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Flyingsnow
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Japan208 Posts
June 22 2008 08:07 GMT
#1
Hi TL!
I've been active around here for a couple years and don't post much but enjoy being here alot.
It is a great joy for me to play this game but now I come to you because of a problem which might put an end to my fun. Lately I've been having mouse wrist issues. It usually starts from long macro games and flairs up every once in a while. I've tried taking a break for about 5 days and then playing again but I'm right back where I started. I've looked up wiki and searched on a couple things but I'm not too sure about whats going on. I believe it may be tendonitis or maybe beginnings of carpal tunnel. It's not extremely painful but it is annoying and every once in a while becomes fairly noticeable. Any suggestions?

My current set up is:
Mac
MX518
No mouse pad just piece of paper.
Tennis player

Not sure what my posture is really when I'm into a game.
I used to have a really bad shoulder problem in the past with my left shoulder but it was completely solved by buying a 2 button mouse and improved posture.

****
HaLLeBaRy
Profile Joined May 2008
Turkey340 Posts
June 22 2008 08:12 GMT
#2
The bigger mystery is how pros avoid having carpal tunnel. Particularly nada whose been around forever playing with 400 apm every game - what's the secret?
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-22 08:15:56
June 22 2008 08:15 GMT
#3
make sure your posture is good

and whenever your wrist hurts, for the love of god, stop playing

you are just asking for trouble if you don't

take another break, if it doesnt improve, see a doctor
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HaLLeBaRy
Profile Joined May 2008
Turkey340 Posts
June 22 2008 08:29 GMT
#4
well how do you know when they hurt? after playing too long theres a slight pain under my wrist becuase the mousepad leaves a mark there but it goes away in a few seconds
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-22 09:25:13
June 22 2008 08:33 GMT
#5
Haha well I am a tennis player (really competitive) and I use MX518 as well but I have no problems at all :o I don't think the fact that I use a FuncPad instead of a paper would make a difference either. Well first of all, how long do you play for? I always take a 30~ minute break after around two hours to stand up, stretch, and stuff like that.

I suggest taking a pretty long break, like 10 days and see where that takes you. Also, like fusionsdf said make sure your posture is good. I constantly make sure my back and shoulders are straight because I sure don't want SC to lead some chronic back problems or whatever. But Idk if this relates to your wrist problem :o

If all fails, see a doctor!
HaLLeBaRy
Profile Joined May 2008
Turkey340 Posts
June 22 2008 08:38 GMT
#6
chronic back problem> wrist pain
DragoonPK
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
3259 Posts
June 22 2008 09:02 GMT
#7
I play both tennis and martial arts competitively. I have gone through many injuries, I had a couple of wrist and arm injuries and the best thing that worked with me was either reducing training or taking a break from starcraft. Wait for a week or so, if the pain still is bad and isn't reducing go see a doctor. Just like oneother said.
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
June 22 2008 09:24 GMT
#8
On June 22 2008 17:38 HaLLeBaRy wrote:
chronic back problem> wrist pain


obv?
UbRi
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Italy603 Posts
June 22 2008 10:34 GMT
#9
mx518 is an unconfortable mouse, i've been having it for a while and he was just too big for my hand, I'm not too sure it's the mouse but I suggest you to try another one, the first you happen to have in your house, just to see if you feel the same pain
NotSupporting
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden1998 Posts
June 22 2008 11:11 GMT
#10
I have been having this too, it's better now though. I did some things to make it better:
- Easier mouse
- High sensitive on the mouse so you don't have to move your wrist so much
- Regular training (guess you already do)

I don't really think APM matters to much as long as you are thinking about how your sitting and so on. I have about 280-300 APM but I am still fine.
Rambling.
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Canada314 Posts
June 22 2008 11:14 GMT
#11
carpal tunnel, every pro gamers worst nightmare
An unfortunate person is one who tries to fart but shits instead
CaucasianAsian
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Korea (South)11598 Posts
June 22 2008 15:01 GMT
#12
or just dont use the computer for a few days. it works 100% for me
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Flyingsnow
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Japan208 Posts
June 22 2008 15:42 GMT
#13
Thanks for all the replies everyone
thoraxe
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States1449 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-22 16:13:01
June 22 2008 15:44 GMT
#14
They're called gamer wrists, pretty much anyone with micro has them. like me.

