EPToov: hey old teacher, if you lose to those 13 year old kids again, you are going to clean the toilet for 1 week.
Boxer Should Quit Starcraft - Page 12
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hixhix
1158 Posts
oov: hey old teacher, if you lose to those 13 year old kids again, you are going to clean the toilet for 1 week. | ||
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aRod
United States758 Posts
On August 10 2008 04:42 FirstBorn wrote: I think I'll hold my vote until I see him play again. This is what everyone should do. | ||
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mstercrack
United States43 Posts
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GunsofthePatriots
South Africa991 Posts
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cgrinker
United States3824 Posts
He can win Incruit too, I'd be fine with that. Sorry about that Dragon Ball reference. *EDIT* Sorry that was MSL offlines and he lost. My fault | ||
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Ancestral
United States3230 Posts
I think his defense of the Man himself is more intense because he's closer to him than almost anyone on TL.net. | ||
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inb4RUSH
Sweden85 Posts
He would make a great coach no doubt. | ||
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Darkmole
United States900 Posts
from what i think once Boxer is at his 30's he will quit a month of later but i dont care if Boxer loses because his games are entertaining | ||
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SaveYourSavior
United States1071 Posts
Not Boxer though, he has a lot of passion for the game and has great skill in the game. He doesn't care for the money or fame as much as simply enjoying a good game of Starcraft. I got pretty bored of playing Starcraft by mass gaming for a few weeks on Iccup, but this guy Boxer has a beastly love and addiction for Starcraft playing for approximately 7-8 years. iLoveoov, Boxer's "son", burned out faster than Boxer not because of some silly arm injury but because in my opinion, he simply lost the passion to play maybe due to the fact that he wasn't the best anymore. Signs of either a quitter or someone who doesn't seem to have much fun with the game. Take your pick. Once again this is just my opinion but talented players who go to coaching are lamers. You argue that Boxer should quit because frankly he is never going to win anything big but that's not what its about. As corny as it sounds its not all about him winning but more for having fun with some computer game that entertains mass legions of people. | ||
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CFDragon
United States304 Posts
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only_human89
United States212 Posts
The top Korean pro gamers only have a win percentage of around 60% overall. Up to 70% if they are having a good season. Of course there are some exceptions. I know Savior had a crazy win ratio once. I think it would be fair to say if Boxer get's back to a stronger team with more practice time he could easily increase that number. I think what is fairer to say is that he probably will not dominate any of the leagues like he used to. In fact no one has since Savior. There are too many strong, newer players for there to probably be any real dominance period for any one player now. I mean come on we've had Bisu, Stork, Mind, Jaedong, and Flash who have all been talked about to be the next hero of the pro gaming scene. They all are just too good in my opinion so it will be hard for anyone one player to have consistent showings at any of the various leagues throughout seasons. I think the main good that could come from a Boxer comeback is immortality. Boxer is easily in the upper bracket as far as his age is concerned. Right now the leagues are highly focused on the younger, newer crowds joining the scene. If Boxer can show that old guys can play to it will change people's thoughts about how long a pro gamers career should last. There should never be an age limit on how young a person has to be until they should retire. I mean seriously most of those guys we consider old are mid 20's at best. These guys would be considered kids to my parents and babies to an even older person. Age is something that has bothered me for awhile about the leagues and the cultural viewpoint on that is something I would like to see changed. Other than cheers and gg's. GO BOXER! | ||
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ForVengeance
United States111 Posts
One last thing, watching Boxer play Starcraft in the old days made me realize that Starcraft is not a toy. It really somehow through happy accident and brilliant innovation has been made into an art form that is unique. It is literally the greatest videogame of all time, worthy of being called a "sport". And i still see Boxer doing shit from time to time that reminds me of all that. Its not even really about winning games. Of course, competing essentially IS about winning or losing but when you start to take dumps on people for having to take time away to serve their country or for moving on with their life or considering that only robot like ultra efficient but boring playing styles of 15 year old kids are worthy of the game then YOU have lost. | ||
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rA.Hippie
Denmark714 Posts
Boxer lives forever. | ||
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HeadBangaa
United States6512 Posts
Watching a Boxer game feels different, much more entertaining than any other player. He's the most unique and important SC player. | ||
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humblegar
Norway883 Posts
On August 09 2008 19:49 Rekrul wrote: while your post is overall correct Boxer has Starcraft and nothing else, except coaching (I doubt he wants to be a commentator). LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL BOXER HAS LIFE, HE ALREADY WON LIFE AND WILL CONTINUE WINNING LIFE UNTIL UNTIL HE DIES BOXER CAN DO WHATEVER THE FUCK HE WANTS FUCK UR ALL RETARDS I am sure if you just relaxed you could perhaps see that I did not mean he has no life. I have crazy as me in my bookshelf, a present from Yakii, and I watch every game he plays. So no, I did not mean it like that. I ment it in a way that he is Starcraft, Starcraft is him, his life, what he wants, what he does. And as far as I have understood him from interviews, that's how he wants it to be. | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
