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This blog isn't for people that like/support Hillary Clinton. It isn't for people that like her less than another politician. This is for people that hate Hillary Clinton. Leave a comment and tell me why. Your reasons don't have to be 100% researched, or even coherent. Just, in your own words, why do you hate her? If you need to pull quotes and cite voting records to express your hatred for her, do so. If you hate parts of her platform, link to it. If your hatred is based more on gut-feeling, say it. If you dislike her for a shallow reason (she's old, a woman, Bill's wife, white, rich, etcetc), mention it. If you hate her because all your friends hate her, or because people in the media say she's divisive, or other external factors, let me know.
I was talking about the primaries with some friends today and I realized something-- they all hate Hillary. Not everyone hates Hillary, of course, but all my friends do. Even the ones that're on the fence about how they feel about her, over the course of our conversation, started saying meaner and meaner things about her. Very interesting to me. I wanted to pool the variety of things people dislike about her from a broader source, so I've come here to ask TL.netters about it.
Note: I'm not baiting. My support's going to Obama-- I just don't understand this vitriolic hatred of Hillary and if Hillary takes the nomination from Obama, I'm gonna be leaning towards voting for her, so I wanna know where this hatred is coming from. Thanks.
 
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Gut feeling. She just don't seem that sincere to me. I suppose that could be said about every politician though, but with her it seems more apparent.
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because she didnt' give bill any, and bill had to look for another pussy, and we all know what happened
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she's a woman. I hate women.
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On February 07 2008 07:58 nemY wrote:
Gut feeling. She just don't seem that sincere to me. I suppose that could be said about every politician though, but with her it seems more apparent.
This and the fact that our presidency would be bush-clinton-bush-clinton. nothx.
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she's gotten so much money (just like Bill did) from shady characters to fund her campaign, and she's been called out on it dozens of times. i get the impression from her that she'll say whatever is necessary to sway someone's opinion in her favor. look at how her views on Iraq have changed over the years, haaaaar.
plus she looks more and more evil each time i see her.
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While the actual policy differences between Hillary and Obama are insignificantly small and I'll happily vote for either in November, there are a number of less tangible factors that make Obama a far superior candidate in my opinion.
- Hillary comes across as whiny a lot.
- Obama is refusing lobbyist money; Hillary is taking it and has publicly and unapologetically said she will continue to do so and sees nothing wrong with it.
- Hillary is a very divisive figure in politics. People tend to either love or hate her. After 8 years of Bush, this country needs someone who will try to heal the rift between the right and the left, rather than perpetuate it.
- Somewhat related to the previous point, Hillary comes across as a sniveling politician. Obama comes across as an inspirational leader.
- Listening to Obama talk is exciting. Listening to Hillary talk makes me think about reaching for the mute button on my remote.
- Despite having similar positions on the Iraq war, Obama opposed it earlier than Hillary, and I get the sense he is more of a dove than she is overall.
So I guess you could call it more of a gut feeling in my case.
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On February 07 2008 08:10 Shauni wrote:
she's a woman. I hate women.
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When i think of Hillary, I think of Margret Thatcher
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All of my friends hate Hillary too! And I have often asked them why, and hey too don't have very good reasons. The comparison with Margaret Thatcher may be ... inaccurate, but it would lead me to not like her anyway.
The obvious reason is Obama is black and it cooler to have a black than woman president.
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Lol at vGI-CoW.
I hate her because she might win the nomination instead of Obama. In which case my gut feeling tells me that she will lose in the general election.
But really it's not that I hate her as much as I really love Obama. This needs to happen.
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Because SHE plays the women card and Obama does not play the black card
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On February 07 2008 11:17 DamageControL wrote:
Because SHE plays the women card and Obama does not play the black card
Is this true?
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Hillary will say/do anything to get the poll numbers she wants. Period.
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i dont. she's manipulative and toughminded, these are pluses. the question is the old one, what's on her mind. judging from what she has said, she is not beyond at least giving lip service to great ideals of social reform etc, and my desire to see a crafty political operative of the left has made that image of hers believable. havent and will not do any research on this sort of stuff, useless.
