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Boxer Should Quit Starcraft - Page 5

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XCetron
Profile Joined November 2006
5226 Posts
August 08 2008 19:41 GMT
#81
Even if boxer loses 100% of the games he play from now on, he will be forever The Emperor to me. I will still remember and speak of his legacy years from now.
Deleted User 31060
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
3788 Posts
August 08 2008 19:42 GMT
#82
Mrs. Klazart syndrome: talking down your favorite player's chances in order to trick the universe into thinking that you're actually not rooting for him, so that whatever power out there lets him actually win.
Peaked at C- on ICCUP and proud of it! @Sunyveil
Railz
Profile Joined July 2008
United States1449 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-08 19:43:54
August 08 2008 19:42 GMT
#83
Too all those cursing out Plexa, I think your anger is misplaced. Try to find reasoning to counter his thoughts, maybe you can change his mind.

That being said.

I can't quite fully agree with this article, because, well, he still wants to play. He puts on good matches and shows, and he still gets a massive amount of respect within the pro-gaming community so I'm not quite sure where this post comes from. Only reason that is really feasible as to why he should retire is he isn't the champion he once was -So what? Half the people playing now aren't and never will be champions yet they still play because they're good and have the dedication to play. Boxer wants to play, can put pro-gamer APM at age 30 and still be innovate (lol ghosts) then by all means, let him tarnish his record. If people begin to hate boxer for not winning like he used to, then they never liked him anyway, just jumping on the band wagon.
Did the whole world just get a lot smaller and go whooosh?_-` Number 0ne By.Fantasy Fanatic!
mstercrack
Profile Joined May 2007
United States43 Posts
August 08 2008 19:44 GMT
#84
Watching games played by Boxer actually brings excitement. He influenced professional starcraft and even in the midst of poor progaming his love for the game is what drives him. I don't think anyone has the right to say for him to retire.
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SlickR12345
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Macedonia408 Posts
August 08 2008 19:49 GMT
#85
That posts is so true, Boxer should retire right now, period.
Djabanete
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States2786 Posts
August 08 2008 19:52 GMT
#86
Boxer is like Voldemort. You can think he's dead, but he's out there, waiting... Waiting for his most faithful servant (IntoTheRainbOw) to return to him and they will make a comeback together!
May the BeSt man win.
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7465 Posts
August 08 2008 20:05 GMT
#87
On August 09 2008 04:27 funkie wrote:
Plexa, I don't know you very much..

But I just have 2 words for you.

Fuck You.



Wow , I don't know you...

and thats good because your a faggot.

Plexa deserves alittle more respect then that ...
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33477 Posts
August 08 2008 20:09 GMT
#88
You also have to take in account that Boxer has an insane desire to win, greater than any other progamer. He's creative and likes to put on a show, but in the end, he's the guy who put that all aside and bunker rushed 3 times in a row to get the win. In terms of effort, this won't be some half assed comeback =o
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AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7465 Posts
August 08 2008 20:12 GMT
#89
Its funny from 01-03 I hated boxer ... all he ever did was murder the zergs I was rooting for.

From 03 on (when I gave up on h.o.t,yellow,chojja) I have loved his play even though for some reason he always felt like the underdog in every finals (except the ones I wanted him to lose) throught his career. Which I never realized until now. I remember vs Anytime I was so nervous for him and the stream was SO BAD.
Leath
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Canada1724 Posts
August 08 2008 20:20 GMT
#90
I think Boxer is more than just a player for the sc community. He is starcraft!

He has the determination to be the first pro-gamer over 30, and I dont think we will be seeing the last of him. Even though he may never get a golden mouse, or even into another OSL final, his presence is so important that I dont think he should quit at all.

Too many fans... that guy is a monument.
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Ryot
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada316 Posts
August 08 2008 20:25 GMT
#91
In Pringles MSL, however, Boxer looked to be able to win the whole tournament after a ridiculously strong victory over Ra on Blitz in which Boxer showed that his macro was very much up to standard, and in fact was bloody scary.


Link to this game anybody?

And Boxer should keep playing if he wants to, obviously. He still produces entertaining games, which is a lot more than you can say of other players.
rei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3594 Posts
August 08 2008 20:26 GMT
#92
Plexa, boxer doesn't play the game for his own gains, he's playing the game for his fans. if boxer keeps on fighting, we forever will support him. It doesn't matter if he can or can not win another osl. I was screaming while watching boxer's on that last proleague match. He still got what it takes to please the spectators.

So please do not call for boxer to retire in order to prevent him from failing over and over. Instead we should cheer for him everything he steps into the booth. We have to cheer for his courage every time he picks himself up from slumps. More than everything his spirit of never give in nor give up.
GET OUT OF MY BASE CHILL
Ack1027
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States7873 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-08 20:29:05
August 08 2008 20:26 GMT
#93
On August 09 2008 04:27 funkie wrote:
Plexa, I don't know you very much..

But I just have 2 words for you.

Fuck You.


On August 09 2008 04:32 True_Spike wrote:
You're dead to me.