It can be sad when old legends continue past their primes and start losing but you know, this isn't boxing or MMA, there's no physical repercussions for losing. As long as he enjoys doing what he's doing I think he should continue. On August 09 2008 04:03 Hot_Bid wrote: Boxer is often cited for mental strength, and I see that in his passion and dedication and creativity. However, is he truly mentally strong like July? I don't think so. No way July goes 0-4 in finals. True mental strength is performing your best when it matters most, and Boxer has consistently shown to produce losing results on the largest stage. Yes, I said it, but it's true, and nobody talks about the possibility of a Boxer chokeness in finals because everyone gives him a free pass and are blinded by the uniqueness of his style and his ambassador / legend status for the game in general. But the guy is the anti-clutch. Makes finals and loses. He has, gasp, some choker Midas in him, no matter how many comeback games and cool moves he pulls of. 0-4 proves it; his only wins come against someone who is an even bigger choker (Yellow). Therefore, he's not as mentally strong as people think he is. All of boxers "chokes" came when facing protoss players. Which is, and always has been, his weakest matchup. In addition he might very well have had 3 OSL wins if they hadn't changed the maps without prior notice (ie they removed a tank drop spot on incubus without telling anyone, so boxer opened fast tank drop and tried to drop tanks only to find there was only water). I don't know if boxer is exceptionally strong when it comes to nerves, but I don't think any of his losses (in finals) were "chokes"... | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
i don't follow pro gaming but that seems simple enough | ||
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Railz
United States1449 Posts
In addition he might very well have had 3 OSL wins if they hadn't changed the maps without prior notice (ie they removed a tank drop spot on incubus without telling anyone, so boxer opened fast tank drop and tried to drop tanks only to find there was only water). I don't know if boxer is exceptionally strong when it comes to nerves, but I don't think any of his losses (in finals) were "chokes"... + Show Spoiler + When I was reading Boxer's autobiography type book, that moment kind of ticked me off. He took it so passively when it would have changed the way people look back. It could have been 3 straight OSLs if not for that. | ||
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QuietIdiot
7004 Posts
1.) Boxer started "slumping" once he entered a remission state into his military service and into ACE, as stated, he was doing particularly well in MSL but was unfortunately cut off. As of now, Boxer gets about half the practice time a regular progamer does and I think that's the biggest factor to his decline atm. This 1.5 year gap doesn't suddenly mean Boxer has suddenly grown white hair and crippled, but rather out of practice, it is a fact that human reaction time does not degenerate significantly until you are in your 30s, and drops little by little until your 60s where it drops significantly from there on, I will pull a source info on this when I get the chance, I'm 99% sure I read this somewhere, so that is not a huge problem for boxer now. 2.) The skill disparity of progamers is extremely close and results are becoming more and more varied. Its possible for Yellow to STILL manage to be a threat in a tournament vs younger players, a relatively little known protoss to take down jaedong in a bo3, a subpar zerg with 30% win rec on tv to beat Casy, or even Junwi edge out a win vs Sheis in the prelims, and even Frozen,rumble, backho making it to the OSL. There are tons of progamers who I think are better than the ones seen on TV who have not yet seen the spotlight, and they haven't gotten the chance cause its so difficult to break out of the small lines in between. Older players contend with playing differently than the younger, using their experiences to gain build order advantages and having a stronger mentality/intuition for the game, although I will admit many older gamers have faltered, when boxer loses, he does not falter in the same crippling way as he rarely ever loses to cheese, nor surprise tactics, which shows some consistent strength on its own. He gets overwhelmed by superior macro many of the times, but that's always been an Achilles heel to him, especially in his tvp, but his TvT has shown some modest success, and his rare wins tvz/tvp showed some highly effective and creative play, no different than in his prime. I believe starcraft has "matured" now, strategies and flow of play is no longer a big wtf of surprises and people practice days on end to match timing, build orders, and other collective skills, since it has become so much more understood now, it gives anyone the ability with this inferior quality vs this superior quality a fighting chance by fitting to their strengths/style by alternating build order plans and tactics to suit their needs. With some exceptions, I believe the majority of all progamers fit the middle line, with the best of them with some little qualities that make them stand out, IE jaedong's mechanics, forgg's insane macro/timing, Much's analytical play, Nada's adaptability, and Boxer's creativity fits the same bill. Sure, people can make out creative plays here and there, but Boxer's ingenuity practically kept him alive all these years when his mechanics weren't on the same level of his opponents, and that in itself is an admirable trait. I wouldn't go as far as boxer will be forced to cheese to get wins from now on, but what I do know is he going to abuse all of the maps little niches and create a build order to negate the current trends of that map, as he always has. On August 10 2008 14:09 travis wrote: if someone sucks they should stop if they don't plan on getting better i don't follow pro gaming but that seems simple enough That could be said about a lot of people out in real life, but if they love it so much, enjoy it and fulfills them in a way and has the option to stay, then let em' be. | ||
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Skew
United States1020 Posts
/bows | ||
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