Tournaments Won By YellOw - Page 2

Letmelose

Korea (South)3227 Posts

August 22 2017 05:15 GMT

#21

Here's an algorithm that I've been toying around with some time (in various forms),

1) Let's say a player is the last man standing out of his race of choice (only protoss in the round of eight, for example), he is rewarded 100 points. If people share the same standing, the points will be shared according to their number (two highest placing terran players, both finishing at the round of eight, will both get 50 points, for example).

2) With each round the player progresses as the sole member of his race, a hundred points will be added. This is to ensure that there is some level of differentiation between between the last player standing of a certain race in the round of sixteen, and actually going all the way to the championship title as the sole member of a race.

3) Only OGN StarLeague/KPGA Tournament/MSL will be counted, as they are the only two tournaments in history to have at least reasonable coverage over all time frames. Players who were doing well before 2002, or after 2010 will be somewhat screwed over by the somewhat shorter lifespan that KPGA Tournament/MSL had.

This should be a decent indicator of how further ahead these players were compared to their contemporary rivals of their own race. Players who only did well when the entire race as a whole flourished will not be rated that highly, players who were often the best out of their race, but could not deliver the goods once the odds were turned against them will also not be rewarded highly under this system. Only players who were clearly performing better than the second best performing player of his race, as well as being able to battle against all odds will be rewarded highly here.

This will probably best define players who were the heroes of their race, the players who could deliver the results, or at least show a glimmer of hope in the darkest of times for their race.

Flash: 2400 points

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1) Bacchus 2008 OGN StarLeague: 300 points (progressed two rounds after being the only terran in the round of four)
2) EVER 2008 OGN StarLeague: 100 points (only terran player in the round of eight)
3) EVER 2009 OGN StarLeague: 400 points (progressed three rounds after being the only terran in the round of eight)
4) NATE MSL: 300 points (progressed two rounds after being the only terran in the round of four)
5) Korean Air OGN StarLeague S1: 200 points (progressed a round after being the only terran in the round of four)
6) Hana Daetoo MSL: 300 points (progressed two rounds after being the only terran in the round of four)
7) Big File MSL: 200 points (progressed a round after being the only terran in the finals)
8) Korean Air OGN StarLeague S2: 300 points (progressed a round after being the only terran in the round of four)
9) ABCMart MSL: 300 points (progressed a round after being the only terran in the round of four)

Jaedong: 2000 points

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1) EVER 2007 OGN StarLeague: 300 points (progressed two rounds after being the only zerg in the round of four)
2) GomTV MSL S4: 400 points (progressed three rounds after being the only zerg in the round of eight)
3) Arena MSL: 300 points (progressed two rounds after being the only zerg in the round of eight)
4) Batoo OGN StarLeague: 200 points (progressed a round after being the only zerg in the finals)
5) Bacchus 2009 OGN StarLeague: 100 points (only zerg champion)
6) NATE MSL: 200 points (progressed a round after being the only zerg in the finals)
7) Hana Daetoo MSL: 100 points (only zerg player in the finals)
8) Big File MSL: 200 points (progressed a round after being the only zerg in the round of four)
9) Korean Air OGN StarLeague S2: 200 points (progressed a round after being the only zerg in the round of four)

NaDa: 1933 points

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1) 2nd KPGA: 300 points (progressed two rounds after being the only terran in the round of four)
2) 3rd KPGA: 200 points (progressed a round after being the only terran in the finals)
3) 4th KPGA: 200 points (progressed a round after being the only terran in the finals)
4) Panasonic OGN StarLeague: 300 points (progressed two rounds after being the only terran in the round of four)
5) Stout MSL: 200 points (progressed a round after being the only terran in the round of four)
6) YATGK MSL: 200 points (progressed a round after being the only terran in the finals)
7) IOPS OGN StarLeague: 200 points (progressed a round after being the only terran in the finals)
8) Shinhan OGN StarLeague S2: 200 points (progressed a round after being the only terran in the finals)
9) Shinhan OGN StarLeague S3: 100 points (only terran player in the finals)
10) Lost Saga MSL: 33 points (one of the three terran players in the round of eight)

