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kdog3683
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States916 Posts
May 10 2008 05:26 GMT
#1
Hi, I'm also Chinese, but I can only read very basic stuff.

I always hear my mom talk about Math in China = Crazy Gosu compared to U.S.

I just took Math IB HL exam and I felt it was a beast of a test.

I decided to DL a chinese entrance math test for College.
Thing is, I can't understand any of it...

If anybody here Chinese can help, can I send you the file and you translate it for me into English? Thx

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Titusmaster6
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States5937 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-10 05:34:52
May 10 2008 05:33 GMT
#2
大藏我爱你!

edit: sorry wrong thread.
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Wizard
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Poland5055 Posts
May 10 2008 05:35 GMT
#3
comparing chinese math level to us level [even ib] is like korea vs the world at sc

but I can't help with translating
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useLess
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States4781 Posts
May 10 2008 05:38 GMT
#4
ya, i remember there was a picture comparison of math entrance exams for US and for China. US had some basic shit like finding the length given a right triangle, while China had something much more complex.
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Ecael
Profile Joined February 2008
United States6703 Posts
May 10 2008 05:39 GMT
#5
I can take a look I guess, its been a while since I had to deal with Chinese mathmatical terms though, so don't expect too much.
kdog3683
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States916 Posts
May 10 2008 05:39 GMT
#6
ib is international though so Kids in china + japan + india etc also take it. They probably ruin the grade curve for the rest of us though -_-;

titus - Whats "藏" supposed to be
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tttt
Profile Joined February 2008
United States386 Posts
May 10 2008 05:54 GMT
#7
Well it's obvious that the Chinese are inherently better than the Caucasian masses who only continue their existence to denigrate the Olympics.
Ecael
Profile Joined February 2008
United States6703 Posts
May 10 2008 05:56 GMT
#8
Makes little sense, either a nickname or supposed to be talking about Tibet, 藏 that is. If you emailed it to me, wait a bit, our server has always been on the slow side.
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
May 10 2008 06:00 GMT
#9
lol i took IB MATHS SL LOLOLOL
and got a 4 cuz i totally didnt give a shit
good luck.

my chinese sucks balls too.
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anch
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States5457 Posts
May 10 2008 06:00 GMT
#10
can you at least post what it look like??

"藏" is a character used in names
Japanese samurai uses it also. namely http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miyamoto_Musashi
Titusmaster6
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States5937 Posts
May 10 2008 06:00 GMT
#11
On May 10 2008 14:39 kdog3683 wrote:
ib is international though so Kids in china + japan + india etc also take it. They probably ruin the grade curve for the rest of us though -_-;

titus - Whats "藏" supposed to be


It's just phonetic (is that what you call it?) for Daezang. "Da-Zahn"
Shorts down shorts up, BOOM, just like that.
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
May 10 2008 06:12 GMT
#12
my friend lived in China for 15 years and he said that math is a lot different there.

he said that in the US, he was able to take much more difficult math than he would have been able to do in China (for example they don't have high level calc available for non university students in China, but here you can take it)... but he said that they go into exponentially more detail with basic stuff like geometry, algebra, etc .. so they know it like the back of their hand. I guess its their insanely strong foundation with math that makes them so much better when they come here and start taking more difficult math.

IMO a lot of things that trips people up with math is just the basic stuff, like algebra, which Chinese people apparently know very well.
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alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
May 10 2008 06:36 GMT
#13
藏 zang
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Ecael
Profile Joined February 2008
United States6703 Posts
May 10 2008 06:39 GMT
#14
Let's not get into pinying here please, that stuff makes my brains turn to jelly

What Xeris said is pretty true though, also on a lower level Chinese (or in my case, Taiwanese) education covers stuff relatively faster early on, and with greater depth for HS. Haven't really heard of people really taking calculus in HS though, but they do drill the precalc principles down hard, which comes in handy with some of the higher level math...sort of.
Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20666 Posts
May 10 2008 06:43 GMT
#15
my cousin took calculus junior year in a taiwanese high school.

The emphasis on basics is so insane ~~

It makes sense, though.
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Ecael
Profile Joined February 2008
United States6703 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-10 06:50:16
May 10 2008 06:46 GMT
#16
Go figure, my friend in 台大 didn't take calc till she got in, iirc. Which HS was it?

EDIT - Won't be able to translate all those tests lol, not with me having finals myself, but I can do a bit. Skimmed over a few, like I said, up to precalc. Heavy details into geometry and trig (makes sense) and proofs.

