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NotJumperer
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States1371 Posts
April 23 2008 06:29 GMT
#21
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tiffany
Profile Joined November 2003
3664 Posts
April 23 2008 06:37 GMT
#22
we have already established that he is black sheep fucking walling. there is no "timing" involved except for the time it takes the zerglings to travel.
Raithed
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
China7078 Posts
April 23 2008 06:49 GMT
#23
On April 23 2008 15:29 Jumperer wrote:
i do that sometimes, it happen once every 500000000 games.

Watch replay, I don't care about the attacking expo timing, I care about when I go to his 9 expo, he sends his army to flank mine.
Purind
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Canada3562 Posts
April 23 2008 06:56 GMT
#24
The attacking expo thing isn't suspicious, as he must have known (even if he didn't maphack) that that was the most natural spot to expo. However, I do think the attempted defense at 9 was suspicious. I have no clue why a zerg would all of a sudden move his army like that without scouting. Looking at his level, it couldn't have possibly been game sense.
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geno
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1404 Posts
April 23 2008 07:20 GMT
#25
Using BWChart, neither of you have suspicious actions. This is probably more because of a lower level of play than hacks though, I would imagine. I'll often not have any suspicious actions as well (though I'm getting a bit better about clicking the other person's units once in awhile).
Daranee
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
338 Posts
April 23 2008 07:54 GMT
#26
Midgame, if the zerg user has a lot of low tier units, its not uncommon to send a control group or two of ligns to an expo spot, but still weird actions by zerg.
EmeraldSparks
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States1451 Posts
April 23 2008 08:16 GMT
#27
Do a build that has a ridiculous secret hatch in the most unlikely location (not even an expo) sometime. See if he finds it.
But why?
BluzMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Russian Federation4235 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-23 09:34:51
April 23 2008 09:27 GMT
#28
There's nothing suspicious about this replay.

Anticipation is one of the most important skills in SC. There were 4 close calls in this game:

1) Making a sunken in anticipation of your probe. Not reacting to it with lings doesn't mean not seeing it.
2) Your first raid on his expo. He saw a probe that tried to scout. Whenever I see someone discover my expansion that I consider to be in a vulnerable position (like that one), I anticipate an attack. Sending forces there to intercept is common sense. This is especially evident as you directed your attack force elsewhere and he lost his pool.
3) His ling raid on your expo. It might seem suspicious, but by that time, any toss would expand to that spot. He sent many lings to shut the expo down, thus he expected it to be already up and running. It's somewhat hard to explain, but I understand his reasoning perfectly in this situation, I would've done the same. You don't need to see toss expoing there to be 90% sure he has.
4) His last intercept. Once again, he figured his weak spot and tried to reinforce it. As suspicious as it might be, people do it all the time - try to guess where the enemy will strike at and arrive with your forces before he is there. If he maphacked, he wouldn't send his pathetic ling/lurker force right into your gigantic army (even a complete noob would figure the estimated results of that fight), but even moreso, he sent them on move. Those lurkers never burrowed, they were clearly sent on move to reach his expo and be burrowed there. He just ran his army into yours and died, would you expect that from a guy who maphacks?

The only possible suspicious thing is the disparity between his MU knowledge (that is abysmal, no spire, no evos, 2k gas in the bank) and his map control skills (which are decent, albeit not perfect), but such people are existent, just quite rare. Especially if you say he's offracing. Anything other concerning that particular replay is a normal thing every good player does.

The only way you could possibly accuse someone of maphack is repeated clearly illogical behavior that is repeatedly benefical. This guy diplayed behavior that was pretty logical and not that benefical at the same time.
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lod-mika
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United Kingdom84 Posts
April 23 2008 14:50 GMT
#29
On April 23 2008 14:28 Raithed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2008 13:57 Reflex wrote:
I don't know... several things seem pretty suspicious though:

1. Morphs a sunken when your probe heads towards expo at 9 before seeing it

2. sends a whole control group of lings to bottom right

3. Moves army to defend 9 (like you said) without scouting

Just challenge him to another game and do things specifically to bait him, to see if he is hacking.

I've played him enough to know he's a hacker now, going to stop playing with him.


1. luck/prediction
2. the protoss sent entire army to attack his main = he's going to need to fe somewhere because he didn't finish him off, the z can just rebuild.
3. doesn't really matter, if you're gonna fe at 12 then make a base at 9 it's incredibly risky because the protoss can choose to kill either, none of that was maphack at all. he merely chose to run out when he felt he wanted to
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gg_hertzz
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
2152 Posts
April 23 2008 19:50 GMT
#30
honestly it looked like both of you hacked.

but the most suspicious action is when he sent his army to 9 to defend
Art.MEHIHO
Profile Joined April 2008
United States1 Post
April 28 2008 02:51 GMT
#31
Personally, I know that he has hacked in the past. However, whether he still hacks is questionable. I think he still does, but the problem is that he sometimes hacks and sometimes doesn't. I do not know the reason he decides to go on and off about it. His maphack is pretty updated, so i suggest u get the newest version of antimaphack to prevent him from hacking.
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