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On May 21 2015 14:39 Whiplash wrote:
Dota pretty much flopped in Korea. I think they may have an upcoming tournament but its not on the same level as the old NEXON tournaments... it is unfortunate but it would be cool to have them host a major, although I don't believe the Korean scene deserves a major because of how small it is.
Unless they cannot get enough live fans for it I think holding SEA in Korea is sensible. They have excellent esports infrastructure and if they don't like seeing their Korean teams getting their faces smashed by Malaysia et al they can step their game up. There's little doubt that even though the ROK Dota2 scene is currently very lackluster, hosting a major there would give it a boost.
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If nexon was to host a major i doubt that bts-redbull will host another, since that would leave euro with no major whatsoever, and i think thats highly unlikely.
That being said as a tournament organizer for Europe ESL is the the only one that has the money, manpower and experience to host it. The alternatives organisers would be either Dreamhack (unlikely because during summer DH theres TI and winter DH DAC) or SlavLadder; and after all the complains and the increasingly number of tier 1 teams saying they wouldnt come back to it because of various problems and the lack of experience in hosting large scale events thats unlikely as well.
If nexon doesnt get a major spot and NA gets 2 then probably bts-redbull might get it over MLG.
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It makes zero sense to give NA two. NA has TI. Out of four, that is plenty. Europe definitely should have one, China should definitely have one, and then what? Can you justify giving a second to any three of those over the other?
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On May 21 2015 14:39 Whiplash wrote:
Dota pretty much flopped in Korea. I think they may have an upcoming tournament but its not on the same level as the old NEXON tournaments... it is unfortunate but it would be cool to have them host a major, although I don't believe the Korean scene deserves a major because of how small it is.
Oh snap, Whiplash. My sympathies for what happened to you in Korea, you really got shafted after being the only good English caster.
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I would fucking love the Red Bull + BeyondtheSummit teamup major. Thanks for the post, Envy! I think the entire DotA community learns something very important about the pro scene whenever you post. The insight into the conditions and lives of our idols really adds some poignancy to watching pro Doto :D
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On May 21 2015 15:04 FHDH wrote:
It makes zero sense to give NA two. NA has TI. Out of four, that is plenty. Europe definitely should have one, China should definitely have one, and then what? Can you justify giving a second to any three of those over the other?
Well we could have three "core" majors. TI (US), Europe, China. And then a forth that is rotating through the world. South America, Phillipenes, maybe even Australia, ... would be fun!
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On May 21 2015 15:04 FHDH wrote:
It makes zero sense to give NA two. NA has TI. Out of four, that is plenty. Europe definitely should have one, China should definitely have one, and then what? Can you justify giving a second to any three of those over the other?
Last I checked Red Bull is a global brand and BTS has casted tourny's in multiple continents. What assumption are you under that if they provided a coordinated effort between the two it can only be held in NA?
Now playing devils advocate on it, considering how fast TI sells out gives little opportunity for people in NA to go. NA may need a separate large tourny to make up for the inaccessibility of TI to NA. Personally I would love one at Staples Center where LoL plays (and being near BTS)
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On May 21 2015 15:54 Geisterkarle wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2015 15:04 FHDH wrote:
It makes zero sense to give NA two. NA has TI. Out of four, that is plenty. Europe definitely should have one, China should definitely have one, and then what? Can you justify giving a second to any three of those over the other? Well we could have three "core" majors. TI (US), Europe, China. And then a forth that is rotating through the world. South America, Phillipenes, maybe even Australia, ... would be fun!
the fourth region is generally considered to be SEA, I don't know why NA would count as a major region and SEA wouldn't
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On May 21 2015 15:54 Geisterkarle wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2015 15:04 FHDH wrote:
It makes zero sense to give NA two. NA has TI. Out of four, that is plenty. Europe definitely should have one, China should definitely have one, and then what? Can you justify giving a second to any three of those over the other? Well we could have three "core" majors. TI (US), Europe, China. And then a forth that is rotating through the world. South America, Phillipenes, maybe even Australia, ... would be fun!
Yeah, this I can get behind, although I'm not sure how good it is for promoting the game in regions vs. having one that is steady in a targeted region.
On May 21 2015 15:55 enlight10ment wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2015 15:04 FHDH wrote:
It makes zero sense to give NA two. NA has TI. Out of four, that is plenty. Europe definitely should have one, China should definitely have one, and then what? Can you justify giving a second to any three of those over the other? Last I checked Red Bull is a global brand and BTS has casted tourny's in multiple continents. What assumption are you under that if they provided a coordinated effort between the two it can only be held in NA? Now playing devils advocate on it, considering how fast TI sells out gives little opportunity for people in NA to go. NA may need a separate large tourny to make up for the inaccessibility of TI to NA. Personally I would love one at Staples Center where LoL plays (and being near BTS)
I was responding to the idea of them doing an NA tournament, nothing more.
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Northern Ireland22208 Posts
never stop posting these pls
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Russian Federation3329 Posts
I feel like EE nitpicks too much so I just gloss over his petty complaints nowadays. Good to know/cool story bro type blogs because they've been too frequent. But yeah still good to hear the feedback and glad to hear that the past two tournaments were decently organized after the fiascos that were the asian tournaments late 2014 - early 2015
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Yeah there's no way Nexon gets a major, there's like 10 dota players in korea and the best "korean" team is a bunch of pinoys lol, the rest of korea play league of legends for some reason. So while they can make bigass events in Korea Nexon shouldn't get it.
I think ESL, PerfectWorld, TI + something. MLG would have to host on twitch for it to be a major their player doesn't get as much exposure. I like the Redbull + summit idea but I think Redbull likes doing their own thing, dreamhack is never good enough + the lan is loud and obnoxious so doubt they will be one, starladders have had too many problems so I actually have no idea who would get the 4th major.
