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Korakys
New Zealand272 Posts
NB: This list is pretty subjective. Also, I am a complete amateur at these kinds of data things. + Show Spoiler [The List] + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/P4NvBzP.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/gJhTixN.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/7oWjla4.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/ZohNd6U.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/J5dVE3T.png) *37a -- Taiwan -- 23,200,405 -- 36,193 -- 446,141,000,000 -- (est.) Spreadsheet available at: http://s000.tinyupload.com/download.php?file_id=90343929144416565734&t=9034392914441656573404924 You may now comment.    | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17137 Posts
Canada is the best country because it has the fewest # of humans per square kilometer of surface area. when reading my posts keep in mind i talk like these guys here, eh | ||
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hitthat
Poland2268 Posts
As you see, its not an easy thing. | ||
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fabiano
Brazil4644 Posts
...if only that was truth  | ||
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ninazerg
United States7291 Posts
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FlaShFTW
United States10252 Posts
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Deleted User 137586
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On December 08 2016 09:37 FlaShFTW wrote: My top 5 would be something like USA, Russia, China, Japan, Iran. UK should be higher and India is too high imo. Is Iran really that consequential right now? Seems like Germany as the most powerful country in the EU would deserve a top5 spot above some semi-belligerent country. Iran may be more of a problem than it seems behind closed doors but no way it's a bigger deal than Germany. | ||
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Korakys
New Zealand272 Posts
On December 08 2016 06:02 ninazerg wrote: How is Canada ahead of the UK? This list is wrong. That was my first thought too. I actually made this list about a month ago and was prompted to post it because I was musing a list of what are the big, important, global players and came up with 9: Brazil, China, France, Germany, India, Japan, Russia, UK and USA (probably being a bit generous to Brazil here). I think Canada is often underrated, but it this case it is well overrated. | ||
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ninazerg
United States7291 Posts
On December 08 2016 10:47 Djzapz wrote: Is Iran really that consequential right now? Seems like Germany as the most powerful power in the EU would deserve a top5 spot above some semi-belligerent country. Iran may be more of a problem than it seems behind closed doors but no way it's a bigger deal than Germany. Yeah, I don't think Iran is really that "important", but they are the focus of international politics because of their controversial nuclear program. My top 5 are: 1. Tupac 2. Biggie 3. Eminem 4. Jay-Z 5. Andre 3000 | ||
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Korakys
New Zealand272 Posts
On December 08 2016 10:19 Ghanburighan wrote: It's a bit weird to add "surface area" to the calculation (it's a bit of a nebulous topic anyway, though). What's the land area going to add to a country's significance besides adding to the hours it takes to fly over it? It's also pushing up Canada. I'd add military expenditure instead, or something like that. I was approaching a little bit from the viewpoint of a child and the concept of mindshare, bigger countries just do get more attention and are more well known (one could argue cause and effect). I do think land size is quite important though and, again, a really big part of this was cover as many countries as possible and to use the most objective data I could (although knowing that the end result would always be highly subjective). Military expenditure is something I will keep in mind though. Edit: Bugger, just realised I forgot to add the statement saying this list is highly subjective, I'll go put it in the OP now. | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10252 Posts
On December 08 2016 10:47 Djzapz wrote: Is Iran really that consequential right now? Seems like Germany as the most powerful country in the EU would deserve a top5 spot above some semi-belligerent country. Iran may be more of a problem than it seems behind closed doors but no way it's a bigger deal than Germany. Well, I think Iran is going to begin rising in the very near future, so maybe in the future. I guess they aren't top 5 right now but with the Iran nuclear deal and Iran beginning to get even more power in the Middle East than even Saudi Arabia, yes, I think Iran is definitely needed to be acknowledge more than it is. | ||
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Korakys
New Zealand272 Posts