Reach: 1425 points

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1) 3rd KPGA Tournament: 200 points (progressed a round after being the only protoss in the round of four)
2) SKY 2002 OGN StarLeague: 400 points (progressed three rounds after being the only protoss player in the round of eight)
3) Gillette OGN StarLeague: 200 points (progressed a round after being the only protoss in the round of four)
4) EVER 2004 OGN StarLeague: 200 points (progressed a round after being the only protoss in the round of eight)
5) IOPS OGN StarLeague: 100 points (only protoss player in the round of sixteen)
6) EVER 2005 OGN StarLeague: 100 points (only protoss player in the round of eight)
7) UZOO MSL: 200 points (progressed a round after being the only protoss in the round of four)
8) CYON MSL: 25 points (one of the two protoss players in the round of eight, although he did reach the round of six, I will not count that round since other leagues did not always have separate rounds to differentiate these placings)

July: 1400 points

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1) Gillette OGN StarLeague: 400 points (progressed three rounds after being the only zerg player in the round of eight)
2) SPRIS MSL: 100 points (only zerg player in the round of eight)
3) IOPS OGN StarLeague: 100 points (only zerg in the finals)
4) EVER 2005 OGN StarLeague: 200 points (progressed a round after being the only zerg player in the finals)
5) So1 OGN StarLeague: 100 points (only zerg player in the round of eight)
6) Shinhan 2005 OGN StarLeague: 300 points (progressed two rounds after being the only zerg player in the round of eight)
7) EVER 2008 OGN StarLeague: 200 points (progressed a round after being the only zerg player in the finals)

iloveoov: 1250 points

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1) TG Sambo MSL: 200 points (progressed a round after being the only terran in the finals)
2) Hanafos CEN Game MSL: 100 points (only terran champion)
3) Gillette OGN StarLeague: 50 points (one of the two terran players in the round of four, although he did get third place, other leagues did not always have a third place decider, so I will only reward 50 points to make things even across the board)
4) SPRIS MSL: 300 points (progressed two rounds after being the only terran in the round of four)
5) EVER 2004 OGN StarLeague: 100 points (only terran champion)
6) UZOO MSL: 100 points (only terran player in the round of four)
7) CYON MSL: 200 points (progressed a round after being the only terran in the round of eight)
8) Shinhan 2005 OGN StarLeague: 200 points (progressed a round after being the only terran in the finals)

YellOw: 1250 points

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1) Coca-Cola OGN StarLeague: 100 points (only zerg player in the finals)
2) SKY 2001 OGN StarLeague: 200 points (progressed a round after being the only zerg in the round of four)
3) 1st KPGA Tournament: 300 points (progressed two rounds after being the only zerg in the round of eight)
4) 2nd KPGA Tournament: 100 points (only zerg player in the finals)
5) 3rd KPGA Tournament: 50 points (only zerg player in the six player play-off rounds, but if you do a list of players with the highest ELO out of the eliminated ten players, H.O.T-Forever makes it into the final eight)
6) SKY 2002 OGN StarLeague: 100 points (only zerg player in the round of four)
7) Olympus OGN StarLeague: 100 points (only zerg player in the finals)
8) TG Sambo MSL: 200 points (progressed a round after being the only zerg in the round of four)
9) EVER 2004 OGN StarLeague: 100 points (only zerg player in the round of four)

sAviOr: 1200 points

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1) UZOO MSL: 200 points (progressed a round after being the only zerg in the finals)
2) Pringles MSL S1: 300 points (progressed two rounds after being the only zerg player in the round of four)
3) Pringles MSL S2: 100 points (only zerg champion)
4) Shinhan OGN StarLeague S3: 300 points (progressed two rounds after being the only zerg player in the round of four)
5) GomTV MSL S1: 200 points (progressed a round after being the only zerg player in the round of four)
6) GomTV MSL S3: 100 points (only zerg player in the round of four)