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On May 21 2015 16:51 Kentakky wrote:
I think ESL, PerfectWorld, TI + something.
Pretty much this. I really don't know who gets the fourth either.
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Heh, I guessed correctly that Envy wrote that blog after reading the title 
Maybe it's retarded question but why can't you buy your own soundproof headset?
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"Also if I hurt your feelings in this blog, I don’t give a fuck." ... I stopped reading there. Sorry, Envy. This kind of attitude is what makes our world so darn stupid. And it sums up your writing pretty well... . =( But ... you don't give a fuck, so why do I bother? Sad.
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On May 21 2015 16:58 Gotard wrote:Heh, I guessed correctly that Envy wrote that blog after reading the title Maybe it's retarded question but why can't you buy your own soundproof headset?
There are competitive advantages to being able to hear. I'm glad he wrote about this part in particular, I was wondering how well those headsets work and I agree, using something like that is WAAAAAAAAAAY better than booths for a live event and I hope it becomes the standard.
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On May 21 2015 17:00 FHDH wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2015 16:58 Gotard wrote:Heh, I guessed correctly that Envy wrote that blog after reading the title Maybe it's retarded question but why can't you buy your own soundproof headset? There are competitive advantages to being able to hear. I'm glad he wrote about this part in particular, I was wondering how well those headsets work and I agree, using something like that is WAAAAAAAAAAY better than booths for a live event and I hope it becomes the standard.
Im guessing at a normal LAN youd still need the booths + headsets. Having no crowd, and everyone listen if you needed to ask them to quiet down helped make this much more efficient in my mind. Not saying it isn't efficient out the gate... but Im pretty sure we discussed plenty of times actual sound proofing(100%) whether by booth or headset is damn near impossible.
Also, Envy making sense = less rage? Makes sense to me too. Good work BTS, and I actually don't believe that any other tournament doesn't try to make these things happen. The biggest difference with BTS, is I'm positive at the gate the ENTIRE tournament staff etc are involved to that extent. This isn't always the case elsewhere, so you end up with people trying to make the best of what they got. Not making excuses here, it's what happens. Post's like this, simply explain how to make that happen, before you even run into human error issues from my point of view. Most of what was discussed as better was addressed in advance. Also, I'm sure too RedBull will step it up, going as far as they did shows they're intentions. When you don't know though, you don't know.
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Wow, way better writing than older blogs and way better reasoning as well. I think i can get behind nearly everything envy said this time, just the Holymaster and the 'chairs without armrest' (i prefer my chair without armrest anyway :d) thing seems like nitpicking a bit to much.
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On May 21 2015 17:11 DE3me wrote:
Wow, way better writing than older blogs and way better reasoning as well. I think i can get behind nearly everything envy said this time, just the Holymaster and the 'chairs without armrest' (i prefer my chair without armrest anyway :d) thing seems like nitpicking a bit to much. Is it though? This goes with the standardization thing we've been discussing, be it the monitors used at TI compared to other tournaments etc. A lot of players didn't realize how big those TI monitors were until the BTS house this weekend, and some are going to adjust they're home setups for it. I get what you mean, and it comes off always negatively as all bad things have in the past.
But make no mistake, if you take 3 lbs of pressure out of a football, it changes the game, and them guys have to lose cash out of pocket for it. Granted in DotA, these teams are competing for a prize, however losing that prize which you never had to unfair or unusual playing standards is REALLY what makes 90% of the whining and complaining in the first place. Ballgate is serious shit, and as a watcher of SPORTS, this is serious to me until they players are all satisfied(or can come to an agreement, legally, or just professionally with the scene) that we need to replicate the same conditions everytime, as often as possible. BTS might not have had the racer practice chairs, just like the computers, I hope they invest(Or find an investor). I know if I went to lane as a storm spirit, and my tangos cost me 400 gold this one game, rather the 125, Id be calling w33fresh advantages for days... A similar example, is games that usually port between PC and Console. They normally have to make actual gameplay balance adjustments, because the games played differently between a keyboard or controller.
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On May 21 2015 17:08 Townkill wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2015 17:00 FHDH wrote:On May 21 2015 16:58 Gotard wrote:Heh, I guessed correctly that Envy wrote that blog after reading the title Maybe it's retarded question but why can't you buy your own soundproof headset? There are competitive advantages to being able to hear. I'm glad he wrote about this part in particular, I was wondering how well those headsets work and I agree, using something like that is WAAAAAAAAAAY better than booths for a live event and I hope it becomes the standard. Im guessing at a normal LAN youd still need the booths + headsets. Having no crowd, and everyone listen if you needed to ask them to quiet down helped make this much more efficient in my mind. Not saying it isn't efficient out the gate... but Im pretty sure we discussed plenty of times actual sound proofing(100%) whether by booth or headset is damn near impossible. Also, Envy making sense = less rage? Makes sense to me too. Good work BTS, and I actually don't believe that any other tournament doesn't try to make these things happen. The biggest difference with BTS, is I'm positive at the gate the ENTIRE tournament staff etc are involved to that extent. This isn't always the case elsewhere, so you end up with people trying to make the best of what they got. Not making excuses here, it's what happens. Post's like this, simply explain how to make that happen, before you even run into human error issues from my point of view. Most of what was discussed as better was addressed in advance. Also, I'm sure too RedBull will step it up, going as far as they did shows they're intentions. When you don't know though, you don't know.
I think you are confused. I was at the LAN finals. It was VERY FUCKING LOUD. There were no booths at the LAN finals.
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