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Hilary went to Bilderburg Conference :\
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As Hawk pointed out, if Clinton became president, we would have 2 families in the executive branch for at least 24 YEARS STRAIGHT. Definitely NOT what our founding fathers wanted.
I hate her BECAUSE she is manipulative. She's such a fucking politician. If you ever listen to her in any debates, she never actually ANSWERS any fucking questions that people give her. She always dodges them and tries to make up some no-answer bullshit. I fucking hate that. Once a debate moderator on the radio actually called her on it when she didn't answer what the one issue was she thought would be toughest (she made up some shit about "ooh there's so many issues but I'm giong to solve them all!) and came back to her saying "well everyone else has actually given definitive answer, so in fairness why don't you settle on one."
The New Hampshire debate... Obama and Edwards come off as very passionate people... Edwards rants about how his quest to right the wrongs of the country is personal. Clinton doesn't do that, instead extolling her experience (which she doesn't ACTUALLY have a lot of - she's only been in the Senate for like 8 years). Then, her piece of shit pollsters must have told her that people liked the others looking personal, because THE VERY NEXT DAY she's out there on a public campaign thing crying like a bitch. Is she crying because she had to? No, she's crying because her manipulators told her to look more human to voters. And the fucking idiots bought it.
I hate the people buying her bullshit almost as much as I hate her for bullshitting...
She also seems like she's trying to be extra tough because she wants to show she's man enough for the job or something, so she's promising to be all tough on the war and shit.. she's one of the ones who has sold out and backed up Bush to look good. Of course not lately, because people are against the war lately, so now she's trying to look more against the war. The bitch is a reed and just goes wherever the wind is, she doesn't have any damn opinions of her own.
Goddamnit.
Wow, that was actually therapeutic to get out. Thanks 
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She will do and say anything if it gets her votes. That and I don't care to have a Bush/Clinton/Bush/Clinton pattern. Tons more but I am too lazy to type tonight.
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because she manipulates the public and she actually gets away with it
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On February 07 2008 12:51 f10esqftw wrote:
I hate her BECAUSE she is manipulative. She's such a fucking politician. If you ever listen to her in any debates, she never actually ANSWERS any fucking questions that people give her. She always dodges them and tries to make up some no-answer bullshit. I fucking hate that. Once a debate moderator on the radio actually called her on it when she didn't answer what the one issue was she thought would be toughest (she made up some shit about "ooh there's so many issues but I'm giong to solve them all!) and came back to her saying "well everyone else has actually given definitive answer, so in fairness why don't you settle on one."
Too be fair though, I have found that all politicians do this. Some do it to a less of a degree but everyone does this shit.
The New Hampshire debate... Obama and Edwards come off as very passionate people... Edwards rants about how his quest to right the wrongs of the country is personal. Clinton doesn't do that, instead extolling her experience (which she doesn't ACTUALLY have a lot of - she's only been in the Senate for like 8 years). Then, her piece of shit pollsters must have told her that people liked the others looking personal, because THE VERY NEXT DAY she's out there on a public campaign thing crying like a bitch. Is she crying because she had to? No, she's crying because her manipulators told her to look more human to voters. And the fucking idiots bought it.
Lol I thought the same thing. People actually vote for candidates that cry, what bullshit.
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Reminds me of those stupid girls who got away with everything in elementary school by crying..
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i hate her because if she wasn't married to bill clinton there is no way in hell she'd ever be a serious contender for the presidency
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Like others have said before me, she comes off as just another lying politician that will say and do anything to get into power. The fact that she continues to take money from lobbyists without a second thought while Obama doesn't leads me to believe she won't be doing what is right and best for the country. Rather she'll be a means to forward the agendas of her sponsors.
That and I remember her siding with Lieberman on all the anti-videogame bullshit when he was pushing the "violent games make violent kids" thing. She seemed to me like the kind of person that if there was another school shooting she wouldn't blame the kid or the parents, she would rush immediately to blame the media, games, radio, whatever else. She seems to want to place the burden of parenting and the responsibility that goes with it on the government instead of the parents.
