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On May 22 2015 00:37 Sn0_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 00:34 Yergidy wrote:On May 21 2015 23:17 Denia1 wrote:
Majors are all speculation. Honestly I don't think Dota2 can ever compete with LoL in Korea so having an American, European and Chinese major respectively makes the most sense to me, as those are the 3 biggest scenes. Then again, TI is already held in America so.... I don't consider TI being held in America, more like held in Seattle, because that's where Valve is located. Not having a major in America would do two great American esports organizations a disservice(RedBull and MLG). In my opinion, it's less about where the majors are and more about what organization would do the best job holding one. ? I bet by ur logic DAC isn't held in china it's held in Shanghai and as such (insert chinese city here) totally deserves another major blah blah blah keep in mind china is the same size as the US land-wise and has around 4x the population Also keep in mind MLG has a miniscule dota pedigree at best and Redbull has done like 2 very small scale dota tournaments ever.
You don't get my point. My point is it's not just a tournament, it's a tournament hosted by Valve, which is completely different, even for the upcoming majors. Valve doesn't host the event in Seattle because it's in America or because it's an American tourney, they host it because it's close to where their company is located.
On May 22 2015 01:08 Taters_ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 00:34 Yergidy wrote:On May 21 2015 23:17 Denia1 wrote:
Majors are all speculation. Honestly I don't think Dota2 can ever compete with LoL in Korea so having an American, European and Chinese major respectively makes the most sense to me, as those are the 3 biggest scenes. Then again, TI is already held in America so.... I don't consider TI being held in America, more like held in Seattle, because that's where Valve is located. Not having a major in America would do two great American esports organizations a disservice(RedBull and MLG). In my opinion, it's less about where the majors are and more about what organization would do the best job holding one. Red Bull isn't American though.
No, but every event they have hosted for dota has been located in America.
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Which doesn't somehow make it not an american major unless seattle has seceded from the USA recently.
For all u know dac was in shanghai cuz thats where perfect world is headquartered. That doesn't make it not a chinese tournament.
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On May 22 2015 01:15 Sn0_Man wrote:
Which doesn't somehow make it not an american major unless seattle has seceded from the USA recently.
For all u know dac was in shanghai cuz thats where perfect world is headquartered. That doesn't make it not a chinese tournament.
The International is it's own entity, always has been. A place for the best regardless of region, to play. It just happens to be held in the US because of Valve's location and they want it close. If you think DAC was the same as TI, we have bigger issues. You can say from a spectator perspective it's a US tourney based solely on location, but I already stated I don't think majors should be chosen based solely on location.
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Netherlands45349 Posts
SEA could use a Major as that is a region that is large in potential but lacks infrastructure.
the problem is who the fuck is going to organise it, most likely Mineski or something? The last SEA event was a bloody disaster until Mineski stepped.
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On May 22 2015 01:28 Kipsate wrote:
SEA could use a Major as that is a region that is large in potential but lacks infrastructure.
the problem is who the fuck is going to organise it, most likely Mineski or something? The last SEA event was a bloody disaster until Mineski stepped.
There's always that Nexon rumour but they seem really really inactive these days for a scene that might be hosting a major any time soon. I agree that with 4 qualifier areas I don't see why there wouldn't be one major per area.
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Glad to hear Summit 3's attempts to treat the players well worked out, Though I'm still sad the games were so one-sided.
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On May 22 2015 01:14 Yergidy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 00:37 Sn0_Man wrote:On May 22 2015 00:34 Yergidy wrote:On May 21 2015 23:17 Denia1 wrote:
Majors are all speculation. Honestly I don't think Dota2 can ever compete with LoL in Korea so having an American, European and Chinese major respectively makes the most sense to me, as those are the 3 biggest scenes. Then again, TI is already held in America so.... I don't consider TI being held in America, more like held in Seattle, because that's where Valve is located. Not having a major in America would do two great American esports organizations a disservice(RedBull and MLG). In my opinion, it's less about where the majors are and more about what organization would do the best job holding one. ? I bet by ur logic DAC isn't held in china it's held in Shanghai and as such (insert chinese city here) totally deserves another major blah blah blah keep in mind china is the same size as the US land-wise and has around 4x the population Also keep in mind MLG has a miniscule dota pedigree at best and Redbull has done like 2 very small scale dota tournaments ever. You don't get my point. My point is it's not just a tournament, it's a tournament hosted by Valve, which is completely different, even for the upcoming majors. Valve doesn't host the event in Seattle because it's in America or because it's an American tourney, they host it because it's close to where their company is located. Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 01:08 Taters_ wrote:On May 22 2015 00:34 Yergidy wrote:On May 21 2015 23:17 Denia1 wrote:
Majors are all speculation. Honestly I don't think Dota2 can ever compete with LoL in Korea so having an American, European and Chinese major respectively makes the most sense to me, as those are the 3 biggest scenes. Then again, TI is already held in America so.... I don't consider TI being held in America, more like held in Seattle, because that's where Valve is located. Not having a major in America would do two great American esports organizations a disservice(RedBull and MLG). In my opinion, it's less about where the majors are and more about what organization would do the best job holding one. Red Bull isn't American though. No, but every event they have hosted for dota has been located in America.
Well ECL was in China though they were probably mostly a sponsor for that event.