On August 09 2008 04:16 Tropics wrote:
Note - I haven't read most of the responses

I feel this is a horribly timed blog. His military service is almost over and his real sink or swim moment is coming up. Even a few months down the line if he's not showing results would be far more appropriate, but saying he should quit right now is denying him his chance at revival. It's quite obvious that his drastic decline in play is due to the team he's on and not him, and it's not a very fair assumption to boxer of all people that you'd just assume he could never come back simply because the skill gap is big. If anything I'd say that'd be even more of a drive for him.




K I'm sorry but this blatant disrespect for Plexa is fucking stupid. First of all, trust your instincts more? If you people are disappointed in Plexa's article here question yourselves. Plexa is a huge Boxer fan. Anyway since people don't bother to read threads in chronological order anymore, or use their brain for 2 seconds especially when reading a piece by Plexa [ final edits? old blogs? anyone? ]

Sometimes a writer puts down ideas that are opposite to his, just to encourage discussion. In this instance, Plexa [ A HUGE BOXER FAN ] wrote this to create hype for BOXER coming back So everyone who thinks this is anti-boxer hype, please think about it for 10 seconds. If you still don't get it:
On August 09 2008 01:47 Plexa wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
what ack said is correct, you're not going to get any decent discussion by saying the converse of the op. People would simply post "yea! boxer hwaiting" or similar - which doesn't generate discussion. By taking the controversial view point it forces rationalization of why boxer is going to come back rather than the simple assertion to agree with the op

also if i wanted this in featured, itd be in featured



The article makes you [ the reader ] consider the other spectrum of Boxer's return.

God reading stupid comments like
On August 09 2008 04:27 funkie wrote:
Plexa, I don't know you very much..

But I just have 2 words for you.

Fuck You.

gives me a fucking tumor.
Shiva_Chandra
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Denmark341 Posts
August 08 2008 20:34 GMT
#94
Boxer has reinvented himself so many times, catching on to new plays and developing beautiful build orders on new maps. As long as Boxer believes in himself and has the insane drive and motivation we all know and love him for, he'll be back in no time once he rejoins skt1.

"The night is darkest just before the dawn. And I promise you, the dawn is coming."
Avi @^_^@
Ancestral
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3230 Posts
August 08 2008 20:39 GMT
#95
I think BoxeR has the ability to set a precedent. There are plenty of pros who have had a record for their career as bad as BoxeR has since he joined ACE. No one thinks BoxeR is going to be #1 KeSPA ever again, but I think if his choice is to keep being a progamer, it can set a precedent for other old pros who have the same desire.

Obviously, SC progaming is only about 9 years old, and though it's not particularly likely, I see no reason why players who still post reasonable results couldn't keep playing until they're 30, 40, 50, 60 ,70, 80, or even 90 years old.

But if he chooses to quit, or become a coach, obviously his legend will keep living.

My favorite player, Nal_rA, has been posting worse results then BoxeR has for a while now, I think he's lost his last two games to BoxeR while being 11-5 against him overall. But his three proleague wins this season were still entertaining, and I clinged to them dearly, even if his opponents were of nearly the lowest caliber in those games. But, Oversky beat Jaedong so I suppose rA is better than Jaedong at least.
The Nature and purpose of the martial way are universal; all selfish desires must be roasted in the tempering fires of hard training. - Masutatsu Oyama
keit
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
1584 Posts
August 08 2008 20:46 GMT
#96
Boxer should quit and become a gasoline filler at a gas station.
Graphics
InfeSteD
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States4658 Posts
August 08 2008 20:46 GMT
#97
Poor Funkie... I am pretty sure he didn't really mean it. Like we all know... Boxer is god.. anytime his name is brought up a lot of emotions come with it. It's the Boxer curse... people will react crazy.

I think we can give everybody a break in this thread because it is a boxer thread... anything can come out of it.

If someone in the streets told me that Boxer sux, I'd prolly go crazy on them and kill 'em or something..
w/e
MeriaDoKk
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Chile1726 Posts
August 08 2008 20:47 GMT
#98
I dont agree, if Boxer believes he can still play, let him do it.
Zelniq
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States7166 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-08 20:54:02
August 08 2008 20:50 GMT
#99
On August 09 2008 05:09 Waxangel wrote:
You also have to take in account that Boxer has an insane desire to win, greater than any other progamer. He's creative and likes to put on a show, but in the end, he's the guy who put that all aside and bunker rushed 3 times in a row to get the win. In terms of effort, this won't be some half assed comeback =o

you said what has been in the back of my mind for a while... boxer seems to me a unique progamer, with a strong love for the game and a stronger desire to continue to play it for as long as possible. I think willpower makes all the difference when it comes to progaming, especially older pros trying to make a comeback. He will give it his all and we will see the fruits of his efforts.

If any old school player is going to make a comeback, it's going to be Boxer.

Yet I say this and am still concerned as the competition is just so high among all the newcomers
But that doesn't mean he should quit progmaming, it just means he might fail at his comeback. I'm confident he'd regret it for the rest of his life if he quit before even trying to fulfilling his aspirations and goals that he still has for SC.
ModeratorBlame yourself or God
IzzyCraft
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4487 Posts
August 08 2008 20:54 GMT
#100
Yeah it's not hard to notice that boxer's more modern macro playing style doesn't work out very often and most games he wins are short but one thing boxer has is fan fare to say fans will follow him is nearly worth him on a pro team.
I have ass for brains so,
even when I shit I'm droping knowledge.
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