FanTaSy: 1100 points

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1) Incruit OGN StarLeague: 200 points (progressed a round after being the only terran player in the round of four)
2) Batoo OGN StarLeague: 200 points (progressed a round after being the only terran player in the round of four)
3) Bacchus 2009 OGN StarLeague: 100 points (only terran player in the round of four)
4) Bacchus 2010 OGN StarLeague: 300 points (progressed two rounds after being the only terran player in the round of four)
5) Jin Air OGN StarLeague: 200 points (progressed a round after being the only terran player in the round of four)
6) TVing OGN StarLeague: 100 points (only terran player in the finals)

BoxeR: 1000 points

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1) HanbitSoft OGN StarLeague: 300 points (progressed two rounds after being the only terran player in the round of four)
2) Coca-Cola OGN StarLeague: 200 points (progressed a round after being the only terran in the finals)
3) SKY 2001 OGN StarLeague: 100 points (only terran player in the finals)
4) 1st KPGA Tournament: 200 points (progressed a round after being the only terran in the finals)
5) SKY 2002 OGN StarLeague: 100 points (only terran player in the finals)
6) So1 OGN StarLeague: 100 points (only terran player in the finals)

Nal_rA: 858 points

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1) Stout MSL: 200 points (progressed a round after being the only protoss in the finals)
2) TG Sambo MSL: 25 points (one of the four protoss players in the round of sixteen, although he was the only one to progress to the round of twelve, I will not count that since I did not account for the top twelve for every single league)
3) NHN Hangame OGN StarLeague: 100 points (only protoss champion)
4) Hanafos CEN Game MSL: 300 points (progressed two rounds after being the only protoss player in the round of sixteen)
5) Shinhan 2005 OGN StarLeague: 33 points (one of the three protoss players in the round of sixteen)
6) Pringles MSL S1: 100 points (only protoss player in the finals)
7) Pringles MSL S2: 100 points (only protoss player in the round of four)

Bisu: 833 points

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1) GomTV MSL S1: 200 points (progressed a round after being the only protoss in the finals)
2) GomTV MSL S2: 100 points (only protoss champion)
3) GomTV MSL S3: 200 points (progressed a round after being the only protoss player in the round of four)
4) Clubday MSL: 100 points (only protoss champion)
5) Batoo OGN StarLeague: 100 points (only protoss player in the round of four)
6) Bacchus 2009 OGN StarLeague: 33 points (one of the three protoss players in the round of sixteen)
7) Avalon MSL: 100 points (only protoss player in the round of eight)

JangBi: 800 points

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1) Lost Saga MSL: 100 points (only protoss in the finals)
2) Jin Air OGN StarLeague: 400 points (progressed three rounds after being the only protoss player in the round of eight)
3) TVing OGN StarLeague: 300 points (progressed three rounds after being the only protoss player in the round of four)

Stork: 750 points

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1) Daum OGN StarLeague: 100 points (only protoss player in the round of four)
2) EVER 2007 OGN StarLeague: 100 points (only protoss player in the finals)
3) Bacchus 2008 OGN StarLeauge: 100 points (only protoss player in the finals)
4) Incruit OGN StarLeague: 200 points (progressed a round after being the only protoss in the finals)
5) Korean Air OGN StarLeague S2: 50 points (one of the two protoss players in the round of four)
6) Bacchus 2010 OGN StarLeague: 200 points (progressed a round after being the only protoss in the round of four)

Although YellOw may not have won as much as sAviOr did, for example, it could be argued that he was a more heroic figure for the zerg race, having nine instances of having zero zerg player be above him in the overall standings, a number that hasn't been defeated in the entire history of the game except by NaDa. Even if all of YellOw's heroics of representing the zerg race has ended in heart-break, I think this particular system of giving points (I'm not trying to rate players by this one metric, it's just one way of looking into the results) explains why so many old school zerg players looked up to YellOw.

Letmelose

Korea (South)3227 Posts

August 22 2017 06:02 GMT

#22

There has been a similar attempt to rank players just by their placements within their own race, but without my attempts to further reward players for advancing past certain brackets after they became the sole member of their own race.

https://pgr21.com/pb/pb.php?id=free2&no=44009&divpage=11&sn=on&keyword=信主

This is a post on PGR21 (a Korean site) from 2011 that ranks players by the following metric:

1) 48 points are rewarded if you are the highest placing player of your own race
2) 24 points are rewarded if you are the second highest placing player of your own race
3) 12 points are rewarded if you are the third highest placing player of your own race
4) Points are shared if there are multiple players with the same placing
5) This post accounted for the various format discrepancies in the individual leagues. In contrast, I chose not to differentiate, and if two players of the same race were in the round of four, for example, I chose to reward both with 50 points (100 points if there was only one player of a certain race) regardless of the existence of a third/fourth place decider.

