EPThttp://www.battlereports.com/viewreplays.php?replaynum=33077
Watch until 12:05, why would he... move his units when he cannot see map... do his vision please. :/
Thanks(I'm the P).
Please watch and slow down at 12:05 in this replay
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Raithed
China7078 Posts
http://www.battlereports.com/viewreplays.php?replaynum=33077 Watch until 12:05, why would he... move his units when he cannot see map... do his vision please. :/ Thanks(I'm the P). | ||
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Deleted User 30223
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i'm still watching the rep, but..... he should not have known about that expo there. at around 10:30, he sends two control groups of lings? i understand using maybe two or three lings, but two whole groups? since when do you do that just to check for an expo? just watched the part you were talking about. yeah, i'm fairly certain he was hacking. no overlords in the middle, the lurkers at the 8:30 min only expo didn't see anything, and yet he sent all of his army to defend his expo. | ||
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Raithed
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LxRogue
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Superiorwolf
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Seraphim
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ahrara_
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Reflex
Canada703 Posts
1. Morphs a sunken when your probe heads towards expo at 9 before seeing it 2. sends a whole control group of lings to bottom right 3. Moves army to defend 9 (like you said) without scouting Just challenge him to another game and do things specifically to bait him, to see if he is hacking. | ||
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Deleted User 30223
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On April 23 2008 13:48 Raithed wrote: I think it could my initial probe(I think I sent it out like 3 times? I didn't want to expand but want to scout but he kept catching me). but still. the most lings you would send in that case would be at most 4 lings. maybe his style of expo checking is odd, but i'm fairly certain that almost nobody sends two whole control groups of lings to scout out an expo. the timing of it was pretty weird as well. also, i rewatched the replay, and he should not have known that you moved out at ~9:40 as well. unless he has fucking good game sense | ||
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Deleted User 30223
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On April 23 2008 13:57 Reflex wrote: I don't know... several things seem pretty suspicious though: 1. Morphs a sunken when your probe heads towards expo at 9 before seeing it 2. sends a whole control group of lings to bottom right 3. Moves army to defend 9 (like you said) without scouting Just challenge him to another game and do things specifically to bait him, to see if he is hacking. challenge him to zvz and 4pool him? | ||
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knyttym
United States5797 Posts
On April 23 2008 13:55 Superiorwolf wrote: Hacker. Try using the suspicious actions thing patented by flag? XD just tried it. No suspicious actions by either player at all.. | ||
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ShaLLoW[baY]
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Raithed
China7078 Posts
On April 23 2008 13:57 Reflex wrote: I don't know... several things seem pretty suspicious though: 1. Morphs a sunken when your probe heads towards expo at 9 before seeing it 2. sends a whole control group of lings to bottom right 3. Moves army to defend 9 (like you said) without scouting Just challenge him to another game and do things specifically to bait him, to see if he is hacking. I've played him enough to know he's a hacker now, going to stop playing with him. | ||
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Dromar
United States2145 Posts
On April 23 2008 13:47 goldenkrnboi wrote: .... um.... ok..... i'm still watching the rep, but..... he should not have known about that expo there. at around 10:30, he sends two control groups of lings? i understand using maybe two or three lings, but two whole groups? since when do you do that just to check for an expo? just watched the part you were talking about. yeah, i'm fairly certain he was hacking. no overlords in the middle, the lurkers at the 8:30 min only expo didn't see anything, and yet he sent all of his army to defend his expo. I send whole groups to check for expos (if I have them to spare). I try to anticipate when the P is going to expo, to catch it BEFORE cannons are up. Anyway, the reason to send whole groups is because you'll be able to shut the expo down before P has a chance to react/protect it. Plus speedlings are fast, so if you need them suddenly elsewhere, it won't take too long for them to get there. | ||
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Raithed
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I'm 4-1 ZvZ vs him, he thinks I stop making lings but I always ling him to death except one game where I just went into an expo game. | ||