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On February 07 2008 17:15 Phyre wrote:
That and I remember her siding with Lieberman on all the anti-videogame bullshit when he was pushing the "violent games make violent kids" thing. She seemed to me like the kind of person that if there was another school shooting she wouldn't blame the kid or the parents, she would rush immediately to blame the media, games, radio, whatever else. She seems to want to place the burden of parenting and the responsibility that goes with it on the government instead of the parents.
This is among the best reasons to hate her I've heard so far. The fact that she's divisive is relevant, because even if the reasons she is divisive are bullshit, she's still a divisive figure, so I appreciate those comments as well. But stuff like this really hits the meat of who Hillary is. She always sides with mother's groups. Always. The reason she sided with Lieberman's anti-videogame thing was that mother's advocacy groups were blaming videogames and other creative/popular media.
Besides being a democrat and all that implies, she's very much a child and mother candidate. Although its not part of her platform (and if her advisors have any sense they'll talk her out of it if she wins the nomination), she was remarking in september that she'd like to create $5,000 government-sponsored trusts for every baby born in the US. They'd be able to dip into these trusts once they hit the age of 18 to spend on what they want. The examples she gave were college education or downpayments on a first house, but you just know a significant minority, if not a majority, would just blow the cash come their 18th B-day.
I THINK I understand where she's coming from. It's a nice thought... interest TENDS to outpace inflation-- so it's slightly cheaper in the long run than just providing grants-- and if the trusts are put into private banks, stocks, or to a lesser extent, contracted government R&D, the funds "set aside" for such a program would spur on the economy in the same way a subsidy to corporations might. And besides that, Britain has instituted a similar policy for children born after 2002, so it's not an entirely ludicrous idea even considering the enormaty of a $20 billion annual price tag. But I think if she really considered the issue, she might be persuaded to expand government supplied grants to activities like opening a small business, attending college or making a downpayment on a 1st home, rather than dumping money into something irresponsible teenagers would waste come adulthood.
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I think it may have alot to do with her being a woman.
People still look down on women, even women do look down on themselves. It's a self-replicating ongoing process and won't stop unless we change it.
Anyways, I like Hillary Clinton and I have a good feeling about this election
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To me, i don't mind if a woman runs for president i mean seriously the fact that she's a woman doesnt play a role. It's the fact that you can EASILY tell that she doesn't care for anyone but herself. Just from her interviews, etc... all she wants is for HER to become president because SHE will be the first woman president. It's a bunch of crap man.... I pray she doesn't win.
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copied from my post in general:
I was reading the paper today and they ahd a story about young voters. One girl said something to the extent of 'I voted for hillary because I think we need a woman in the White House. It's a big step forward for feminists'
Allow me to take the time say:
Fuck you if your vote was based on sex
Fuck you if your vote was based on skin color
Fuck you if your vote was based on religious beliefs
My fucking GOD. I didn't realize that all of these things were more important than the character of the candidate and their fucking platforms
/end rant
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Most people that hate hillary are people that have no understanding of politics. They hate her because everyone else does, there's no rational reason behind it. She was a good NY senator, she's pushed through tons of healthcare legislation, her husband was a great president, and any negative thing you say about her you can say about any politician. (that she flip flops on issues and doesn't seem trustworthy all the time, what fucking politician CAN'T you say that about?) As you can see, no one has offered one legitimite or rational reason for hating her for what she's done politcially. They just hate her as a person because they are irrational and they are jealous Bill Clinton was a great president and George Bush was a fucking disaster. And the guy who said she "staged" crying just proves my point.
It's hilarious, the day she cried all her haters laughed at her and said "HAHAH WHAT A WUSS THIS IS GOING TO COST HER THE ELECTION YAY, SHE IS SO WEAK!!!"
