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Ya it probably isn’t good for me but LMFAO wHo cAREAS HAHA Xd.
You forgot "#YOLO."
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On May 22 2015 05:38 FHDH wrote:
What exactly was the complaint about TS2 all-star match? There was money. Are you saying skill wasn't involved because it was ARDM? Or just it wasn't vanilla dota so it doesn't count? Don't tell me the players didn't try.
And yeah, sometimes as a professional whose entire fucking career requires fans you DO STUFF FOR THE FANS.
I understand EE not liking ARDM. But I don't care.
TS2 ARDM was the only all start game I look back at fondly. The game was enjoyable in many ways even if the quality was mediocre.
But every other all star game whether it was TI, Starladder etc sucked. I personally tune out after the first 8 minutes if I don't like the vibe of the game.
On May 22 2015 05:25 nimdil wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 05:03 mutantmagnet wrote:On May 22 2015 03:32 Yurie wrote:On May 22 2015 02:09 mutantmagnet wrote:On May 22 2015 02:07 nimdil wrote:
Why players don't want to play showmatches? IT's not like they have to try 100% and they play matches in the downtime anyway. For the same reason I don't like watching them. They aren't games of skill like the East vs West Conferences for Basketball or football. Instead it's a joke match. I wish they stopped making jokes of them. It should be a fun game, not spawning fountains in the middle of the map to make it end fast. Not sure how they should make the players and organisers feel it is an important game compared to a pub where they do try hard most of the time. It isn't like they have thousands of spectators that they just mess with... Well the other all star games actually pay very well. If there was a prize winnings in Dota all stars they would be more serious as well. So dota 2 players can't care about a game to a degree they care about training match of its called show match and is not loaded with cash? If that's the case I wonder if "thanks for cheering for me" is sincere because show matches are for fans and if you don't give a shit about them...
Keep in mind I'm biased against these types of show matches. If I watched an all star match in any other sport I expect the best of the best playing a legit game. I'm the type of fan that expects that level of play in Dota as well but a lot of other fans do like these irreverent games.
I'm making a guess that if substantial money was on the line the participants wouldn't play like rodeo clowns which might be the reason the all star games in other scenes are serious.
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Always good to have discussion, I like both EE's comments and HolyMaster's response. End of the day just keep trying different stuff, EE's view is definitely biased towards players and there will always be a pull/tug between organizers, players, owners and viewers.
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On May 22 2015 07:15 ArchDC wrote:
Always good to have discussion, I like both EE's comments and HolyMaster's response. End of the day just keep trying different stuff, EE's view is definitely biased towards players and there will always be a pull/tug between organizers, players, owners and viewers.
Where is his response?
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Interesting blog, I like it. Good luck C9.
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On May 22 2015 02:09 mutantmagnet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 02:07 nimdil wrote:
Why players don't want to play showmatches? IT's not like they have to try 100% and they play matches in the downtime anyway. For the same reason I don't like watching them. They aren't games of skill like the East vs West Conferences for Basketball or football. Instead it's a joke match.
ARDM that we saw at TI4? (when rtz got void last) and some other tournament was the hypest shit ever. granted that was probably because it came down to the wire but the players who played seemed to enjoy it a lot and i think it was great for viewers.
i think there was an all star match where they spawned like 90 roshans or something, that is not fun to watch.
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On May 22 2015 06:03 mutantmagnet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 05:38 FHDH wrote:
What exactly was the complaint about TS2 all-star match? There was money. Are you saying skill wasn't involved because it was ARDM? Or just it wasn't vanilla dota so it doesn't count? Don't tell me the players didn't try.
And yeah, sometimes as a professional whose entire fucking career requires fans you DO STUFF FOR THE FANS.
