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Raithed
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
China7078 Posts
April 23 2008 04:35 GMT
#1
Okay, I keep playing this same guy on Hamachi and he really knows his timing, especially TvP... This replay, however, is PvZ. I'm not going to assume anything except coincidence but this little move just... ugh, makes me don't want to play him anymore.

http://www.battlereports.com/viewreplays.php?replaynum=33077

Watch until 12:05, why would he... move his units when he cannot see map... do his vision please. :/

Thanks(I'm the P).

Deleted User 30223
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
3104 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-23 04:53:26
April 23 2008 04:47 GMT
#2
.... um.... ok.....



i'm still watching the rep, but..... he should not have known about that expo there. at around 10:30, he sends two control groups of lings? i understand using maybe two or three lings, but two whole groups? since when do you do that just to check for an expo?



just watched the part you were talking about. yeah, i'm fairly certain he was hacking. no overlords in the middle, the lurkers at the 8:30 min only expo didn't see anything, and yet he sent all of his army to defend his expo.
Raithed
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
China7078 Posts
April 23 2008 04:48 GMT
#3
I think it could my initial probe(I think I sent it out like 3 times? I didn't want to expand but want to scout but he kept catching me).
LxRogue
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States1415 Posts
April 23 2008 04:54 GMT
#4
Looks like maphack to me. He isn't very good, doesn't scout, but knows when to attack your expo, and when to defend.
Superiorwolf
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States5509 Posts
April 23 2008 04:55 GMT
#5
Hacker. Try using the suspicious actions thing patented by flag? XD
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Seraphim
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States4467 Posts
April 23 2008 04:57 GMT
#6
I've played this guy before and have thought it was just dumb luck that he spots my expos...and at perfect times too...

hmm...
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ahrara_
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Afghanistan1715 Posts
April 23 2008 04:57 GMT
#7
I have pretty good reason to believe, with 98% confidence, that Chang hacks.
in Afghanistan we have 20% literacy rate
Reflex
Profile Joined March 2007
Canada703 Posts
April 23 2008 04:57 GMT
#8
I don't know... several things seem pretty suspicious though:

1. Morphs a sunken when your probe heads towards expo at 9 before seeing it

2. sends a whole control group of lings to bottom right

3. Moves army to defend 9 (like you said) without scouting

Just challenge him to another game and do things specifically to bait him, to see if he is hacking.
Deleted User 30223
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
3104 Posts
April 23 2008 04:59 GMT
#9
On April 23 2008 13:48 Raithed wrote:
I think it could my initial probe(I think I sent it out like 3 times? I didn't want to expand but want to scout but he kept catching me).



but still. the most lings you would send in that case would be at most 4 lings. maybe his style of expo checking is odd, but i'm fairly certain that almost nobody sends two whole control groups of lings to scout out an expo. the timing of it was pretty weird as well.


also, i rewatched the replay, and he should not have known that you moved out at ~9:40 as well. unless he has fucking good game sense
Deleted User 30223
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
3104 Posts
April 23 2008 05:00 GMT
#10
On April 23 2008 13:57 Reflex wrote:
I don't know... several things seem pretty suspicious though:

1. Morphs a sunken when your probe heads towards expo at 9 before seeing it

2. sends a whole control group of lings to bottom right

3. Moves army to defend 9 (like you said) without scouting

Just challenge him to another game and do things specifically to bait him, to see if he is hacking.


challenge him to zvz and 4pool him?
knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
April 23 2008 05:05 GMT
#11
On April 23 2008 13:55 Superiorwolf wrote:
Hacker. Try using the suspicious actions thing patented by flag? XD


just tried it. No suspicious actions by either player at all..
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
April 23 2008 05:05 GMT
#12
He's just registered on the Clan Art forae, so if he is hacking we'll be sure to do something about it.
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
Raithed
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
China7078 Posts
April 23 2008 05:28 GMT
#13
On April 23 2008 13:57 Reflex wrote:
I don't know... several things seem pretty suspicious though:

1. Morphs a sunken when your probe heads towards expo at 9 before seeing it

2. sends a whole control group of lings to bottom right

3. Moves army to defend 9 (like you said) without scouting

Just challenge him to another game and do things specifically to bait him, to see if he is hacking.