Then when it turned out to be a good thing that got her votes, the same exact people went "WHAT THE FUCK SHE STAGED IT TO GET VOTES, WHAT A BITCH!!!"
it's obvious no matter what she does she can't win with these haters because they are irrational. I love watching all the rednecks on the blue collar comedy tour... they are so unfunny they need to yell out "FUCK HILLARY CLINTON" to get all the stupid rednecks riled up.
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You do realize that a lot of DEMOCRATS hate her as well, correct?
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On February 08 2008 01:40 Hawk wrote:
You do realize that a lot of DEMOCRATS hate her as well, correct?
Yea I do. What's your point?
And I don't think A LOT of democrats hate her... A LOT of republicans hate her and some democrats do (and there's a lot of people out there who call themselves democrats but aren't really progressive liberals)
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The truth of the matter is that there is nothing to hate about this woman.
If someone hates her, it is a problem with them, not her. She really is not that polarizing a figure compared to other politicians, and she is a far better choice than any of the candidates the republicans are pushing.
Perhaps they actually have given precious minutes of their life to Fox News, or perhaps they simply do not respect women as much. But considering the crap Republicans vote for, talking about anything "genuine". Especially considering that there is no such thing as a genuine republican other than Ron Paul, and everyone has made him out to be insane, and while I wouldn't vote for him or any other republican, he is certainly the most genuine comparatively.
But as you stated, there are people who hate her. The hatred seems completely unvalidated. That's why the posts in this blog have done nothing but give you reasons with no sources or good explanation, like you asked.
I don't know where it comes from, I have never heard a very good reason for hate. Disagreement, sure. But this unfounded hate is ludicrous.
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On February 08 2008 00:53 Hawk wrote:
copied from my post in general:
I was reading the paper today and they ahd a story about young voters. One girl said something to the extent of 'I voted for hillary because I think we need a woman in the White House. It's a big step forward for feminists'
Allow me to take the time say:
Fuck you if your vote was based on sex
Fuck you if your vote was based on skin color
Fuck you if your vote was based on religious beliefs
My fucking GOD. I didn't realize that all of these things were more important than the character of the candidate and their fucking platforms
/end rant
I think the platform of a presidential candidate doesn't matter all that much, because presidents don't do all that much. Just charisma and political philosophy, which, I guess you could call platform...
Obama talks about a unified America, which is important I think. So I believe rhetoric really does matter from a president, because as far as policy goes, I think declaring war and vetoing bills are all a president really does.
I agree with everyone that Hillary only wants votes ... any candidate who repeats the "I support the middle class / working men / American jobs / mothers etc" ad infinitum just wants votes.
Find me a candidate that is ANTI middle class.
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fusionsdf yeah so what it's from www.johnedwards.com of course they choose a clip where he is portrayed in a good light
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what?
rofl.
go ahead and try to defend her answer.
Then go defend the fact that shes received the most money from lobbyist of any presidential candidate (this includes people like romney and edwards who dropped out)
compare that with obama taking $0 from lobbyists, and then tell me shes going to stop lobbyists from being powerful in Washington better than obama.
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On February 08 2008 02:25 MYM.Testie wrote:
The truth of the matter is that there is nothing to hate about this woman.
If someone hates her, it is a problem with them, not her. She really is not that polarizing a figure compared to other politicians, and she is a far better choice than any of the candidates the republicans are pushing.
Perhaps they actually have given precious minutes of their life to Fox News, or perhaps they simply do not respect women as much. But considering the crap Republicans vote for, talking about anything "genuine". Especially considering that there is no such thing as a genuine republican other than Ron Paul, and everyone has made him out to be insane, and while I wouldn't vote for him or any other republican, he is certainly the most genuine comparatively.
But as you stated, there are people who hate her. The hatred seems completely unvalidated. That's why the posts in this blog have done nothing but give you reasons with no sources or good explanation, like you asked.
I don't know where it comes from, I have never heard a very good reason for hate. Disagreement, sure. But this unfounded hate is ludicrous.
it's funny you say that clinton haters are uneducated on the matters.
if you were actually paying attention to how the clintons play ball you'd realize they are crooks. she's run a divisive, dishonest, and hat-switching campaign that only an idiot who wasn't paying attention would support.
