason. If Boxer should quit, why not write an article for Pusan, Ra, Yellow, so on. This is garbage. | ||
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Cham
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Kuja900
United States3564 Posts
On August 08 2008 22:55 chameleonia wrote: maybe... but then again who saw the july golden mouse coming? Well i did but ive been preaching july for golden mouse for over year lol, but this is a good point and if nothing his win proved veterans can still get titles in this age, totally disagree and saying such things bout boxer is blasphemy still love u plexa lol | ||
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Kuja900
United States3564 Posts
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calgar
United States1277 Posts
But even if he doesn't return to top level, he still has a huge fan following and will be playing. As someone already said, most of the people in proleague will never win a championship but they still play because they are talented and they obviously enjoy it to dedicate so much time. It's kind of like michael jordan coming back with the wizards, he wasn't the best anymore but he loved the game so he wasn't going to stop playing. He still had some talent in him and was able to play at a high level. He has said he wants to go into his 30s so that's what I think we'll see happen. | ||
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MCMcEmcee
United States1609 Posts
I dunno how coming in second place in 4 separate finals necessitates a "choking" conclusion since, last I looked, a finals match isn't entirely dependent on the skill, determination, etc. of just one player. One person raising their game doesn't exclude the other person raising their game more. Having "the heart of a champion" doesn't exclude your opponent from having it. And wanting a win really badly doesn't mean you're going to get that win. I dunno, fighting your way into an OSL final and taking the eventual champ to the final game in your weakest matchup (or your dominating bonjwa star pupil) doesn't really sound like choking to me. In any case... While I don't necessarily think Boxer is going to come back and win every tournament forever and get the Kryptonite Mouse or whatever (though I wouldn't complain if he won some precious-metal mice), I do think it's very plausible for him to join SKT T1 and come back as a relevant SC player (and not just a name to fill stadium seating). I mean, it's not just that ACE has less practice time and military commitments- they don't have a stable of quality practice partners to work with, their coach is just some military guy, they don't have any depth so their players don't get many off-weeks... it really isn't much to work with. Contrast that to SKT T1, which has had quite the turnaround this season. They have the resources for someone with Boxer's will and talent to at least have a fighting chance. More than practice time, Boxer gets more people to practice with to work off the rust, and he has oov and crew to actually coach him through modern SC play; to show him the nuances of the game today, break out the stopwatch for his build timings, help him analyze his upcoming opponents, etc. Maybe all it'll take is a stint with the SKT B-team for Boxer to get back into decent form (or maybe a stint with the CJ B-team lol). If success, satisfaction, and entertainment value were only measured in gold medals, then yeah, Boxer should quit. But they aren't. Maybe he's good enough to storm into Starleague medal contention again, maybe he'll just be the most entertaining Proleague sniper ever, but I think it's very plausible for Boxer to be a successful pro-gamer after his military service. So let the Flashes and Jaedongs have their macro/mechanics "rivalries," let the horde of 1-hit wonders have their medal and their declining set of fangirls, let the Proleague beasts get BackHo'd in individual leagues, let them all get nuked into retirement or fade away before the new "big name" players. Boxer was there to turn SC from a glorified hobby into an e-sport, and it's only fitting that Boxer would be around to see pro-BW through to the end. | ||
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Elric
United Kingdom1327 Posts
 . Posters above me have made all the good counter-points. Imo, arguing for Boxer's retirement is a little premature. We should postpone this question until he gets back into a pro-team and played for a season with full training. | ||
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DeadVessel
United States6269 Posts
Boxer will know when it's time to call quits until then let the man dream and maybe we may see a strong run by him and he can secure an OSL or an MSL. At the very least he will always be a strong member for any proteam that can pick him up. With his skills/knowledge/and mentorish attitude he will be a great "hyung" or father figure for any terran on the team he's with. Of course he's most likely to go to SKT1 again but imagine him going to Lecaf or KTF. In KTF he could broaden Flash's style of play (incorporate more interesting options and make Flash a less predictable player) or he could go to Lecaf and imagine his TvZ knowledge and skills going to work on fOrGG's. While fOrGG shows refined play recently Boxer will be able to refine that play further. Though I think Boxer will go to SKT1 he will be a valuable commodity on any team even if he's not the most solid player result wise in leagues or proleague. note: If Boxer somehow goes to MBC (not going to happen but I can dream) I would literally be the happiest person in the world besides Steve. Sea/RuBy/Boxer would be a dream. Boxer there to mentor Sea and RuBy along with their incredible mechanics and game sense/style I can see them becoming league winners consistently (Boxer would probably be best for getting over any jitters concerning live games though). That was a pretty bad post and was filled with blind fanboyism and was very irrational but a man can dream =D. Again I enjoyed reading you're view Plexa but I have to respectfully disagree. | ||
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