I've played him enough to know he's a hacker now, going to stop playing with him.
Dromar
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States2145 Posts
April 23 2008 05:29 GMT
#14
On April 23 2008 13:47 goldenkrnboi wrote:
.... um.... ok.....



i'm still watching the rep, but..... he should not have known about that expo there. at around 10:30, he sends two control groups of lings? i understand using maybe two or three lings, but two whole groups? since when do you do that just to check for an expo?



just watched the part you were talking about. yeah, i'm fairly certain he was hacking. no overlords in the middle, the lurkers at the 8:30 min only expo didn't see anything, and yet he sent all of his army to defend his expo.



I send whole groups to check for expos (if I have them to spare). I try to anticipate when the P is going to expo, to catch it BEFORE cannons are up. Anyway, the reason to send whole groups is because you'll be able to shut the expo down before P has a chance to react/protect it. Plus speedlings are fast, so if you need them suddenly elsewhere, it won't take too long for them to get there.
Raithed
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
China7078 Posts
April 23 2008 05:29 GMT
#15
On April 23 2008 14:00 goldenkrnboi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2008 13:57 Reflex wrote:
I don't know... several things seem pretty suspicious though:

1. Morphs a sunken when your probe heads towards expo at 9 before seeing it

2. sends a whole control group of lings to bottom right

3. Moves army to defend 9 (like you said) without scouting

Just challenge him to another game and do things specifically to bait him, to see if he is hacking.


challenge him to zvz and 4pool him?

I'm 4-1 ZvZ vs him, he thinks I stop making lings but I always ling him to death except one game where I just went into an expo game.
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
April 23 2008 05:31 GMT
#16
If he has maphack why would he think you've stopped making lings? Can't he see them popping out? Hell, even I can see them popping out using my special maphax (well placed Overlords)
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
Dromar
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States2145 Posts
April 23 2008 05:32 GMT
#17
On April 23 2008 14:00 goldenkrnboi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2008 13:57 Reflex wrote:
I don't know... several things seem pretty suspicious though:

1. Morphs a sunken when your probe heads towards expo at 9 before seeing it

2. sends a whole control group of lings to bottom right

3. Moves army to defend 9 (like you said) without scouting

Just challenge him to another game and do things specifically to bait him, to see if he is hacking.


challenge him to zvz and 4pool him?


I was thinking hidden cheese tech.
Raithed
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
China7078 Posts
April 23 2008 05:42 GMT
#18
On April 23 2008 14:31 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
If he has maphack why would he think you've stopped making lings? Can't he see them popping out? Hell, even I can see them popping out using my special maphax (well placed Overlords)

He keeps doing the same thing over and over and over. 11pool, 12 hatch, and I kept doing the same thing. Stubborn?
NathanSC
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States620 Posts
April 23 2008 05:49 GMT
#19
On April 23 2008 14:42 Raithed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2008 14:31 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
If he has maphack why would he think you've stopped making lings? Can't he see them popping out? Hell, even I can see them popping out using my special maphax (well placed Overlords)

He keeps doing the same thing over and over and over. 11pool, 12 hatch, and I kept doing the same thing. Stubborn?

Yeah, and it's not like a ling egg looks different from a drone egg.
Deleted User 30223
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
3104 Posts
April 23 2008 06:05 GMT
#20
On April 23 2008 14:29 Dromar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2008 13:47 goldenkrnboi wrote:
.... um.... ok.....



i'm still watching the rep, but..... he should not have known about that expo there. at around 10:30, he sends two control groups of lings? i understand using maybe two or three lings, but two whole groups? since when do you do that just to check for an expo?



just watched the part you were talking about. yeah, i'm fairly certain he was hacking. no overlords in the middle, the lurkers at the 8:30 min only expo didn't see anything, and yet he sent all of his army to defend his expo.



I send whole groups to check for expos (if I have them to spare). I try to anticipate when the P is going to expo, to catch it BEFORE cannons are up. Anyway, the reason to send whole groups is because you'll be able to shut the expo down before P has a chance to react/protect it. Plus speedlings are fast, so if you need them suddenly elsewhere, it won't take too long for them to get there.


eh. so people do send whole groups. my bad.

though you have to admit that the timing was pretty fucking accurate without scouting.
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