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MaxiTB
Profile Joined June 2011
Austria34 Posts
July 09 2014 22:12 GMT
#21
On July 10 2014 07:03 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2014 06:58 KadaverBB wrote:
To be fair, it is possible to express humor/sarcasm without using twitch memes :D



In my experience this is not true online. Kappa was probably the best thing the internet ever came up with, finally a universally accepted way of saying "the preceding sentence is not serious".

Then Teamliquid banned it, like the fascists they are...


Careful now, most mods don't like it getting compared to Stalin or Hitler.

There are still enough other emotes for sarcasm, sadly they are so misused/misunderstand since the old BBS days, nobody notice them anymore.
From the Shadows I come, to cumulative stats I go (http://shoutcraft.maxisoft.org)
MysterySC
Profile Joined October 2012
Andorra109 Posts
July 09 2014 22:15 GMT
#22
... buy a bunch of koreans, get carried in GSTL by Inno, dis a 16 year old. Then lose to the 16 year old then complain about the format. Common i'm just waiting for the complaint that reddit is hoarding in on your profits.
<3 Hyvaa
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
July 09 2014 22:15 GMT
#23
On July 10 2014 07:03 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2014 06:58 KadaverBB wrote:
To be fair, it is possible to express humor/sarcasm without using twitch memes :D



In my experience this is not true online. Kappa was probably the best thing the internet ever came up with, finally a universally accepted way of saying "the preceding sentence is not serious".

Then Teamliquid banned it, like the fascists they are...


I wish I were German, then I'd have an excuse
AdministratorYOU MUST HEED MY INSTRUCTIONS TAKE OFF YOUR THIIIINGS
CrumpetMan
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5 Posts
July 09 2014 22:17 GMT
#24
As per usual, I agree with most everything you say TB. Proleague format would be cool to see in foreign team tournaments, though the one thing that comes to mind is the interview with Coach Park about EG-TL. I remember him saying that they really didn't want to practice in a way that would lead to success in proleague (admittedly in the way that Coach Park wanted to do things), but I think the sentiment might speak to the general feeling of foreign team tournaments. The players might not want to practice specific builds for a specific map against a specific opponent when they could rather practice for their individual results, as many of the Korean players joined foreign teams to go to more foreign tournaments. Again, I don't know the players and teams well enough to know how this would all go down in reality, but I think it's something to consider.

Then again, if a team doesn't prepare for the proleague format, then they deserve to lose anyways.
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-09 22:21:19
July 09 2014 22:18 GMT
#25
On July 10 2014 07:15 MysterySC wrote:
... buy a bunch of koreans, get carried in GSTL by Inno, dis a 16 year old. Then lose to the 16 year old then complain about the format. Common i'm just waiting for the complaint that reddit is hoarding in on your profits.


You can come back to me when you've spent six figures making sure a group of players who were by no means top koreans when we hired them, have a roof over there heads and fair salaries for the past two years. As for who carried who, I don't recall Innovations contributions giving us a 4:0 result in the proleague stage, but I'd sure you would know more about teamleagues than I do.

Your spiteful words unfortunately have no value, monetary or otherwise. Take your worthless attitude elsewhere and find another scene to poison.
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
nam nam
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden4672 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-09 22:21:00
July 09 2014 22:20 GMT
#26
On July 10 2014 07:15 MysterySC wrote:
... buy a bunch of koreans, get carried in GSTL by Inno, dis a 16 year old. Then lose to the 16 year old then complain about the format. Common i'm just waiting for the complaint that reddit is hoarding in on your profits.


He's always said he prefer a different format, that's not a reaction to losing. Also it's not like he "bought" a bunch of high profile players for ez bucks...
Spect8rCraft
Profile Joined December 2012
649 Posts
July 09 2014 22:24 GMT
#27
Have you any thoughts about handing the reins of Clan Wars to someone else for the moment? It's a very nifty series that provides good coverage of players while also being a nice testing ground for different and innovative maps.
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
July 09 2014 22:24 GMT
#28
On July 10 2014 07:24 Spect8rCraft wrote:
Have you any thoughts about handing the reins of Clan Wars to someone else for the moment? It's a very nifty series that provides good coverage of players while also being a nice testing ground for different and innovative maps.


Nobody else really has the contacts to make it work at the moment.
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
Yhamm
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
France7248 Posts
July 09 2014 22:25 GMT
#29
When I see some teams who have difficulties to have players present, I have the feeling it would be even more difficult if ATC used PL format.

I think the best would be a mix like GSTL (1 round AK, 1 round PL) or this weird format with 3 maps PL and the rest AK (but same players can't play both)

ATC absolutely needs to get rid of the revive if they stick to the AK format
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MysterySC
Profile Joined October 2012
Andorra109 Posts
July 09 2014 22:26 GMT
#30
Such salt, i'm not poison... I'm a young adult formerly very into SC but now working to much to really play or watch that much (because I also make 6 figures...) I was just bothered by you not only dissing the format of a tournament after you lost, but diminishing a 16 year olds impressive victory after calling him a free win. I wouldn't have even commented on that but you really feel insecure enough you make a poll so people can vote to diminish the kid... come on your a well known youtube star who will get more views than him even if he beat your team 5 times over. Let the kid have his day in the sun.
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada18041 Posts
July 09 2014 22:30 GMT
#31
On July 10 2014 07:18 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2014 07:15 MysterySC wrote:
... buy a bunch of koreans, get carried in GSTL by Inno, dis a 16 year old. Then lose to the 16 year old then complain about the format. Common i'm just waiting for the complaint that reddit is hoarding in on your profits.