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I wish for the organizers of Majors to only think about running the best possible event for everyone, I’m sure the money is sure to follow.
IMO this is the best quote in the blog. I really hope, as a viewer, to get quality above all other things in the majors to come.
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I'd say it makes far more sense for MLG to organize an NA major but I really doubt there would even be another one in NA seeing as we have TI. I'd imagine 1 China and 2 EU.
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On May 22 2015 01:23 Yergidy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 01:15 Sn0_Man wrote:
Which doesn't somehow make it not an american major unless seattle has seceded from the USA recently.
For all u know dac was in shanghai cuz thats where perfect world is headquartered. That doesn't make it not a chinese tournament. The International is it's own entity, always has been. A place for the best regardless of region, to play. It just happens to be held in the US because of Valve's location and they want it close. If you think DAC was the same as TI, we have bigger issues. You can say from a spectator perspective it's a US tourney based solely on location, but I already stated I don't think majors should be chosen based solely on location.
I had the same impression as you that the Majors would be used as a means of determining who will take part in The International but I double checked Valve's blog and that's not the case.
The Dota Major Championships, starting this Fall, will be an annual series of four marquee tournaments, one being The International. The three additional tournaments will be Valve-sponsored events hosted by third-party organizers at different locations around the world.
In light of this I strongly believe one major is exclusive to Europe and one to CIS. The reason this will happen is due to time zones and the variety of teams is larger. ALso Valve should expect a larger Dota scene to grow in the areas we count as West Asia such as India and United Arab Emirates being lumped into CIS while South Africa can be lumped with EU.
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Poland3752 Posts
Why players don't want to play showmatches? IT's not like they have to try 100% and they play matches in the downtime anyway.
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On May 22 2015 02:07 nimdil wrote:
Why players don't want to play showmatches? IT's not like they have to try 100% and they play matches in the downtime anyway.
For the same reason I don't like watching them.
They aren't games of skill like the East vs West Conferences for Basketball or football.
Instead it's a joke match.
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Well written Envy, you're improving.
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On May 22 2015 02:09 mutantmagnet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 02:07 nimdil wrote:
Why players don't want to play showmatches? IT's not like they have to try 100% and they play matches in the downtime anyway. For the same reason I don't like watching them. They aren't games of skill like the East vs West Conferences for Basketball or football. Instead it's a joke match.
I wish they stopped making jokes of them. It should be a fun game, not spawning fountains in the middle of the map to make it end fast. Not sure how they should make the players and organisers feel it is an important game compared to a pub where they do try hard most of the time. It isn't like they have thousands of spectators that they just mess with...
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If Valve is funding the majors and just choosing an organization to run it, I hope they go with BTS.
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On May 22 2015 03:32 Yurie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 02:09 mutantmagnet wrote:On May 22 2015 02:07 nimdil wrote:
Why players don't want to play showmatches? IT's not like they have to try 100% and they play matches in the downtime anyway. For the same reason I don't like watching them. They aren't games of skill like the East vs West Conferences for Basketball or football. Instead it's a joke match. I wish they stopped making jokes of them. It should be a fun game, not spawning fountains in the middle of the map to make it end fast. Not sure how they should make the players and organisers feel it is an important game compared to a pub where they do try hard most of the time. It isn't like they have thousands of spectators that they just mess with...
Well the other all star games actually pay very well. If there was a prize winnings in Dota all stars they would be more serious as well.
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Poland3752 Posts
On May 22 2015 05:03 mutantmagnet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 03:32 Yurie wrote:On May 22 2015 02:09 mutantmagnet wrote:On May 22 2015 02:07 nimdil wrote:
Why players don't want to play showmatches? IT's not like they have to try 100% and they play matches in the downtime anyway. For the same reason I don't like watching them. They aren't games of skill like the East vs West Conferences for Basketball or football. Instead it's a joke match. I wish they stopped making jokes of them. It should be a fun game, not spawning fountains in the middle of the map to make it end fast. Not sure how they should make the players and organisers feel it is an important game compared to a pub where they do try hard most of the time. It isn't like they have thousands of spectators that they just mess with... Well the other all star games actually pay very well. If there was a prize winnings in Dota all stars they would be more serious as well.
So dota 2 players can't care about a game to a degree they care about training match of its called show match and is not loaded with cash? If that's the case I wonder if "thanks for cheering for me" is sincere because show matches are for fans and if you don't give a shit about them...
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What exactly was the complaint about TS2 all-star match? There was money. Are you saying skill wasn't involved because it was ARDM? Or just it wasn't vanilla dota so it doesn't count? Don't tell me the players didn't try.
And yeah, sometimes as a professional whose entire fucking career requires fans you DO STUFF FOR THE FANS.
I understand EE not liking ARDM. But I don't care.
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Thanks for sharing your thoughts EE
(I've always been able to interpret your blogs, don't ya worry)
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On May 22 2015 05:38 FHDH wrote:
What exactly was the complaint about TS2 all-star match? There was money. Are you saying skill wasn't involved because it was ARDM? Or just it wasn't vanilla dota so it doesn't count? Don't tell me the players didn't try.
And yeah, sometimes as a professional whose entire fucking career requires fans you DO STUFF FOR THE FANS.
I understand EE not liking ARDM. But I don't care.
words of wisdom.
I think ARDM was an excellent choice for such a thing.
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