• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 05:20
CET 11:20
KST 19:20
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting12[ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent11Team TLMC #5: Winners Announced!3
Community News
$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship2[BSL21] RO32 Group Stage1Weekly Cups (Oct 26-Nov 2): Liquid, Clem, Solar win; LAN in Philly2Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win62025 RSL Offline Finals Dates + Ticket Sales!10
StarCraft 2
General
RotterdaM "Serral is the GOAT, and it's not close" TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting RSL S3 Round of 16 [TLCH] Mission 7: Last Stand Weekly Cups (Oct 26-Nov 2): Liquid, Clem, Solar win; LAN in Philly
Tourneys
$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship $3,500 WardiTV Korean Royale S4 WardiTV Mondays Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Monday Nights Weeklies
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened Mutation # 496 Endless Infection Mutation # 495 Rest In Peace
Brood War
General
SnOw's ASL S20 Finals Review [ASL20] Ask the mapmakers — Drop your questions [BSL21] RO32 Group Stage BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ RSL S3 ro16
Tourneys
BSL21 Open Qualifiers Week & CONFIRM PARTICIPATION [ASL20] Grand Finals Small VOD Thread 2.0 The Casual Games of the Week Thread
Strategy
Current Meta How to stay on top of macro? PvZ map balance Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Dawn of War IV Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread ZeroSpace Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Dating: How's your luck? Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Why we need SC3
Hildegard
Career Paths and Skills for …
TrAiDoS
Reality "theory" prov…
perfectspheres
Our Last Hope in th…
KrillinFromwales
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1655 users

Boxer Should Quit Starcraft - Page 13

Blogs > Plexa
Post a Reply
Prev 1 11 12 13 14 Next All
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7465 Posts
August 10 2008 08:58 GMT
#241
On August 10 2008 17:47 Skew wrote:
Ahhh... you guys and your "BoxeR". Luckily, NaDa's big balls blocked out all that GARBAGE.

/bows


All I have to say is Backho 2:0 Nada .......

Backho is known as the biggest retard in pro gamming... He is stupid for a Toss even .... which is pretty hard.
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
August 10 2008 09:00 GMT
#242
I wonder if for some of the old school gamers, pro SC is turning into a chore for them, like it did to IntoTheRain. Maybe they are losing motivation and their drive?
luiohh
Profile Joined February 2008
Bangladesh78 Posts
August 10 2008 09:01 GMT
#243
Why should Boxer quit?

1. For the fans? The fans still love him. We still want to see him perform.

2. For himself, because he can't win any more?

- Just as old school players like Garimto have tried and failed, others like JulyZerg have
succeeded. Using 'cheese' and creative strategies in two of the three matches in the OSL final, no less.

- Experience, especially when it comes to the big stage, surely must count for something. Boxer has experience in spades.

- In the airforce, Boxer does not receive adequate training time, and the standard of practice partners probably isn't there. Once he gets out, I believe he can perform, as long as he has the motivation to train and win.

- 'Form is temporary, class is permanent'. Or something. Why, exactly, do you say that Boxer cannot scale this steep learning curve?

- Even if Boxer may never win, does that he should stop trying? Realistically speaking, more than half of the progamers will never get anywhere close to a starleague title. Win a starleague, or die trying. The arguments you listed - mass influx of gamers, big difference in skill - applies to every relatively older gamer. Should they quit as well?

- I think your argument that there is a 'Boxer' effect, without further substantiation, is pure conjecture. Boxer has been out of it for a while now. Is it not as likely that gamers, recognising the skill differences between him and present gamers as you say, will underestimate him?
Skew
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States1019 Posts
August 10 2008 09:16 GMT
#244
On August 10 2008 17:58 AttackZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2008 17:47 Skew wrote:
Ahhh... you guys and your "BoxeR". Luckily, NaDa's big balls blocked out all that GARBAGE.

/bows


All I have to say is Backho 2:0 Nada .......

Backho is known as the biggest retard in pro gamming... He is stupid for a Toss even .... which is pretty hard.