I understand EE not liking ARDM. But I don't care. TS2 ARDM was the only all start game I look back at fondly. The game was enjoyable in many ways even if the quality was mediocre. But every other all star game whether it was TI, Starladder etc sucked. I personally tune out after the first 8 minutes if I don't like the vibe of the game. Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 05:25 nimdil wrote:On May 22 2015 05:03 mutantmagnet wrote:On May 22 2015 03:32 Yurie wrote:On May 22 2015 02:09 mutantmagnet wrote:On May 22 2015 02:07 nimdil wrote:
Why players don't want to play showmatches? IT's not like they have to try 100% and they play matches in the downtime anyway. For the same reason I don't like watching them. They aren't games of skill like the East vs West Conferences for Basketball or football. Instead it's a joke match. I wish they stopped making jokes of them. It should be a fun game, not spawning fountains in the middle of the map to make it end fast. Not sure how they should make the players and organisers feel it is an important game compared to a pub where they do try hard most of the time. It isn't like they have thousands of spectators that they just mess with... Well the other all star games actually pay very well. If there was a prize winnings in Dota all stars they would be more serious as well. So dota 2 players can't care about a game to a degree they care about training match of its called show match and is not loaded with cash? If that's the case I wonder if "thanks for cheering for me" is sincere because show matches are for fans and if you don't give a shit about them... Keep in mind I'm biased against these types of show matches. If I watched an all star match in any other sport I expect the best of the best playing a legit game. I'm the type of fan that expects that level of play in Dota as well but a lot of other fans do like these irreverent games. I'm making a guess that if substantial money was on the line the participants wouldn't play like rodeo clowns which might be the reason the all star games in other scenes are serious.
NFL all star game is much in the same vibe as the TI ones.
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On May 22 2015 10:19 Yergidy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 06:03 mutantmagnet wrote:On May 22 2015 05:38 FHDH wrote:
What exactly was the complaint about TS2 all-star match? There was money. Are you saying skill wasn't involved because it was ARDM? Or just it wasn't vanilla dota so it doesn't count? Don't tell me the players didn't try.
And yeah, sometimes as a professional whose entire fucking career requires fans you DO STUFF FOR THE FANS.
I understand EE not liking ARDM. But I don't care. TS2 ARDM was the only all start game I look back at fondly. The game was enjoyable in many ways even if the quality was mediocre. But every other all star game whether it was TI, Starladder etc sucked. I personally tune out after the first 8 minutes if I don't like the vibe of the game. On May 22 2015 05:25 nimdil wrote:On May 22 2015 05:03 mutantmagnet wrote:On May 22 2015 03:32 Yurie wrote:On May 22 2015 02:09 mutantmagnet wrote:On May 22 2015 02:07 nimdil wrote:
Why players don't want to play showmatches? IT's not like they have to try 100% and they play matches in the downtime anyway. For the same reason I don't like watching them. They aren't games of skill like the East vs West Conferences for Basketball or football. Instead it's a joke match. I wish they stopped making jokes of them. It should be a fun game, not spawning fountains in the middle of the map to make it end fast. Not sure how they should make the players and organisers feel it is an important game compared to a pub where they do try hard most of the time. It isn't like they have thousands of spectators that they just mess with... Well the other all star games actually pay very well. If there was a prize winnings in Dota all stars they would be more serious as well. So dota 2 players can't care about a game to a degree they care about training match of its called show match and is not loaded with cash? If that's the case I wonder if "thanks for cheering for me" is sincere because show matches are for fans and if you don't give a shit about them... Keep in mind I'm biased against these types of show matches. If I watched an all star match in any other sport I expect the best of the best playing a legit game. I'm the type of fan that expects that level of play in Dota as well but a lot of other fans do like these irreverent games. I'm making a guess that if substantial money was on the line the participants wouldn't play like rodeo clowns which might be the reason the all star games in other scenes are serious. NFL all star game is much in the same vibe as the TI ones.
Yep. So was MLB until they decided to rest home field advantage of the world series on the outcome (or something very similar; I don't watch baseball).