The guy who came up with this system rewarded players with all 48 points to iloveoov beat Silent_Control for the 3rd place seed. I decided that any placement deciding rounds apart from the universally found round progression of round of sixteen into the round of eight, round of eight into the round of four, round of four into the finals, finals into championships will not be counted.

Due to the differences in the metrics, this system rewards players much more for being one of the best performing players of their own race over a long period of time, rather than being a stand-out hero for his race (which is what my metric attempts to measure).

With that being said, here are points accumulated by players by the above metric (accounting for the last ever three individual leagues that's not accounted in the original post):

1) NaDa: 624 points
2) Flash: 600 points
3) Reach: 556 points
4) YellOw: 538 points
5) BoxeR: 522 points
6) Jaedong: 520 points
7) Stork: 500 points
8) Nal_rA: 492 points
9) Bisu: 442 points
10) iloveoov: 420 points
11) sAviOr: 418 points
12) ChoJJa 414 points
13) July: 408 points
14) FanTaSy: 330 points

Whichever metric you go by, it is undeniable that YellOw's status compared to other top contemporary zerg players of his time, was just as outstanding as some of the greatest zerg players of all time from any era.

lestye

United States4163 Posts

August 22 2017 16:47 GMT

#23

We need Brood War veteran book deals to document all this shaky history.

Letmelose

Korea (South)3227 Posts

August 23 2017 06:48 GMT

#24

YellOw, unless I am mistaken, is unsurprisingly the player who had the most number of heart-breaks in the entire history of the game. This is the number of times a player was one game away from eliminating the eventual champion of a major individual league, perhaps changing the entire course of the tournament.

YellOw: 6 times

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1) One game away from defeating the eventual champion in the finals of Coca-Cola OGN StarLeague.
2) One game away from defeating the eventual champion in the round of four of SKY 2001 OGN StarLeague.
3) One game away from defeating the eventual champion in the finals of 2nd KPGA Tournament.
4) One game away from defeating the eventual champion in the round of four of SKY 2002 OGN StarLeague.
5) One game away from defeating the eventual champion in the finals of Olympus OGN StarLeague.
6) One game away from defeating the eventual champion in the round of four of Shinhan OGN StarLeague S1.

BoxeR: 5 times

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1) One game away from defeating the eventual champion in the finals of SKY 2001 OGN StarLeague.
2) One game away from defeating the eventual champion in the 3rd 2003 Dual Tournament.
3) One game away from defeating the eventual champion in the finals of EVER 2004 OGN StarLeague.
4) One game away from defeating the eventual champion in the finals of So1 OGN StarLeague.
5) One game away from defeating the eventual champion in the round of sixteen of Shinhan 2005 OGN StarLeague.

FanTaSy: 4 times

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1) One game away from defeating the eventual champion in the finals of Incruit OGN StarLeague.
2) One game away from defeating the eventual champion in the finals of Batoo OGN StarLeague.
3) One game away from defeating the eventual champion in the round of four of Big File MSL.
4) One game away from defeating the eventual champion in the finals of Jin Air OGN StarLeague.

Flash: 3 times

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1) One game away from defeating the eventual champion in the round of four of Daum OGN StarLeague.
2) One game away from the eventual champion in the finals of Korean Air OGN StarLeague S1.
3) One game away from defeating the eventual champion in the round of eight of Jin Air OGN StarLeague.

Jaedong: 3 times

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1) One game away from defeating the eventual champion in the round of eight of Bacchus 2008 OGN StarLeague.
2) One game away from defeating the eventual champion in the finals of Big File MSL.
3) One game away from defeating the eventual champion in the round of four of PDPop MSL.