You hurt my heart.
Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17731 Posts
August 10 2008 09:24 GMT
#245
On August 10 2008 04:50 hixhix wrote:
somewhat off topic: imagine if boxer is back to SKT1 and practices under oov's supervision, it'd be awkward.

oov: hey old teacher, if you lose to those 13 year old kids again, you are going to clean the toilet for 1 week.

oov in ilovestar said boxer never formally taught him it was more of a watch me play and learn by copying or something like that. And oov said boxer didnt come to his wedding
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
Kuja900
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3564 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-10 09:27:23
August 10 2008 09:24 GMT
#246
ugh wrong thread sry i gotta stop having multiple tabs of tl open
OMG you nasty gurl
mrdx
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Vietnam1555 Posts
August 10 2008 10:03 GMT
#247
Who thinks Boxer should quit Starcraft before Starcraft ends should ask yourself whether you really love this game.
BoxerForever.com - the one and only international Boxer fansite since 2006 :)
Puosu
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
6990 Posts
August 10 2008 11:02 GMT
#248
On August 10 2008 18:24 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2008 04:50 hixhix wrote:
somewhat off topic: imagine if boxer is back to SKT1 and practices under oov's supervision, it'd be awkward.

oov: hey old teacher, if you lose to those 13 year old kids again, you are going to clean the toilet for 1 week.

oov in ilovestar said boxer never formally taught him it was more of a watch me play and learn by copying or something like that. And oov said boxer didnt come to his wedding

Even Boxer probably can't skip army to go to a wedding..

I'm sure he would've gone had he had the chance.
JustQuitWarcraftIII
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States679 Posts
August 10 2008 17:58 GMT
#249
Plexa's missing the point here. Boxer's progaming life isn't all about winning, but about his style and passion. Even when he loses, he brings us excitement and hope.

Honestly, Boxer's unique game vs Odin was superior to any of the 3-0 utter rape finals.
Tetsuo_AKIRA
Profile Joined March 2007
United States38 Posts
August 10 2008 19:38 GMT
#250
Requesting some boxer videos from his prime to cheer me up!
Hesitation is always the last mistake. Even in uncertainty, choose.
RamenStyle
Profile Joined September 2004
United States1929 Posts
August 10 2008 23:38 GMT
#251
Boxer shouldn't retire. Even if he goes into a 1W-10L record, if that 1 win is achieved with one of his amazing creative strats, his fans will be happy. And so will be most of the sc community. He has a huge impact on the game even if he is not owning the proscene. Just look at his ghost lockdown against arbiters vs Free. Couple of weeks later it was used by other progamer(can't remember what terran was). And had he won that game vs Odin with the nukes, well, I don't have to tell you how the media and fans would have reacted.

Boxer hanging in there, giving his fans some crazy wins here and there, is enough for the progaming community to keep dreaming about his comeback. And the day that not only does he give a crazy strat win to the fans from time to time, but he manages to use those strats to climb again to a starleague final, THAT alone could bring another golden era for starcraft in terms of audience and media.
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7465 Posts
August 10 2008 23:43 GMT
#252
On August 10 2008 18:16 Skew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2008 17:58 AttackZerg wrote:
On August 10 2008 17:47 Skew wrote:
Ahhh... you guys and your "BoxeR". Luckily, NaDa's big balls blocked out all that GARBAGE.

/bows


All I have to say is Backho 2:0 Nada .......

Backho is known as the biggest retard in pro gamming... He is stupid for a Toss even .... which is pretty hard.


You hurt my heart.



Alex I love you and your weak nada loving heart!

PS do not lose to machine at wcg... I will anthrax you. Period.
Neo7
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States922 Posts
August 16 2008 17:38 GMT
#253
I can see BoxeR getting one little squeeze out of his pro-gaming career after he leaves the military due to his personality (the guy won't give up). But he should go to being a coach.
It takes an idiot to do cool things.
jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
August 19 2008 18:38 GMT
#254
Plexa's blogs contradict each other, obviously the map pool is going to be changed to favor boxer's return.
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
August 22 2008 22:07 GMT
#255
On August 11 2008 04:38 Tetsuo_AKIRA wrote:
Requesting some boxer videos from his prime to cheer me up!


Boxer vs 13 zerg


Boxer - God is in the TV


Boxer - Best highlights


Boxer - An Emperor returned


I just say this, if you think Boxer should retire I must tell you you're a fucking retard!