Can someone post some pics or gamers with them?
just watch this, sorry for not knowing how to embed http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid1213894105/bclid1237906065/bctid1237906064
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Flyingsnow
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Japan208 Posts
June 22 2008 16:29 GMT
#15
On June 22 2008 17:29 HaLLeBaRy wrote:
well how do you know when they hurt? after playing too long theres a slight pain under my wrist becuase the mousepad leaves a mark there but it goes away in a few seconds


The pain is sharp, comes from the joint area around the middle, and hurts enough to make me want to stop. It doesn't take as much effect when I stop playing but it does give a slight sting every now and then when I make the same motion afterwards.

I just woke up this morning and it feels ok but I will be laying off the gaming as many have suggested.
crabapple
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States397 Posts
June 22 2008 16:55 GMT
#16
prolotherapy. chronic musculoskeletal problems are due to ligament and tendon damage. your bones are probably fine. if it was a muscle problem, it would go away in weeks, if not days.

regular hospitals don't have anything for you to regrow and repair your connective tissue (ligaments and tendons) the body can do it naturally via inflammation, so prolotherapy is the answer. (way cheaper than cortisone shots or surgery, which 1) cortizone will destroy your connective tissue while relaxing the muscles - it's not a muscle problem 2) surgery is most of the time not necessary for minor musculo skeletal problems - and they don't even try prolotherapy)

caringmedical.com to read why prolotherapy is a permanant CURE, and why things like like motrin, cortisone, and surgery is actually deleterious.

getprolo.com to find a prolotherapist in your area.
caution.slip
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States775 Posts
June 22 2008 17:02 GMT
#17
try those mouse gel cushions so your wrist is elevated, if anything those cushions are damn soft
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ahrara_
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Afghanistan1715 Posts
June 22 2008 18:28 GMT
#18
The mouse gel cushions will only hinder your game and make the problem worse. I've dealt with similar problems before... here's what i'd recommend.

1. adjust your posture so that when you sit up straight your hands are level with the keyboard and mouse.

2. lower your sensitivity so you move the mouse more with your arms than your wrist. this also has the benefit of being much more accurate. this is a habitual thing... you have to train yourself, but it will help a lot.

3. before each game, stretch yoru fingers and wrists. for me this made the most difference. after i started stretching, the pain i had in my fingers and tendonitis simply stopped.

4. take a break dude.
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ahrara_
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Afghanistan1715 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-22 18:31:26
June 22 2008 18:31 GMT
#19
it is not carpal tunnel unless you're feeling noticeable numbness in your fingers. it is probably tendonitis. to be sure though, get yourself checked out. a lot of what i just posted i learned from my doctor. oh, also feel out the length of your arm for soreness.
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NotSupporting
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden1998 Posts
June 22 2008 21:18 GMT
#20
On June 23 2008 03:28 ahrara_ wrote:
2. lower your sensitivity so you move the mouse more with your arms than your wrist. this also has the benefit of being much more accurate. this is a habitual thing... you have to train yourself, but it will help a lot.


Is this actually a good thing to do? I find that having a higher sensitivity is better because you don't have to move your wrist that much.
liger13
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States1060 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-23 07:25:13
June 23 2008 07:05 GMT
#21
On June 23 2008 03:31 ahrara_ wrote:
it is not carpal tunnel unless you're feeling noticeable numbness in your fingers..


wait... so for my left arm/hand to randomly go numb in long games is a bad thing?

also stumbled upon this: http://www.expertvillage.com/video/8897_gymnastics-warmups-wrist-stretch.htm
dono if it would help or not but sounds good
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