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ShaLLoW[baY]
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Dromar
United States2145 Posts
I was thinking hidden cheese tech. | ||
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Raithed
China7078 Posts
On April 23 2008 14:31 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: If he has maphack why would he think you've stopped making lings? Can't he see them popping out? Hell, even I can see them popping out using my special maphax (well placed Overlords) He keeps doing the same thing over and over and over. 11pool, 12 hatch, and I kept doing the same thing. Stubborn? | ||
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NathanSC
United States620 Posts
On April 23 2008 14:42 Raithed wrote: He keeps doing the same thing over and over and over. 11pool, 12 hatch, and I kept doing the same thing. Stubborn? Yeah, and it's not like a ling egg looks different from a drone egg. | ||
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Deleted User 30223
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On April 23 2008 14:29 Dromar wrote: I send whole groups to check for expos (if I have them to spare). I try to anticipate when the P is going to expo, to catch it BEFORE cannons are up. Anyway, the reason to send whole groups is because you'll be able to shut the expo down before P has a chance to react/protect it. Plus speedlings are fast, so if you need them suddenly elsewhere, it won't take too long for them to get there. eh. so people do send whole groups. my bad. though you have to admit that the timing was pretty fucking accurate without scouting. | ||
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NotJumperer
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Raithed
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On April 23 2008 15:29 Jumperer wrote: i do that sometimes, it happen once every 500000000 games. Watch replay, I don't care about the attacking expo timing, I care about when I go to his 9 expo, he sends his army to flank mine. | ||
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BluzMan
Russian Federation4235 Posts
Anticipation is one of the most important skills in SC. There were 4 close calls in this game: 1) Making a sunken in anticipation of your probe. Not reacting to it with lings doesn't mean not seeing it. 2) Your first raid on his expo. He saw a probe that tried to scout. Whenever I see someone discover my expansion that I consider to be in a vulnerable position (like that one), I anticipate an attack. Sending forces there to intercept is common sense. This is especially evident as you directed your attack force elsewhere and he lost his pool. 3) His ling raid on your expo. It might seem suspicious, but by that time, any toss would expand to that spot. He sent many lings to shut the expo down, thus he expected it to be already up and running. It's somewhat hard to explain, but I understand his reasoning perfectly in this situation, I would've done the same. You don't need to see toss expoing there to be 90% sure he has. 4) His last intercept. Once again, he figured his weak spot and tried to reinforce it. As suspicious as it might be, people do it all the time - try to guess where the enemy will strike at and arrive with your forces before he is there. If he maphacked, he wouldn't send his pathetic ling/lurker force right into your gigantic army (even a complete noob would figure the estimated results of that fight), but even moreso, he sent them on move. Those lurkers never burrowed, they were clearly sent on move to reach his expo and be burrowed there. He just ran his army into yours and died, would you expect that from a guy who maphacks? The only possible suspicious thing is the disparity between his MU knowledge (that is abysmal, no spire, no evos, 2k gas in the bank) and his map control skills (which are decent, albeit not perfect), but such people are existent, just quite rare. Especially if you say he's offracing. Anything other concerning that particular replay is a normal thing every good player does. The only way you could possibly accuse someone of maphack is repeated clearly illogical behavior that is repeatedly benefical. This guy diplayed behavior that was pretty logical and not that benefical at the same time. | ||
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lod-mika
United Kingdom84 Posts
On April 23 2008 14:28 Raithed wrote: I've played him enough to know he's a hacker now, going to stop playing with him. 1. luck/prediction 2. the protoss sent entire army to attack his main = he's going to need to fe somewhere because he didn't finish him off, the z can just rebuild. 3. doesn't really matter, if you're gonna fe at 12 then make a base at 9 it's incredibly risky because the protoss can choose to kill either, none of that was maphack at all. he merely chose to run out when he felt he wanted to | ||
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gg_hertzz
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but the most suspicious action is when he sent his army to 9 to defend | ||
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Art.MEHIHO
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