Hwasin: 3 times

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1) One game away from defeating the eventual champion in the round of eight of GomTV MSL S2.
2) One game away from defeating the eventual champion in the round of eight of Daum OGN StarLeague.
3) One game away from defeating the eventual champion in the round of sixteen of Lost Saga MSL.

NaDa: 3 times

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1) One game away from defeating the eventual champion in the round of eight of NHN HanGame OGN StarLeague.
2) One game away from defeating the eventual champion in the finals of Hanafos CEN Game MSL.
3) One game away from defeating the eventual champion in the round of eight of EVER 2004 OGN StarLeague.

XellOs: 3 times

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1) One game away from defeating the eventual champion in the round of eight of Panasonic OGN StarLeague.
2) One game away from defeating the eventual champion in the round of eight of Gillette OGN StarLeague.
3) One game away from defeating the eventual champion in the round of eight of So1 OGN StarLeague.

It is hard enough trying to find players who were one game away from eliminating the eventual champion three times during their entire careers, and I went through a list of some of the most celebrated players in history. Players known for being part of the Kong lineage (players who were deemed to be worthy continuing the tormented legacy of YellOw) don't necessarily make an appearance here, although FanTaSy did YellOw proud in this respect.

So this is YellOw, the zerg with the most number of trophies outside of the major individual leagues that happens to be recorded on TLPD, the zerg who was the last man standing of his chosen race for the most number of times alongside Jaedong, the zerg who finished within the top two of his race of choice more than any other zerg in history, and the player with the most number of instances of nearly knocking out the eventual champion of a major tournament.

I'm hearing all these pretenders saying that they surpassed the tragic nature of YellOw's career by reaching more finals. To be a true Kong, you have to win absurd numbers of tournaments that are not well remembered in history, in greater number than almost any player in history, and you have to have the most number of second place finishes in major individual leagues (while being by far the best player of your race during that time frame). On top of that, you have to have numerous moments where you were one game away from changing that course of history by knocking out the eventual champion.

I came full circle and made this thread into explaining the meme about YellOw, when I initially wanted to show his more triumphant side of YellOw. The irony.

Edpayasugo

United Kingdom2215 Posts

August 23 2017 07:52 GMT

#25

What a great thread

c3rberUs

Japan11286 Posts

August 23 2017 11:45 GMT

#26

I must be alone in thinking like this, but I honestly think that these various stats aren't in the slightest bit, ironic. YellOw's career is only tragic when compared to the sheer weight of his accomplishments. To have even that many opportunties to get to produce that many heartbreakers, a player must play at a phenomenal level for a long period of time. Although I'm sure, he would rather have all those runs end in glorious championships and fill his shelf with hardware.

I'm not really a fan of using title count when it comes to claiming who is the best of the best but all these close but no cigar stats just shows how strong of a player YellOw is and why he is so respected by his peers and his successors.

Letmelose

Korea (South)3227 Posts

August 23 2017 17:13 GMT

#27

YellOw's results in tournaments he participated in after 23rd December 2001 to 13th July 2003:

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1st GameBugs StarCraft Supremacy Battle: 1st place
SKY 2001 OGN StarLeague: 4th place
2002 KPGA Winners Championship: 2nd place
2001 iTV Newcomers' League: 1st place
Korea Telecom King of Kings: 1st place
3rd iTV Ranking League: failed to qualify
1st KPGA Tournament: 2nd place
GhemTV StarLeague S1: failed to qualify
NATE OGN StarLeague: round of 16
2nd KPGA Tournament: 2nd place
4th iTV Ranking League: failed to qualify
WCG 2002 Korea: 1st place
3rd KPGA Tournament: 6th place
GhemTV StarLeague S2: failed to qualify
SKY 2002 OGN StarLeague: 3rd place
WCG 2002: 2nd place
2002 GhemTV Gosu Invitational: 2nd place
4th KPGA Tournament: failed to qualify
KTF Bigi Four Kings Battle: 4th place (last place)
Panasonic OGN StarLeague: 3rd place
KTEC KPGA Winners Championship: 1st place
GhemTV StarLeague S3: failed to qualify
GhemTV FindAll Challenger Open Starleague: 1st place
5th iTV Ranking League: 1st place
Olympus OGN StarLeague: 2nd place

During this time frame YellOw did what the Korean community called a career grand slam, winning tournaments hosted by the four major broadcasting stations at the time, Ongamenet, Gembc (later changed to MBC Game), GhemTV, and iTV. Of course, it was also poking fun at the fact that except for iTV Ranking League, the tournaments YellOw won were all one-off invitational tournaments.

