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MoNKeYSpanKeR
United States2869 Posts
The only thing standing in his way was a Protoss mirror match up, vs someone who didn't practice or know the maps, but Pj let me down, i honestly viewed it as a toss up, only for him to lose. Oh well, i guess i should be happy enough that he beat sAviOr, someone stork was afraid of becuase of his godly ZvP, only to lose to storks PvP on unknown maps. I guess i'm kind of just disappointed, but did anyone else view his chances of winning as high?   | ||
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MoNKeYSpanKeR
United States2869 Posts
Poll: Should Pj have won? (Vote): Yes, he practiced the maps, which gave him a distinct advantage/Leveled the feild. (Vote): No, stork is a progamer, the maps and practicing were irrelivent, micro and macro were too superior. (Vote): | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
you'd do fine in sales | ||
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Storchen
Sweden4385 Posts
Pj has been playing good yes, but Stork has been playing like korean-good, which always will be a little better. | ||
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Kassios
France1424 Posts
I didnt expected pj to win but to do and I think he did | ||
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MoNKeYSpanKeR
United States2869 Posts
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MoNKeYSpanKeR
United States2869 Posts
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micronesia
United States24801 Posts
On October 08 2007 15:10 oneofthem wrote: Haha I was thinking more or less the same thing. Although the obvious spelling errors don't help...lolwut you'd do fine in sales | ||
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Dark.Carnival
United States5095 Posts
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LosingID8
CA10835 Posts
On October 08 2007 15:06 MoNKeYSpanKeR wrote: i c wat u did tharPj how could you fuck it up? It was your time to shine, finally a korean wouldn't win the damn WCG, you were practicing weeks and weeks for this event, and you blew it at the finals, i honestly beleive you should of won, i mean you took down sAviOr... and you couldn't win a PvP vs Stork? Yes, Stork is amazing, i'm not doubting that, no one could. But PvP is very build order heavy, and i would say map knowledge is very important on it, that's why savior lost his ZvP vs Pj, but i was honeslty exspecting, after that display, for Pj to take it all. The only thing standing in his way was a Protoss mirror match up, vs someone who didn't practice or know the maps, but Pj let me down, i honestly viewed it as a toss up, only for him to lose. Oh well, i guess i should be happy enough that he beat sAviOr, someone stork was afraid of becuase of his godly ZvP, only to lose to storks PvP on unknown maps. I guess i'm kind of just disappointed, but did anyone else view his chances of winning as high? | ||
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EpiK
Korea (South)5757 Posts
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haduken
Australia8267 Posts
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BluzMan
Russian Federation4235 Posts
Pj did a nice build order, then the map killed him with Stork arriving at perfect timing and having 1 more goon than he had to have with normal minlines. Game 2: Pj fucked up his build, enough said and lost even after having a definite advantage. | ||
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Texas
Germany2388 Posts
nevertheless pj did a good job in this year wcg gf, losing to stork is nothing to be ashamed of. | ||
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karelen
Sweden2407 Posts
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morfyy
Romania593 Posts
GG Pj you beat sAviOr(the perfect zerg) . | ||
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MoNKeYSpanKeR
United States2869 Posts
On October 08 2007 15:24 micronesia wrote: Haha I was thinking more or less the same thing. Although the obvious spelling errors don't help... What are you talking about? Kind of confused. Well, to add on to what i said before, i was exspecting korean rape. Through the entire thing, but when Pj took down sAviOr i was just thinking that maybe it was possible, and i must also add i think this was the most likely to end with a foreign victory in the starcraft WCG. But your going to say that you think sAviOr's ZvP compaired to storks PvP is that much of a difference? And you mentioned #1 KeSPA, but sAviOr held that for a while and now he's only #2 or #3, either way sAviOr is damn good, top 3 Zerg in the world. So i was compairing to the fact he took down that insane zerg, then all he had was a match up he was better at, on maps he was more familiar with. So it's not that much more of a long shot, if i had to guess what was more likely before either of the matches happening, i would say i would think him beating Stork PvP was 10x more likely them him beating savior PvZ. Maybe that's just me though. | ||
Chill
Calgary26003 Posts