PS. to answer the OP, i hate hillary clinton (and bill clinton) for the aforementioned reasons. they've been very dishonest, they try hard to inflame demographic divisions for their own benefit, and they are classic politicians in that they will say anything and wear any hat to get elected. hates a strong word, i would rather say i am afraid of hillary clinton because if this is the way she campaigns then i am scared of how she would run the country. the last thing the world needs is another opaque and dishonest presidency.
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The very tip of the icebergian list? Her flagged Lieberman connection is a big no-no. The last thing the US needs is more government-controlled censorship. Good lord, compared to countries such as Norway, TV in the States is already like a 24-hour Teletubbies marathon.
Yes, that is the magnificently principled and blissfully ill-researched reason I give to anyone who asks. To me, it's enough to make me not want to ever see her deceitful grin on television going "I do solemnly swear..."
Additionally, she's blocking the path of Obama. Move your ass off the road, Bambi, you're the deer in the headlights of Obama's 18 Wheeler of Greatness.
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On February 08 2008 13:58 a-game wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2008 02:25 MYM.Testie wrote:
The truth of the matter is that there is nothing to hate about this woman.
If someone hates her, it is a problem with them, not her. She really is not that polarizing a figure compared to other politicians, and she is a far better choice than any of the candidates the republicans are pushing.
Perhaps they actually have given precious minutes of their life to Fox News, or perhaps they simply do not respect women as much. But considering the crap Republicans vote for, talking about anything "genuine". Especially considering that there is no such thing as a genuine republican other than Ron Paul, and everyone has made him out to be insane, and while I wouldn't vote for him or any other republican, he is certainly the most genuine comparatively.
But as you stated, there are people who hate her. The hatred seems completely unvalidated. That's why the posts in this blog have done nothing but give you reasons with no sources or good explanation, like you asked.
I don't know where it comes from, I have never heard a very good reason for hate. Disagreement, sure. But this unfounded hate is ludicrous. it's funny you say that clinton haters are uneducated on the matters. if you were actually paying attention to how the clintons play ball you'd realize they are crooks. she's run a divisive, dishonest, and hat-switching campaign that only an idiot who wasn't paying attention would support. PS. to answer the OP, i hate hillary clinton (and bill clinton) for the aforementioned reasons. they've been very dishonest, they try hard to inflame demographic divisions for their own benefit, and they are classic politicians in that they will say anything and wear any hat to get elected. hates a strong word, i would rather say i am afraid of hillary clinton because if this is the way she campaigns then i am scared of how she would run the country. the last thing the world needs is another opaque and dishonest presidency.
give it a rest... your rant is just strengthening the opposing argument...
P.S. May I ask which honest and completely trustworthy politician you support??
Oh and P.P.S I was in fact "paying attention" during the clinton adminstration. It was nice having a great economy, not nearly as big a deficit, better healthcare, and no american soldiers dying every month, it was also nice having a president who wasn't affiliated with the middle eastern oil tycoons (AKA the Bin Laden Group)... where were you during that time? Running around accusing the Clinton's of being "crooks" and whining that he got a blowjob?? LOL fucking idiot.. I bet you even like George Bush..
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On February 10 2008 03:26 stk01001 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2008 13:58 a-game wrote:On February 08 2008 02:25 MYM.Testie wrote:
The truth of the matter is that there is nothing to hate about this woman.
If someone hates her, it is a problem with them, not her. She really is not that polarizing a figure compared to other politicians, and she is a far better choice than any of the candidates the republicans are pushing.
Perhaps they actually have given precious minutes of their life to Fox News, or perhaps they simply do not respect women as much. But considering the crap Republicans vote for, talking about anything "genuine". Especially considering that there is no such thing as a genuine republican other than Ron Paul, and everyone has made him out to be insane, and while I wouldn't vote for him or any other republican, he is certainly the most genuine comparatively.