EDIT2 - Someone remember whether precalc covered optimization? Never took it
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
May 10 2008 06:50 GMT
#17
wat. i can translate mostly everything except medical and other specialties.
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Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20666 Posts
May 10 2008 06:53 GMT
#18
some private school; I don't remember the name. he's going to NTU next year :o
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Ecael
Profile Joined February 2008
United States6703 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-10 07:03:42
May 10 2008 06:56 GMT
#19
Private school eh, that's actually fairly rare if things are how I recall them. How did he get in NTU, testing in the old fashioned way?

Toss in some basic probability to what I said before. Also, should clarify, everything is below an introductionary course level for college, though fairly complex and in-depth questions.
Daveed
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States236 Posts
May 10 2008 07:33 GMT
#20
On May 10 2008 14:38 useLess wrote:
ya, i remember there was a picture comparison of math entrance exams for US and for China. US had some basic shit like finding the length given a right triangle, while China had something much more complex.



I saw that article, but the Chinese exam question was still trivial. It was just the figure that made it look intimidating (and, if I recall correctly, the absence of a translation for that).

Anyhow, math in China is pretty advanced, but you don't have to look all the way to China for nice math questions. There are plenty of math contests (in English) that have stuff posted online.
Raithed
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
China7078 Posts
May 10 2008 07:42 GMT
#21
first grade math in china was 6th grade math in US when i lived there.
haduken
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia8267 Posts
May 10 2008 07:48 GMT
#22
Ya.... but it's completely useless to try to gain any sort of advantage for western exams by preparing Asian math questions. The focus and directions are completely different.

You will never learn high calculus or probability while in high school but basic stuff like algebra are done to death and students generally memories questions patterns and go through like tons of questions.

it's beneficial in the sense that the foundation for further knowledge are build well but most of it are wasted when college comes >.<
Rillanon.au
haduken
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia8267 Posts
May 10 2008 07:49 GMT
#23
Oh yeah. junior high and grade schools in Asia are insane compare to west. While white kids learn to draw and do their arithmetics. the Asians already start doing Olympic math contests >.<

it all evens out when you reach college tho.
Rillanon.au
Danger_Duck
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Burkina Faso571 Posts
May 10 2008 08:05 GMT
#24
Lol-it does not even out when you go to college....they become math/physics majors and we become humanities majors...
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Maenander
Profile Joined November 2002
Germany4926 Posts
May 10 2008 10:38 GMT
#25
I just read some german reports about chinese middle schools. Yes, the level of the tests is high, but I also heard you learn algorithms for solving every single problem like a robot ...
The learning pace in mathematics seemed always slow to me anyway, I would have preferred some challenge in school. I got that in university ^^
aqui
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Germany1023 Posts
May 10 2008 10:58 GMT
#26
On May 10 2008 19:38 Maenander wrote:
I just read some german reports about chinese middle schools. Yes, the level of the tests is high, but I also heard you learn algorithms for solving every single problem like a robot ...

as long as they proof them, it sounds like the way to go.
Polyphasic
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States841 Posts
May 10 2008 11:08 GMT
#27
comparing china's math to US's math, is like comparing US's standard social skills with China's standard social skills.
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LegendaryDreams
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Canada1350 Posts
May 10 2008 16:38 GMT
#28
On May 10 2008 20:08 Polyphasic wrote:
comparing china's math to US's math, is like comparing US's standard social skills with China's standard social skills.

That's a completely different topic regarding cultural differences, and I'm pretty sure you would severely struggle to fit inside a community if you lived in China.
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HeadBangaa
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6512 Posts
May 10 2008 16:47 GMT
#29
According to some crap I read, they teach math differently in China from an early age; kids are taught to memorize fundamental stuff very strictly. Also, I'm sure the complacency of students and the culture of stupidy of America have a lot to do with the glazing-over of math teaching. I don't think a lot of the students are interested.
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
May 10 2008 18:08 GMT
#30
from experience, rote learning or absence thereof is not the difference between u.s. and chinese k-12 schools. in china you are not fed with algorithms, you are given huge amount of practice problems, and whatever develops is properly your own mathematical knowledge. in the u.s., the teachers actually only teach the theoretical algorithm, and expect the kiddies to understand it. compared to chinese schools, american ones give literally no homework, and most of the learning is supposed to be done in class time. the kids have a concept of going to class and then go on with the rest of the day.

this also explains why some say it all evens out in college. when the minimum to medium effort self practice no longer makes much difference, the pace of learning slows down. in uni, self study is the majority of what goes on academically. while we could say chinese students have always been studying by themselves, spending as much time to reach the desired goals as necessary, the u.s. students are just late to the party.

if you go to school in america and study like you were in a chinese school, you'll either just be bored with your level, or if fortunate, you can access better resources in fast track programs and do just as well or better.
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Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20666 Posts
May 10 2008 18:31 GMT
#31
yes, old-fashioned testing style

gogo cram schools fighting~
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