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Shandathe
7 Posts
Anyway, TB's original points are well made. BO5 Proleague format is probably the best choice overall (voted BO7, but as was pointed out that's not exactly realistic). All Kill is fun to see for a round in Proleague every now and then to let the stars (and occasional surprise) show off, but it doesn't seem like a healthy foundation for a team competition. I suppose it's up to Acer in the end, anyway. | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On July 10 2014 09:34 Capped wrote: Trust you to use that as a reason to be a complete prick and belittle people suffering from the disease, including yourself. IDK, i keep looking at this comment and thinking its harsh but you really shouldn't use something like cancer as an excuse like that. Asked if I'm on a short fuse lately. Explains why Accused of being a complete prick and belittling cancer patients, all while being belittled as a cancer patient. You are something special, I'll tell ya that much. Adds fuel to my opinion that a segment of the community claims they want transparency but only when that transparency is agreeable to them. You can't have it both ways, either you want someone who is honest all the time or you want someone willing to lie to you. Choose. Anyone that thinks I am attacking TaKe here is out of their mind. TaKe as you can see clearly responded to the feedback and the discussion. This is valuable information for anyone tournament organizer, this is the kind of info and discussion they need. I want TaKes tournament to be successful, I feel it would be more so with a different format, simple as that. | ||
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Holytornados
United States1022 Posts
I used to be a fan of All-kill exclusively, but as of late, it seems that teams are following the "star + support squad" mentality that really is not conducive to high-quality matches. Would like to see a Bo5 PL format with ace for a potential season 4. That being said, the games today were pretty entertaining, if you consider the fact that Sjaak is an up-and-coming new talent who just asserted himself into the limelight and proved he was worth the acquisition from Mouz. I think he has potential to break into WCS for sure when he comes of age. That being said, I feel bad for the Axiom boys. I guess that the internet connection probably had some play into the games? Regardless, good games from Sjaak and Ryung today. | ||
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EJK
United States1302 Posts
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Crot4le
England2927 Posts
On July 10 2014 09:31 TaKeSeN wrote:But i am actually also a fan of trying to make it "more a teamleague" Does this mean we can have the proleague format?!!! | ||
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metzninja
New Zealand626 Posts
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Chizeron
Sweden15 Posts
I tend to support the proleague format for team leagues though. The less one person can carry, the more entertaining the tournament becomes as a team effort. And seriously even if Tb fired off a bit of banter ahead of the game, he totally stuffed his face in humble pie in his post. More than enough to absolve him in my honest opinion Can you really complain when someone who cares so much and is both passionate and honest, all while still having the personal insight, humility and grace to apologize in case he slighted someone. And doing so both eloquently and with phrasing and punctuation up to the snuffest of snuff. My top hat of to Tb in this case. And to mystery while speaking of salt. Salt is good, i'ts a necessity even, but when you overdo it with potshots one will more likely get the feel that Tb at one point stole your candy than you having a reasonable complaint against any one statement or opinion. A slight bit of subtlety (read: only a pinch of salt) would help your cause. (This is me not being subtle providing an anti-reference  )Lastly i look forward to Axioms next showing to see them claw themselves back into team-league limelight! | ||
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TinkeR_
France7 Posts
A BO5 of BO3s, 4x1v1 + 1x2v2 (or 5x1v1 whatever) like: Acer vs Millenium INnoVation vs ForGG (BO3) Scarlett vs Dayshi (BO3) Nerchio vs VortiX (BO3) MMA vs MarineLorD (BO3) MMA & Scarlett vs Dayshi & VortiX (BO3) This way, managers would be able to prepare tactics, which players to pick, etc. It would not rely on some randomness, luck (BO3), etc. I'd love to see this again. | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
On July 10 2014 11:39 Crot4le wrote: Does this mean we can have the proleague format?!!! Perhaps full-on 4v4. | ||
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Enstein
Russian Federation134 Posts
Personally my favourite format for team leagues was the one used by ESL Euro series: "Teams face each other in five 1v1 best-of-three match-ups" (with the possibility for the ace player to play twice". I feel that this format is less volatile than Proleague, favours teams with reasonably deep rosters and gives an edge (but not a huge one) to the teams with star players. The cons? With a potential maximum of 15 games (minimum 6) it could take longer to play and broadcast. The solution would be to have just four best-of-three matches (maximum 12 games, minimum 6) during the regular season with the possiblity of having a draw and sharing points between teams. The only thing the ESL Euro series lacked was a good coverage, but it was exciting to watch. What do you think? | ||
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Acer.ParanOid
Poland133 Posts
On July 10 2014 07:51 qxc wrote: I always felt like atc had the revival rule because acer had a relatively shallow lineup for a long time (with 1-2 extremely strong players) and so revives (especially the 3 revive season) helped them perform better. The rules make a lot of sense when I consider them in this way, regardless of if I agree or not. Team Acer had nothing to do with the rules. | ||
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Nerchio
Poland2633 Posts
On July 10 2014 07:51 qxc wrote: I always felt like atc had the revival rule because acer had a relatively shallow lineup for a long time (with 1-2 extremely strong players) and so revives (especially the 3 revive season) helped them perform better. lol | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
On July 10 2014 07:03 TotalBiscuit wrote: In my experience this is not true online. Kappa was probably the best thing the internet ever came up with, finally a universally accepted way of saying "the preceding sentence is not serious". Then Teamliquid banned it, like the fascists they are... I'd prefer to take that sentence as irony, but since I'm not sure about that regarding its first part, I'm glad to help: Here's an example where humor was expressed without using a twitch meme: ";-)" ":-D" "lol, kidding" Also, IMO "kappa" and other twitch chat stuff is just plain stupid, but I think we can agree to disagree here? Edit: regarding your format thoughts, I agree though. Especially the revive rule takes away a lot of tension. Regarding Take's thoughts on budget and stuff: the ATC is pretty much the one teamleague besides proleague left. If that does not continue, it'll be hard for another teamleague to establish itself as a constant thing in the scene. On the other hand, maybe teamleagues in general are not supposed to be a big thing since SC2 has always been a 1on1 heavy thing, resulting in a "player > team" mentality? "Flash carrying KT Rolster" might be a good example, it was so hard for Zest to establish himself. Also, TY. | ||
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eightym
United States76 Posts
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
On July 10 2014 11:39 Crot4le wrote: Does this mean we can have the proleague format?!!! It means that he is fighting hard to get a budget for another ATC. | ||
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ninazerg
United States7291 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Just kidding :D ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/EdJq011.png) Losing sucks, so the best of luck to you in the future. | ||
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SatedSC2
England3012 Posts
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astrionic
Switzerland7 Posts
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Kasaraki
Denmark7115 Posts
As for format, I've grown to like Proleague format more in recent times. All-kill feels dated and streaky, and doesn't showcase a team as much as Proleague format does. You get to know all the teamplayers over time, and the non-ace players get a chance to improve a lot. | ||
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Heartland
Sweden24593 Posts
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