One player beating someone in a best of 3 says nothing about the result of a series with a completely different person playing a completely different matchup. Why you think there's any correlation, I don't know. Stork made one mistake the whole series, and it was running his Zealots into PJ's army instead of retreating on Peaks. Other than this he played flawlessly. PJ played incredible well also, and didn't make many mistakes either. It was a small advantage leveraged to a win in both games. You don't even list any arguments about why he should have won, except "ololo savior is monster zvp and pj won". | ||
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Wizard
Poland5055 Posts
On October 08 2007 19:15 karelen wrote: of course stork was a huge favourite, but i do think that this year was the final where a non-korean had the best chance of an upset. Wasn't the final in '05 between ForU and Androide close? | ||
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micronesia
United States24801 Posts
On October 08 2007 23:56 MoNKeYSpanKeR wrote: Your poll is not very good in that it is very limited. You either have to believe in one very specific thing or another very specific thing in order to vote honestly.What are you talking about? Kind of confused. | ||
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fight_or_flight
United States3988 Posts
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strongwind
United States862 Posts
On October 08 2007 15:06 MoNKeYSpanKeR wrote: i honestly beleive you should of won, i mean you took down sAviOr... and you couldn't win a PvP vs Stork? *savior fanboy detected* | ||
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MoNKeYSpanKeR
United States2869 Posts
On October 09 2007 00:26 Chill wrote: You are dumb. One player beating someone in a best of 3 says nothing about the result of a series with a completely different person playing a completely different matchup. Why you think there's any correlation, I don't know. Stork made one mistake the whole series, and it was running his Zealots into PJ's army instead of retreating on Peaks. Other than this he played flawlessly. PJ played incredible well also, and didn't make many mistakes either. It was a small advantage leveraged to a win in both games. You don't even list any arguments about why he should have won, except "ololo savior is monster zvp and pj won". Chill, you are dumb. The fact that they are both progamers, i think that would be a correlation of some sort. And sAviOr is one of the best ZvP players around, i think it's pretty safe to say that. He lost to Pj, that was surprising as hell, i wasn't exspecting it. Here, now try to follow my logic here, i can understand how it can be confusing. Pj's weakest is PvZ, he beat one of the best ZvP players. I took the assumption that it was probably largely due to the inexperience the progamers have on the maps. I read that the progamers didn't have time to practice the maps, so basically they relied on there superior macro and micro skills to carry them throughout the stages. In later stages the better players would have advanced, obviously. Meaning better micro better macro and these players would have known the maps aswel. I guess i am making a lot of assumptions here, but i think it says something, if not a lot, definitly not nothing. and nice quote of me, i also said the map advantage, but i guess it's simple to miss my main point in that, mentioning sAviOr was simply to show that the map differences might of ment more then i originally perceived. @Micronesia, i admit i was lazy as hell with the poll, i didn't feel like adding more options. @strongwind, yes i like sAviOr, he gave me ZvT hope ^^ Fanboy? yes and proud  | ||
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Scorpion
United States1974 Posts
;O | ||
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haduken
Australia8267 Posts
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geometryb
United States1249 Posts
thinking that because pj beat savior in a bo3 meant that pj was a monster player that would soon be taking down top kespa players is a huge fallacy. the sample size (3 games) is very small which means upsets aren't that unlikely. | ||
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MoNKeYSpanKeR
United States2869 Posts
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Frits
11782 Posts
On October 09 2007 11:28 Scorpion wrote: If we take into account that sAviOr is also a progamer and Pj beat sAviOr, but StOrk beat Pj, that means that StOrk can beat sAviOr. ;O You'd be awesome at rock paper scissors. Going by your logic: paper>rock, so paper > scissors ? Fail, conclusion: Everyone has their bad days and weak points, not to mention pj training heavily for this while savior also has 2 starleague's to think about. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12973 Posts
Awesome from him that he managed to beat saviOr though. | ||
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MoNKeYSpanKeR
United States2869 Posts
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