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On May 22 2015 09:48 zev318 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 02:09 mutantmagnet wrote:On May 22 2015 02:07 nimdil wrote:
Why players don't want to play showmatches? IT's not like they have to try 100% and they play matches in the downtime anyway. For the same reason I don't like watching them. They aren't games of skill like the East vs West Conferences for Basketball or football. Instead it's a joke match. ARDM that we saw at TI4? (when rtz got void last) and some other tournament was the hypest shit ever. granted that was probably because it came down to the wire but the players who played seemed to enjoy it a lot and i think it was great for viewers. i think there was an all star match where they spawned like 90 roshans or something, that is not fun to watch.
that was summit 2
ti4 was actually a fucking pathetic joke where they gave rtz techies (omg big hype reveal) and he had no clue how to play it and failed miserably while getting run over by a tryharding 430
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On May 22 2015 10:19 Yergidy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 06:03 mutantmagnet wrote:On May 22 2015 05:38 FHDH wrote:
What exactly was the complaint about TS2 all-star match? There was money. Are you saying skill wasn't involved because it was ARDM? Or just it wasn't vanilla dota so it doesn't count? Don't tell me the players didn't try.
And yeah, sometimes as a professional whose entire fucking career requires fans you DO STUFF FOR THE FANS.
I understand EE not liking ARDM. But I don't care. TS2 ARDM was the only all start game I look back at fondly. The game was enjoyable in many ways even if the quality was mediocre. But every other all star game whether it was TI, Starladder etc sucked. I personally tune out after the first 8 minutes if I don't like the vibe of the game. On May 22 2015 05:25 nimdil wrote:On May 22 2015 05:03 mutantmagnet wrote:On May 22 2015 03:32 Yurie wrote:On May 22 2015 02:09 mutantmagnet wrote:On May 22 2015 02:07 nimdil wrote:
Why players don't want to play showmatches? IT's not like they have to try 100% and they play matches in the downtime anyway. For the same reason I don't like watching them. They aren't games of skill like the East vs West Conferences for Basketball or football. Instead it's a joke match. I wish they stopped making jokes of them. It should be a fun game, not spawning fountains in the middle of the map to make it end fast. Not sure how they should make the players and organisers feel it is an important game compared to a pub where they do try hard most of the time. It isn't like they have thousands of spectators that they just mess with... Well the other all star games actually pay very well. If there was a prize winnings in Dota all stars they would be more serious as well. So dota 2 players can't care about a game to a degree they care about training match of its called show match and is not loaded with cash? If that's the case I wonder if "thanks for cheering for me" is sincere because show matches are for fans and if you don't give a shit about them... Keep in mind I'm biased against these types of show matches. If I watched an all star match in any other sport I expect the best of the best playing a legit game. I'm the type of fan that expects that level of play in Dota as well but a lot of other fans do like these irreverent games. I'm making a guess that if substantial money was on the line the participants wouldn't play like rodeo clowns which might be the reason the all star games in other scenes are serious. NFL all star game is much in the same vibe as the TI ones.
I don't really care about NFL.
I don't get the attitude and I'm strongly against such behaviour. Players invited to this show matches are generally already well payed progamers with quite a following. They definitely can give a damn and try to play good match for an hour. Maybe they forget that esport tournaments are entertainment events for fans first, not fundraisers for them.
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On May 22 2015 10:19 Yergidy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 06:03 mutantmagnet wrote:On May 22 2015 05:38 FHDH wrote:
What exactly was the complaint about TS2 all-star match? There was money. Are you saying skill wasn't involved because it was ARDM? Or just it wasn't vanilla dota so it doesn't count? Don't tell me the players didn't try.
And yeah, sometimes as a professional whose entire fucking career requires fans you DO STUFF FOR THE FANS.
I understand EE not liking ARDM. But I don't care. TS2 ARDM was the only all start game I look back at fondly. The game was enjoyable in many ways even if the quality was mediocre. But every other all star game whether it was TI, Starladder etc sucked. I personally tune out after the first 8 minutes if I don't like the vibe of the game. On May 22 2015 05:25 nimdil wrote:On May 22 2015 05:03 mutantmagnet wrote:On May 22 2015 03:32 Yurie wrote:On May 22 2015 02:09 mutantmagnet wrote:On May 22 2015 02:07 nimdil wrote:
Why players don't want to play showmatches? IT's not like they have to try 100% and they play matches in the downtime anyway. For the same reason I don't like watching them. They aren't games of skill like the East vs West Conferences for Basketball or football. Instead it's a joke match. I wish they stopped making jokes of them. It should be a fun game, not spawning fountains in the middle of the map to make it end fast. Not sure how they should make the players and organisers feel it is an important game compared to a pub where they do try hard most of the time. It isn't like they have thousands of spectators that they just mess with... Well the other all star games actually pay very well. If there was a prize winnings in Dota all stars they would be more serious as well. So dota 2 players can't care about a game to a degree they care about training match of its called show match and is not loaded with cash? If that's the case I wonder if "thanks for cheering for me" is sincere because show matches are for fans and if you don't give a shit about them... Keep in mind I'm biased against these types of show matches. If I watched an all star match in any other sport I expect the best of the best playing a legit game. I'm the type of fan that expects that level of play in Dota as well but a lot of other fans do like these irreverent games. I'm making a guess that if substantial money was on the line the participants wouldn't play like rodeo clowns which might be the reason the all star games in other scenes are serious. NFL all star game is much in the same vibe as the TI ones.
