EPTBoxer Should Quit Starcraft - Page 3
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Zalfor
United States1035 Posts
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Last Romantic
United States20667 Posts
On August 08 2008 23:03 alffla wrote: WTF NO WAI EVEN THOUGH I HATE BOXER SO MUCH BECAUSE IM A HARDCORE YELLOW FAN BUT HOW CAN U SAY SUCH THINGS T_____T PLEAXAAA!!! If Favre isn't retired, there's no reason why BoxeR should. | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On August 09 2008 00:51 Zalfor wrote: because boxer quits? or because sc2 comes out? once boxer quits, sc will die  | ||
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Ack1027
United States7873 Posts
Grats to Plexa for having the balls to post something like this. Instead of responses like alffla's [ very understandable =p ] we should applaud this progression of TL writing. It seems like every Boxer thread in recent months involves people posting a few sentences in support of Boxer and then never checking back or progressing the discussion. There's real content here folks, so let's talk about it. After all, there isn't much time left till he comes back to SKT1. Another thing to discuss is the optimistic side of ACE. [ I'm definitely not an optimist but.... ] His legacy left behind for the new comers from KTF etc~ | ||
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Showtime!
Canada2938 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Plexa's right. | ||
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
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il0seonpurpose
Korea (South)5638 Posts
But I don't agree with you saying he will become just another terran, he invented terran dropship plays and his micro, especially in the early years. And also, his macro has gotten better, his micro isn't that good but he's been playing more of TvP's. But plexa, you got some balls to write something like this. I'm suprised that nobody has tried to flame you for writing something like this. Maybe cuz you're plexa? :D | ||
GHOSTCLAW
United States17042 Posts
On August 09 2008 00:16 Plexa wrote: You're more than welcome to disagree with this blog, thats the entire point of posting a controversial argument! And in fact your post is very good rebuttal to the initial blog <3 kudos From your post (and some of the others!) there are two things on which to judge this by; 1) What is success for Boxer? 2) Is his motivation to play enough for him to succeed (to the extent in 1). The first part is completely subjective. Some people just want to watch his games and watch him play creatively, while others expect him to be a starleague contender. With this varying level of expectation there is atleast bound to be some disappointment amongst fans (unless he wins a golden mouse of course). But an important thing to factor in is what does success mean to Boxer?. What level of play will satisfy his urges to get better? Being a natural champion i doubt he would be settling for anything less than starleague contention. And this brings up nicely point (2) Does Boxer have the determination to get to that point? Difficult to say really. While the margins are larger than they were before Boxer has been the master of reinvention and revival. He has faced some very hard times (especially in 2003) and has come back even stronger each time. Somehow i don't think Boxer will give up, ever, theres too much riding on him. But at the same time i don't think he'll get back to starleague contention because of the enormous setback he has taken. Then comes this question - what is the best way for Boxer to spend his time? Coaching others and creating the best progaming team in existence like he did before, or similarly diverting his attention to other facets of esports. OR should he continue to play and likely not go anywhere. Personally to me the better spending of his time is in coaching or similar rather than playing. And thats why Boxer should (but won't) quit Starcraft. I agree with you in that his time is probably better spent playing/coaching sc. This will allow him to lead a team to victory, and still play the game he loves. HOWEVER- I don't see him doing that either. His will to win and his love of the game is so strong, and you can see that in all of the revivals that you've spoken about. In boxer's case, when there is a will, there is a way, and that is why all of the fans keep seeing visions of finals/golden mice. Seeing that he's been playing for such a long time, we can look at the things that makes boxer different from other players (especially all of the ones that have retired). He has the ability to lead, and that's certainly one thing that has kept him in progaming all of these years, and which has been expounded upon in the original post. What else makes him (and to some extent, july and Nada) able to stay around all these years? I think that there's a case to be made that his mind, along with his deeper knowledge of the game will allow him to revolutionize the game once again. He has played during every single revolution, and the fact that he was there when it all started may start to help him, instead of hinder him. The skill gap does exist, and the game is intensely competitive at the pro level. Boxer's hands are not fast compared to other progamers anymore, his micro isn't as important, and he hasn't had as much time to practice. All of these are reasons why boxer should retire. His previous declines before have never been as sharp as his current low. And yet- he still thinks he can come back and win; for this reason alone, most of teamliquid will not give up on him, progamers still fear him, and he still wins and leads effectively. Boxer's builds have not been known for their reason, Boxer at times like these has not been known for reason; This is why boxer's gameplay looks insane when he is at his best. And that is why we hope. | ||
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
On August 09 2008 00:07 FzeroXx wrote: Savior, for example, couldn't cope with having to change his strategy at all. Once it was exposed he was ruined. That isn't what happened at all. | ||
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ramen247
United States1256 Posts
but if savior decided he wanted to quit today, i think every single person would go WTF ZOMFG?! its the same with boxer. boxer definitely as the power and determination to become bonjwa again. He knows the game like the back of his hand and that will let him prevail over the stupid macro of flash. | ||
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SoMuchBetter
Australia10606 Posts
On August 09 2008 01:10 Plexa wrote: As a small tangent point, Iloveoov lacked the motivation to keep fighting (one could argue that without boxer this was inevitable anyway) and Boxer went into bigger slumps than Oov did. This shows that Boxer has got significantly greater determination/motivation to keep going. The question becomes is that quantity enough? oov had a wrist injury, it wasnt a question of motivation | ||
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FreeDoM[YA]
Canada855 Posts
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On August 09 2008 01:23 SoMuchBetter wrote: That was a contributing factor, but his motivation for broodwar diminished rapidly in 2006 oov had a wrist injury, it wasnt a question of motivation it was a well known factFYI ChRh had a wrist injury and he continued to play after recovering (and taking some time off) - ultimately the two kicked oov in the balls too hard and he gave it in | ||
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KrAzYfoOL
Australia3037 Posts
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yubee
United States3826 Posts
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InfeSteD
United States4658 Posts
I enjoy watching Boxer lose too. He is entertaining, even when he loses! SC is all about bringing audience, etc. Boxer will always be able to do that, even if he's got that type of record. I love watching Boxer lose to the new kids! I Love it love it!!! "It's like watching Kobe Bryant dunk it all over Michael Jordan in '98" That's who Boxer is for me. I want him there forever, even if he is taking up the little one, I still love it =) I dunno if that makes sense... what do you guys think? | ||
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InfeSteD
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Ack1027
United States7873 Posts
If you read Plexa's opening post with the mentality that he is playing devil's advocate you will see why saying: On August 09 2008 01:35 InfeSteD[rA] wrote: Oh! and a good example would be this... If you would have talked good about Boxer instead of bad.. this would be in the Featured Threads instead... lol doesn't make sense. If this article ' talked good about boxer ' then it wouldn't be featured either. | ||
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
what ack said is correct, you're not going to get any decent discussion by saying the converse of the op. People would simply post "yea! boxer hwaiting" or similar - which doesn't generate discussion. By taking the controversial view point it forces rationalization of why boxer is going to come back rather than the simple assertion to agree with the op also if i wanted this in featured, itd be in featured | ||
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The_Protagonist_
United States40 Posts
boxer another terran?? boxer is THE terran. | ||
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, but I can not agree with your blog because:
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