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Is Civilization LSD?

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FiveHundred
Profile Blog Joined April 2017
109 Posts
June 10 2017 07:10 GMT
#1
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what if every resource was prioritized contrapositive to its usefulness? this is the theory presented by a friend of mine who called all the resources "5-resource types". he is chinese so all the resource types were defined to translate into nothing immediately value.

why use the term contrapositive? because it suggests that both the resource is wrong and the application is wrong.

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so take for example this hydroelectric solarpower plant. the chinese have built a solar power plant on a lake. now surely this is a lot more expensive and probably a lot less reliable than building a solar power plant on land or a hydroelectric plant on water. it's like angelina jolie shot a bullet through your right eye to make a wormhole to your left eye with the stated intent of making a bullet come out of your left eye.

there's nothing, in theory, wrong with this temporal depiction. it simply suggests that the alignment is somehow wrong (if also very smart necessarily uneconomical).

suppose for instance we could build an entire metropolis from the gravity fields of nearby star systems. there's nothing that prevents us from handling things this way, it just isn't what we'd ordinarily do. it would be a very robust metropolis and would almost seem to be energy-shielded in some impossible way (as necessarily the cohesive identity would not exist).

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my point of course is there may not be any limiting these infinitely expansive models. hopefully i'm wrong, but as you can see, if we were drawing architectural advice from patterns of nearby solar systems we could just as well be drawing architectural advice from tectonic plates or speculated regions of the multiverse. there's no reason to ever suppose this universal harmony will be defeated on earth.

the problem, as we see from the pareto optimality question is that nothing of long-term value translates into anything of short-term value. it is all useless. the more complex and interesting the civil architecture becomes, the more useless it is. people are less happy today than they were 30 years ago.

if we are always mortgaging the short-term for the long-term or the long-term for the short-term then we're basically shooting a bullet through our brain. this is really what it means to be human.

i see humans as an inflection point:

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if everything is written correctly here then you would have to be intelligent to read it. if you weren't intelligent it would cause you to kill yourself. but since you wouldn't kill yourself unless you were smart you wouldn't read it in the first place. that's the description of the inflection point. reading this could help you but you won't do it therefore it will kill you whether you read it or not.

in that way this message is like LSD: you should be allowed to kill yourself for better or worse every time you take LSD. this is known as ethics and ethics should kill you. if you are going to die, it should be ethical or agree with ethics. since LSD represents ethics in a specific format it is always better to take LSD.

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opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
June 10 2017 07:22 GMT
#2
You clearly took plenty of it yourself.
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
June 10 2017 08:11 GMT
#3
I agree with the last 7 words, glad I read until the end!
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fluidrone
Profile Blog Joined January 2015
France1478 Posts
June 10 2017 10:16 GMT
#4
Much not wow .. it was a great loss of time reading your post, thank you! so i won't add to the suck fest..

please don't advocate using drugs on a kiddies' forum..


"seem full of yourself" : agreed
"not enough rights"
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18835 Posts
June 10 2017 12:36 GMT
#5
Deamsters>lsd
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
June 10 2017 16:53 GMT
#6
I came in here expecting a Constructivist theory of society.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
FiveHundred
Profile Blog Joined April 2017
109 Posts
June 10 2017 17:00 GMT
#7
On June 11 2017 01:53 Jerubaal wrote:
I came in here expecting a Constructivist theory of society.


There isn't much left of constructivism, as far as I know. The modern take endorsed by philosopher Paul Boghossian and apparently accepted by the Richard Dawkins Foundation is objectivism. Objectivism is essentially seen to be the opposite of social constructivism. Paul Boghossian disassembles social constructivism in Fear of Knowledge. I don't know what contemporary constructivism would look like.
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ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
June 10 2017 17:12 GMT
#8
I like cats.
"If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28500 Posts
June 10 2017 17:25 GMT
#9
I like cats as well
I Protoss winner, could it be?
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16918 Posts
June 10 2017 17:28 GMT
#10
western civilization attained its peak during the "Monday Night Wars". its been all downhill since Monday Nitro went off the air.

Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Bengalaas!!
Profile Joined April 2017
15 Posts
June 10 2017 20:31 GMT
#11
the way you write is a turn off. instead of using language to precisely convey meaning and simplify ideas, you use it to obscure and complicate. seems like you desperately want people to think you're smart.
FiveHundred
Profile Blog Joined April 2017
109 Posts
June 10 2017 20:48 GMT
#12
pandabearguy is the only canon repeat critter in starcraft.
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Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7376 Posts
June 11 2017 06:01 GMT
#13
this is my favorite brand of TL blog.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
MoonfireSpam
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1153 Posts
June 11 2017 10:07 GMT
#14
This is a poor use of LSD.
FiveHundred
Profile Blog Joined April 2017
109 Posts
June 11 2017 13:29 GMT
#15
On June 11 2017 19:07 MoonfireSpam wrote:
This is a poor use of LSD.


i actually do not have any LSD because it is illegal. right now i am simulating the LSD with ayahuasca and mescaline. i don't mind using these psychoactive substances because the ingredients are legal.

since the ingredients are legal it is only illegal to cook the ingredients. but you can probably cook the ingredients at your own discretion. i do not think the government can legally survey an in-doors kitchen.

it is like wondering whether if a tree falls in a forest anyone can hear it. yes of course if you are the only person in the forest when the tree falls then you will hear the tree fall. but you don't have to tell the government that a tree has fallen.

since the ingredients are illegal to cook it would be against your own self-interest to tell the government you were cooking the ingredients.

it seems to be a weak spot in the government that you could compromise your own self-interest by telling the government something that would endanger you.
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Subflow
Profile Joined August 2016
52 Posts
June 19 2017 11:41 GMT
#16
Amanita muscaria > LSD
i am not kidding, it is actually really, really strong
imgbaby
Profile Blog Joined May 2015
158 Posts
June 19 2017 20:27 GMT
#17
it is like wondering whether if a tree falls in a forest anyone can hear it. yes of course if you are the only person in the forest when the tree falls then you will hear the tree fall. but you don't have to tell the government that a tree has fallen.


lol
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