But as you stated, there are people who hate her. The hatred seems completely unvalidated. That's why the posts in this blog have done nothing but give you reasons with no sources or good explanation, like you asked.
I don't know where it comes from, I have never heard a very good reason for hate. Disagreement, sure. But this unfounded hate is ludicrous. it's funny you say that clinton haters are uneducated on the matters. if you were actually paying attention to how the clintons play ball you'd realize they are crooks. she's run a divisive, dishonest, and hat-switching campaign that only an idiot who wasn't paying attention would support. PS. to answer the OP, i hate hillary clinton (and bill clinton) for the aforementioned reasons. they've been very dishonest, they try hard to inflame demographic divisions for their own benefit, and they are classic politicians in that they will say anything and wear any hat to get elected. hates a strong word, i would rather say i am afraid of hillary clinton because if this is the way she campaigns then i am scared of how she would run the country. the last thing the world needs is another opaque and dishonest presidency. give it a rest... your rant is just strengthening the opposing argument... P.S. May I ask which honest and completely trustworthy politician you support?? Oh and P.P.S I was in fact "paying attention" during the clinton adminstration. It was nice having a great economy, not nearly as big a deficit, better healthcare, and no american soldiers dying every month, it was also nice having a president who wasn't affiliated with the middle eastern oil tycoons (AKA the Bin Laden Group)... where were you during that time? Running around accusing the Clinton's of being "crooks" and whining that he got a blowjob?? LOL fucking idiot.. I bet you even like George Bush..
wow totally hostile post.
i wasn't referring to the clinton administration, i was referring to the clintons campaign tactics.
clintons administration brought about NAFTA, but i'm certainly not going to argue with you about whether his administration was better than Bush's. but anyways i shouldn't of replied to you in the first place, seeing as your an asshole who can't have a discussion without belittling the conversation into a series of insults and attacks.
PS: to quote the OP
On February 07 2008 07:48 Tadzio00 wrote:
This blog isn't for people that like/support Hillary Clinton.
GTFO, thanks
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my history teacher told me she used to be for universal health care but then she was bought out.
so that's why i hate her -_-
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I hate her mostly because she scares me...
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Mostly because she appears to be very anti-video game and strikes me as having a similar mentality to Jack Thompson...so it's more of a gut feeling, but still...I just don't like her.
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On February 08 2008 01:25 stk01001 wrote:
Most people that hate hillary are people that have no understanding of politics. They hate her because everyone else does, there's no rational reason behind it. She was a good NY senator, she's pushed through tons of healthcare legislation, her husband was a great president, and any negative thing you say about her you can say about any politician. (that she flip flops on issues and doesn't seem trustworthy all the time, what fucking politician CAN'T you say that about?) As you can see, no one has offered one legitimite or rational reason for hating her for what she's done politcially. They just hate her as a person because they are irrational and they are jealous Bill Clinton was a great president and George Bush was a fucking disaster. And the guy who said she "staged" crying just proves my point.
It's hilarious, the day she cried all her haters laughed at her and said "HAHAH WHAT A WUSS THIS IS GOING TO COST HER THE ELECTION YAY, SHE IS SO WEAK!!!"
Then when it turned out to be a good thing that got her votes, the same exact people went "WHAT THE FUCK SHE STAGED IT TO GET VOTES, WHAT A BITCH!!!"
it's obvious no matter what she does she can't win with these haters because they are irrational. I love watching all the rednecks on the blue collar comedy tour... they are so unfunny they need to yell out "FUCK HILLARY CLINTON" to get all the stupid rednecks riled up.
yeah, because I mean every other candidate has been caught with campaign staff feeding them questions in what was supposed to be a question session with the public, not a pr stunt.
And her proxy attacks/tactics havent been done by anyone else, republican or democrat, this election cycle. You have to go back to the rovian politics of bush in 2004.
I honestly do not know how someone can claim to follow the news and say every politician is equally bad.
Next you'll be saying obama gets a free ride and the MSM is trying to get him elected.
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