YellOw won seven tournaments, reaching the finals in twelve of them (out of a total of twenty-five tournaments). YellOw had a total record of 186-101 (64.81%) during this period.

The only guy who was able to be this consistently good, was NaDa, arguably the greatest player of all time, back when he was at the peak of his game. This is NaDa's results in the tournaments that YellOw participated in:

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1st GameBugs StarCraft Supremacy Battle: did not participate
SKY 2001 OGN StarLeague: failed to qualify
2002 KPGA Winners Championship: did not participate
2001 iTV Newcomers' League: round of twelve
Korea Telecom King of Kings: did not participate
3rd iTV Ranking League: 1st
1st KPGA Tournament: round of eight
GhemTV StarLeague S1: 3rd
NATE OGN StarLeague: failed to qualify
2nd KPGA Tournament: 1st place
4th iTV Ranking League: 1st place
WCG 2002 Korea: round of eight
3rd KPGA Tournament: 1st place
GhemTV StarLeague S2: Round of eight
SKY 2002 OGN StarLeague: forfeited due to conflicting scheules
WCG 2002: failed to qualify
2002 GhemTV Gosu Invitational: did not participate
4th KPGA Tournament: 1st place
KTF Bigi Four Kings Battle: 2nd place
Panasonic OGN StarLeague: 1st place
KTEC KPGA Winners Championship: 1st place
GhemTV StarLeague S3: failed to qualify
GhemTV FindAll Challenger Open Starleague: 2nd place
5th iTV Ranking League: Round of eight
Olympus OGN StarLeague: Round of sixteen

NaDa won six tournaments, reaching the finals in eight of them (out of a total of twenty-five tournaments). NaDa had a total record of 245-111 (68.82%) during this period.

Now onto the player who was actually the number one ranked KeSPA player for most of this time frame, and the player that actually won the highest prize money during this period (unless I am mistaken). BoxeR's results are as follows:

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1st GameBugs StarCraft Supremacy Battle: did not participate
SKY 2001 OGN StarLeague: 2nd place
2002 KPGA Winners Championship: 6th
2001 iTV Newcomers' League: did not participate
Korea Telecom King of Kings: 5th
3rd iTV Ranking League: 2nd
1st KPGA Tournament: 1st
GhemTV StarLeague S1: did not participate
NATE OGN StarLeague: round of 16
2nd KPGA Tournament: round of eight
4th iTV Ranking League: round of eight
WCG 2002 Korea: bye
3rd KPGA Tournament: 3rd
GhemTV StarLeague S2: round of 16
SKY 2002 OGN StarLeague: 2nd
WCG 2002: 1st
2002 GhemTV Gosu Invitational: 8th place (last place)
4th KPGA Tournament: 6th
KTF Bigi Four Kings Battle: 1st place
Panasonic OGN StarLeague: round of eight
KTEC KPGA Winners Championship: 2nd
GhemTV StarLeague S3: failed to qualify
GhemTV FindAll Challenger Open Starleague: round of 16
5th iTV Ranking League: round of eight
Olympus OGN StarLeague: 3rd place

BoxeR won three tournaments, reaching the finals in seven of them (out of a total of twenty-five tournaments). BoxeR had a total record of 138-107 (56.33%) during this period. His good results in tournaments with good prize pools, allowed him to earn more than the players above despite having a poorer level of consistency than the two players listed above.

During YellOw's absolute peak form as a competitive gamer, NaDa won the most amount of open tournaments, but forfeited (because back then tournaments had conflicting schedules), or got knocked out early in tournaments with great prize pools. BoxeR was no where near as consistent, but was more clutch in the tournaments with huge prize pools. YellOw was clutch in all the wrong tournaments (that would be later forgotten in history), earning more money than NaDa, but slightly less than BoxeR despite winning way more tournaments with more modest prize pools, and losing narrowly to the eventual winners in most the tournaments with huge prize pools. YellOw would be second in terms of overall prize money earned (after BoxeR), and overall number of games won (after NaDa), giving up the first place to different players in various criterias.