On December 08 2016 09:37 FlaShFTW wrote: My top 5 would be something like USA, Russia, China, Japan, Iran. UK should be higher and India is too high imo. I actually think Iran is one of the countries that is correctly placed. UK should be definitely higher, but I think this shows that they punch well above their weight-class. In the raw scores India was only a little over half as significant as China. A titbit, the top 10 countries account for 60% of the total in the raw scores. The USA accounts for just under 16% and China 12%. | ||
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Korakys
New Zealand272 Posts
On December 08 2016 11:53 FlaShFTW wrote: Well, I think Iran is going to begin rising in the very near future, so maybe in the future. I guess they aren't top 5 right now but with the Iran nuclear deal and Iran beginning to get even more power in the Middle East than even Saudi Arabia, yes, I think Iran is definitely needed to be acknowledge more than it is. The Iran nuclear deal was about Iran giving up some military development in exchange for some economic development. Iran used to be number 1, but that was like 3000 years ago. It will never be in the top 10 again, let alone top 5, unless it merges with lots of other countries (highly unlikely due to cultural differences). Saudi Arabia being powerful has been an anomaly that will soon end, as equilibrium returns. | ||
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Korakys
New Zealand272 Posts
On December 08 2016 03:09 fabiano wrote: Suck on that, Germany!!! Brazil is more significant than Deutschland! ...if only that was truth I think this list more reflects more the "weight-class" of a country than perhaps it does reality. (Perhaps I should have quadruple weighted the GDP figures). So Brazil is under-performing at the moment and Germany is over-performing due to each countries "inertia" based on its past. So Brazil is on the long road up form here! (Quasi-coups not withstanding). | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10252 Posts
On December 08 2016 11:59 Korakys wrote: I actually think Iran is one of the countries that is correctly placed. UK should be definitely higher, but I think this shows that they punch well above their weight-class. In the raw scores India was only a little over half as significant as China. A titbit, the top 10 countries account for 60% of the total in the raw scores. The USA accounts for just under 16% and China 12%. I think Russia is far too low. Russia's economy is on the rise since Putin took over, they currently have the more intelligent politician in the world at the controls and Russia has so much pressure everywhere in the world. In terms of significance, they might even compete with America for the #1 slot. The have India in the top 5 and Russia not is a huge mistake. Iran in the coming years will begin to acrude more and more influence over the Middle East. Their technological advances are beginning to show and economically they are also moving up in the world as well. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17137 Posts
On December 08 2016 11:33 ninazerg wrote: Yeah, I don't think Iran is really that "important", but they are the focus of international politics because of their controversial nuclear program. My top 5 are: 1. Tupac 2. Biggie 3. Eminem 4. Jay-Z 5. Andre 3000 1. Led Zeppelin 2. Starcraft 3. Pat Gillick 4. Richard Jefferson 5. Doug Gilmour every generation the "experts" claimed humanity will be wiped out. This decade its "climax change" and global warming. in the 90s it was AIDS. Nuclear Holocaust was another good one. we're all going to die of AIDS so none of this matters. | ||
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Korakys
New Zealand272 Posts
On December 08 2016 15:32 FlaShFTW wrote: I think Russia is far too low. Russia's economy is on the rise since Putin took over, they currently have the more intelligent politician in the world at the controls and Russia has so much pressure everywhere in the world. In terms of significance, they might even compete with America for the #1 slot. The have India in the top 5 and Russia not is a huge mistake. Iran in the coming years will begin to acrude more and more influence over the Middle East. Their technological advances are beginning to show and economically they are also moving up in the world as well. What the heck, are you opposite-from-reality-man? Russia's economy is in a shambles, the amount of corruption is staggering and the dependence on oil is increasingly a liability as its importance is undermined by slowly increasing renewables. It has finally regained the No.2 spot in the world in terms of military strength though I reckon, but this is more than offset by all its other problems. Not to mention what would happen if Putin pulled a Chavez and died, chaos, that's what. Have you been watching TV news or something, you seem to think that the US's enemies are much stronger than they actually are. | ||
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Deleted User 137586
7859 Posts