Well players often get injured in the NFL, so it's kind of understandable they'll play to avoid getting hurt (not sacking the qb, etc) when the game isn't worth anything. This shouldn't be a problem in dota
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BTS+RedBull
Summit of Bulls
Red Summit
Red Spirit Breaker
Beyond the Bulls (rip Chicago)
Bull Summit
I'm trying :_:
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On May 23 2015 00:15 Howie_Dewitt wrote:
BTS+RedBull
Summit of Bulls
Red Summit
Red Spirit Breaker
Beyond the Bulls (rip Chicago)
Bull Summit
I'm trying :_:
Wings to the Summit
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Ehhhh...the players, they come to play. Put on good showmatch for fans is good, but that is bonus. They are players and they playmatch, not showers for showmatch. First entertainment come from the real games. If viewers want entertainment from showmatch, BTS invite twitch showers like the fluffy bunny and the voltron. Anderson believe animals and robots give good entertainment showmatch for the fans.
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On May 23 2015 02:21 iG.AndersonSilva wrote:
Ehhhh...the players, they come to play. Put on good showmatch for fans is good, but that is bonus. They are players and they playmatch, not showers for showmatch. First entertainment come from the real games. If viewers want entertainment from showmatch, BTS invite twitch showers like the fluffy bunny and the voltron. Anderson believe animals and robots give good entertainment showmatch for the fans.
Yeah but that's the thing. They get paid to play because of the fans. If the fans want to see them do it, it's not some ridiculous thing for them to just do it. Wow, one game in a tournament that isn't super tryhard. How can PROFESSIONALS cope with this.
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Good shit.
Here's hoping the Major system allows for a bunch of great things for dota and doesn't royally fuck things up like WCS did for GSL.
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On May 21 2015 14:33 Bench_5R wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2015 14:04 Loomies wrote:
I don't think Nexon will put that much effort into hosting a LAN when the game failed to gain traction after many Nexon Leagues. At least korean people will have to wait less since their servers are now accessible for everyone Speaking of Nexon, does anyone know why the Korean Dota scene hasn't had any domestic leagues or tournaments since KDL in November? Have the organizations/Kespa given up on it? I always enjoyed watching the high production value Korean games. I feel like the Korean Dota scene is gonna stagnate like the rest of SEA if Nexon has stopped supporting the competitive teams.
It's supposed to be happening but they're still figuring out the schedule so it's taking forever to get started.. that shit got me to end up leaving Korea, gonna write about it with more infos on whats going on with KDL etc when I get the time
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First EE mature blog probably? Much better writing too.
Well thought opinions on Majors, they actually make sense. I sincerely hope the 4 Majors help grow Dota, but it's also a bit scary for small tournaments getting less attention from T1 teams and consequently from viewers.
In a final remark, RedBull/BTS as the last Major would be totally fanfuckingtastic, but I don't think it's probable since TI is already hosted in USA, they would probably want an european host for it (assuming the other two are asian).
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Very well thought out blog EE. Hopefully there is a more standardized method of setting up PCs across tournies in the future, although I don't know what that would mean for sponsorships.
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On May 24 2015 11:28 eits wrote:
Very well thought out blog EE. Hopefully there is a more standardized method of setting up PCs across tournies in the future, although I don't know what that would mean for sponsorships.
There won't be, for like, a million reasons.
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