The history of YellOw would be playing second fiddle to the absolute best terran players of his time, whether it was BoxeR, NaDa, XellOs, or iloveoov on the more well remembered stages. There would always be another top tier terran in the waiting if one happened to falter. He would push these guys to their limits, and always found his revenge by defeating these players on less well remembered tournaments such as KTEC KPGA Winners Championship, GhemTV FindAll Challenger Open Starleague, Snickers All Stars, and KT-KTF 2004/2005 Premier League, often going all the way to win these forgotten championships after thwarting the very same players who narrowly denied him a major championship for so long. Then he would be congratulated for being the king of special events by the Korean community.

It wouldn't be so bad if YellOw was constantly whitewashed in the finals like Stork often was, or was not shining as brightly in other platforms of competition like FanTaSy (who was always doing better in the major individual leagues than in the ProLeague or WCG Korea, even if doing better often meant losing narrowly to the eventual champions). But the combination of being so close to defeating the best players in the major individual leagues, and being so godlike in special events against the very same players, was a recipe made by the devil himself.

Letmelose

Korea (South)3227 Posts

August 23 2017 18:08 GMT

#28

On August 23 2017 20:45 c3rberUs wrote:
I must be alone in thinking like this, but I honestly think that these various stats aren't in the slightest bit, ironic. YellOw's career is only tragic when compared to the sheer weight of his accomplishments. To have even that many opportunties to get to produce that many heartbreakers, a player must play at a phenomenal level for a long period of time. Although I'm sure, he would rather have all those runs end in glorious championships and fill his shelf with hardware.

I'm not really a fan of using title count when it comes to claiming who is the best of the best but all these close but no cigar stats just shows how strong of a player YellOw is and why he is so respected by his peers and his successors.

The time-frame that includes YellOw's peak form as a gamer is almost entire composed of individual leagues, so there's not much else to go apart from looking at his standings. The bulk of his peak is in 2002, and there's not much to be looked at if you consider the handful of games he played in the earliest team league games.

Even if you single out his performance in a team league setting:

KTF EVER Cup ProLeague (broadcasted on Ongamenet)

One-versus-one record: 4-4 (11th best record)

Two-versus-two record: 8-5 (3rd best record after Reach and H.O.T-Forever)

KeMongSa KPGA Tour Team League (broadcasted on MBC Game)

One-versus-one record: 4-3 (Joint 4th best record)

YellOw was doing just fine for himself in a team based setting (being a high calibre player both in terms of one-versus-one, and two-versus-two), and the sample size is way too small for any meaningful analysis. YellOw's absolute peak years was mid-2001 to mid-2003, so there's not much use in trying to figure out how good he was back then by looking into ProLeague statistics in 2005, for example.

The tournaments YellOw won wasn't that negligible in terms of prize pools, for example, winning tournaments such as KT Kings of Kings, or KTEC KPGA Winners Championship rewarded players the same prize money as finishing second place in the OGN StarLeague, and more prize money than finishing first in any of the KPGA Tournaments.

The question of asking who is the greatest, or best Brood War player (if it is not about absolute gaming level, but their overall worth as a player), is sometimes like asking someone who is the most beautiful woman in the world. Absolute beauty does play a significant part, but after that, everybody has a different criteria for the same title, and are influenced heavily by what the media, and the overall consensus dictates.

Win rates, prize money earned, overall record, number of times a player has pushed the eventual champion to the brink of elimination, and placement within their own race are just tools to diversify our understanding of the results of various players over the years. I don't think any of these metrics can be the definitive measurement of a player's worth by any means, however, the more you look into the results, the more you can get an overall feel of their general aptitude as competitive gamers, in my opinion. I don't think anyone will have enough knowledge or insight to truly judge all these players for all they are worth fairly and accurately without bias. I mostly try to rate the performance (not in terms of artistic merit, or commercial value) of these players as competitors, because that's at least somewhat achievable in my opinion.

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