On December 08 2016 20:07 Korakys wrote: What the heck, are you opposite-from-reality-man? Russia's economy is in a shambles, the amount of corruption is staggering and the dependence on oil is increasingly a liability as its importance is undermined by slowly increasing renewables. It has finally regained the No.2 spot in the world in terms of military strength though I reckon, but this is more than offset by all its other problems. Not to mention what would happen if Putin pulled a Chavez and died, chaos, that's what. Have you been watching TV news or something, you seem to think that the US's enemies are much stronger than they actually are. Actually, Russia lags quite far behind both China and Saudi Arabia (let alone US) in terms of military expenditure. | ||
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Korakys
New Zealand272 Posts
On December 08 2016 21:53 Ghanburighan wrote: Actually, Russia lags quite far behind both China and Saudi Arabia (let alone US) in terms of military expenditure. Military expenditure is vaguely indicative, but it is far from everything. Saudi Arabia can't even win its war with North Yemen at the moment after more than a year of trying for example. China is trying mightily to build its own equipment, but its not quite building good enough stuff yet and its troops are untested in battle. Russia's military has recently regained its operational effectiveness, by testing itself in Georgia, Ukraine and, currently, Syria. It also has good performance military technology. China will be number two in global militaries soon, once it can replace its massive stock of somewhat lacklustre weapons systems with quality tech (probably in about 10-15 years). | ||
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Deleted User 137586
7859 Posts
On December 09 2016 06:07 Korakys wrote: Military expenditure is vaguely indicative, but it is far from everything. Saudi Arabia can't even win its war with North Yemen at the moment after more than a year of trying for example. China is trying mightily to build its own equipment, but its not quite building good enough stuff yet and its troops are untested in battle. Russia's military has recently regained its operational effectiveness, by testing itself in Georgia, Ukraine and, currently, Syria. It also has good performance military technology. China will be number two in global militaries soon, once it can replace its massive stock of somewhat lacklustre weapons systems with quality tech (probably in about 10-15 years). I'm quite partial to this view, and it's shared by people like the experts in Credit Suisse, but the OP wanted to use "objective" data and it doesn't fit the bill. | ||
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Korakys
New Zealand272 Posts
On December 09 2016 08:36 Ghanburighan wrote: I'm quite partial to this view, and it's shared by people like the experts in Credit Suisse, but the OP wanted to use "objective" data and it doesn't fit the bill. I am the OP! | ||
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Deleted User 137586
7859 Posts
So you are. Still, besides the subjective view of other people, I don't think you can measure "quality tech" all that stuff. So adding this would undermine your effort. | ||
dravernor
Netherlands6191 Posts
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hypercube
Hungary2735 Posts
On December 08 2016 15:32 FlaShFTW wrote: I think Russia is far too low. Russia's economy is on the rise since Putin took over, they currently have the more intelligent politician in the world at the controls and Russia has so much pressure everywhere in the world. In terms of significance, they might even compete with America for the #1 slot. The have India in the top 5 and Russia not is a huge mistake. Russia reminds me of France during the time of Napoleon III. A great power in decline, with an extremely active foreign policy. It makes them look good in the short term but it doesn't change the long term trend. It might even make their eventual fall worse, since much of the windfall of the commodity boom was invested into the military. The high growth era fueled by rising oil and gas prices is already over and if the Paris agreement is any indication it's never coming back. So the previously highest growing sectors, that represent 65% of Russia's exports, are looking at negative growth for the next two decades. A few foreign policy successes in Syria or Ukraine hardly make up for that. | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4373 Posts
Top 30 material.Check military spending. | ||
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Cascade
Australia5405 Posts
On December 08 2016 00:50 JimmyJRaynor wrote: The world is over populated. Canada is the best country because it has the fewest # of humans per square kilometer of surface area. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJE3EgTGg9k when reading my posts keep in mind i talk like these guys here, eh I was about to post a reply about how there are 10 or so countries with lower population density than Canada, but then I watched the video and imagined what that discussion would be like with them, and then I decided not to bother. | ||
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