Btw, the last is very emotional if you're a hardcore boxer fanboy like me. ^^
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
UmmTheHobo
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States650 Posts
August 23 2008 03:12 GMT
#256
It would be a damn shame if the only player with balls left professional starcraft.
...
Elvin_vn
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
Vietnam2038 Posts
October 02 2008 13:25 GMT
#257
one shall not doubt the "he"
do not agrue with idiots, they will pull you down to their level and beat you with their experiences
diehilde
Profile Joined September 2008
Germany1596 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-02 15:40:13
October 02 2008 15:25 GMT
#258
hm funny how u get flamed with 25 posts by saying basically the same to all the overexcited boxer fanboys after todays games, but when plexa writes an article about it, nobody denies the obvious.

btw i just found this in plexas "to bolt is to boxer", written 3 weeks after this article:
"The Emperor is returning with one goal in mind – winning the Golden Mouse. Boxer will show us the way forward through these dark times and revitalize the glorious Starcraft scene and preserve it for years to come."

Kinda makes me wonder if u put ur honest opinion in articles or just write anything for the sake of a good article. I mean its quite a 180° turn to go from "boxer u have gotten too far behind, stop embarassing yourself and ur fans and quit" to "boxer will revitalize the scene and be the shining light".

edit: oh I just read ur second post, seems u started to believe again much earlier. Well, to put it in ur own words "as much as I would cream my pants seeing Boxer in an OSL finals again, realistically it will never happen".
Maybe in SC2 though, his talent and understanding of strategy games is still undeniably one of the best, if not the best.
Savior: "I will cheat everyone again in SC2!" - SCII Beta Tester
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
October 02 2008 15:33 GMT
#259
On October 03 2008 00:25 damenmofa wrote:
hm funny how u get flamed with 25 posts by saying basically the same to all the overexcited boxer fanboys after todays games, but when plexa writes an article about it, nobody denies the obvious.


WTF?
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
Steelflight-Rx
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States1389 Posts
October 02 2008 16:56 GMT
#260
On August 08 2008 23:02 BottleAbuser wrote:
To oversimplify: Boxer needs more practice than he can get, and his style won't get him anywhere anymore - he's playing against a different crowd.

Well...... you just spent like 9/10 of your post talking about how he was awesome because he kept changing his style. *shrug*

I dunno, I think it's still possible that starcraft can be optimized more, and it's possible that boxer will do it. Not holding my breath, but that's no reason to quit.

his style will get him a fanbase and sponsorships.. maybe its not all about winning titles? whats he gunna do, quit playing the game he loves and go work a desk job somewhere?
yubee wrote: you know? it's a great night you should all smile no matter what harddships, because grass grows and the sky is blue and it's a good life.
Prev 1 11 12 13 14 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
09:00
Crank Gathers S2: Playoffs D4
CranKy Ducklings106
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ProTech134
Livibee 67
StarCraft: Brood War
Rain 8715
Sea 4204
Bisu 1589
Pusan 448
Stork 297
Leta 140
ZerO 119
ToSsGirL 113
Barracks 111
Sharp 85
[ Show more ]
Last 57
Aegong 45
zelot 35
JulyZerg 26
Dota 2
XcaliburYe554
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King85
Other Games
summit1g15906
singsing664
ceh9402
crisheroes194
XaKoH 171
SortOf74
ZerO(Twitch)12
Fuzer 7
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick635
Counter-Strike
PGL131
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 14
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 51
• LUISG 35
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos1595
• Stunt1048
• HappyZerGling82
Upcoming Events
WardiTV Korean Royale
1h 40m
LAN Event
4h 40m
OSC
12h 40m
The PondCast
23h 40m
LAN Event
1d 4h
Replay Cast
1d 12h
OSC
2 days
LAN Event
2 days
Korean StarCraft League
2 days
CranKy Ducklings
2 days
[ Show More ]
WardiTV Korean Royale
3 days
LAN Event
3 days
IPSL
3 days
dxtr13 vs OldBoy
Napoleon vs Doodle
Replay Cast
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
4 days
LAN Event
4 days
IPSL
4 days
JDConan vs WIZARD
WolFix vs Cross
Replay Cast
4 days
Wardi Open
5 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL 21 Points
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025

Upcoming

BSL Season 21
SLON Tour Season 2
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
RSL Revival: Season 3
Stellar Fest
META Madness #9
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.