You can come back to me when you've spent six figures making sure a group of players who were by no means top koreans when we hired them, have a roof over there heads and fair salaries for the past two years. As for who carried who, I don't recall Innovations contributions giving us a 4:0 result in the proleague stage, but I'd sure you would know more about teamleagues than I do.

Your spiteful words unfortunately have no value, monetary or otherwise. Take your worthless attitude elsewhere and find another scene to poison.


could it be that this post is meant in the same spirit of humour as your comment about sjaak being a freewin for your team?
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KadaverBB
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany25658 Posts
July 09 2014 22:30 GMT
#32
On July 10 2014 07:03 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2014 06:58 KadaverBB wrote:
To be fair, it is possible to express humor/sarcasm without using twitch memes :D



In my experience this is not true online. Kappa was probably the best thing the internet ever came up with, finally a universally accepted way of saying "the preceding sentence is not serious".

Then Teamliquid banned it, like the fascists they are...


It really doesn't take much to get you going these days -.-
AdministratorLaws change depending on who's making them, but justice is justice
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-09 22:33:02
July 09 2014 22:31 GMT
#33
On July 10 2014 07:26 MysterySC wrote:
Such salt, i'm not poison... I'm a young adult formerly very into SC but now working to much to really play or watch that much (because I also make 6 figures...) I was just bothered by you not only dissing the format of a tournament after you lost, but diminishing a 16 year olds impressive victory after calling him a free win. I wouldn't have even commented on that but you really feel insecure enough you make a poll so people can vote to diminish the kid... come on your a well known youtube star who will get more views than him even if he beat your team 5 times over. Let the kid have his day in the sun.


You didn't even read the post did you? Or are 3 paragraphs of apologies not enough for you? I'm sorry that my contributions to the scene are somehow not up to your standards and that you feel you have the right to shit on our teams past accomplishments, have the nerve to call them "a bunch of Koreans" as if they're just faceless commodoties to acquire and not at this point both friends and family and then the audacity to call me salty in response.

People like you we would be infinitely better off without.

It really doesn't take much to get you going these days -.-


Turns out cancer treatment does that to a person, who knew.

could it be that this post is meant in the same spirit of humour as your comment about sjaak being a freewin for your team?


Then I expect 3 paragraphs worth of apology from him momentarily. Oh no wait never mind, he posted yet another shitty post, who would have expected that?
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
Cokefreak
Profile Joined June 2011
Finland8096 Posts
July 09 2014 22:33 GMT
#34
On July 10 2014 07:30 KadaverBB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2014 07:03 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On July 10 2014 06:58 KadaverBB wrote:
To be fair, it is possible to express humor/sarcasm without using twitch memes :D



In my experience this is not true online. Kappa was probably the best thing the internet ever came up with, finally a universally accepted way of saying "the preceding sentence is not serious".

Then Teamliquid banned it, like the fascists they are...


It really doesn't take much to get you going these days -.-

Personally I am surprised it even got actioned, I just skipped reporting it because I was certain it wouldn't get actioned anyways
blacksheepwall
Profile Joined June 2011
China1530 Posts
July 09 2014 22:33 GMT
#35
This is a great post, TB.

Don't think you owed any explanation after your earlier remarks (people get a bit too worked up over over-the-cuff remarks I think). That being said, it was great to read your thoughts explained clearly and logically and I agree with nearly everything in your post.

You shouldn't have to worry about Internet trolls. All you should have to worry about is getting better, but thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts with the community.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ // </3 Taeja
blacksheepwall
Profile Joined June 2011
China1530 Posts
July 09 2014 22:36 GMT
#36
On July 10 2014 07:20 nam nam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2014 07:15 MysterySC wrote:
... buy a bunch of koreans, get carried in GSTL by Inno, dis a 16 year old. Then lose to the 16 year old then complain about the format. Common i'm just waiting for the complaint that reddit is hoarding in on your profits.


He's always said he prefer a different format, that's not a reaction to losing. Also it's not like he "bought" a bunch of high profile players for ez bucks...


Seriously, this is the exact opposite of what Axiom was founded to do. It was created to provide better conditions for certain players that were getting paid next-to-nothing or nothing at all with other teams. When Axiom was founded it was basically a team of outcasts, but it turns out their system and a supportive environment actually seem to help players develop.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ // </3 Taeja
stealthrider
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
24 Posts
July 09 2014 22:37 GMT
#37
This is exactly why I stopped watching the ATC. It's become more like the NBA: it masquerades as a team league, when in reality it's pitting one star player against another with a supporting cast that, while it sometimes gets a chance at the spotlight, is usually relegated to watching and passing the ball.

The worst part about the format isn't even the boring 1v1-ness. The worst part is that these teams have a lot of good-but-not-famous players that aren't getting the spotlight they need to gather fanbases and improve their skills against evenly-matched opponents. They aren't getting the chance to *become* the next Innovation; they just become another footnote in his rampage (insert any "star" player in place of Innovation for the same effect; not a dis to the person just the "star' idea).

Meanwhile, in a league like Clan Wars or the late GSTL, a lot of players are given that chance. Personally, as a 'casual' SC2 fan I never would have known about Balloon, for example, if I hadn't seen him play in Clan Wars. Now I watch his stream regularly. Whenever I tuned in to ATC, however, I'd only see the same few players competing. It just wasn't fun.

Perhaps this is why I enjoyed WCS America so much this past week, and found myself rooting for Pigbaby the whole way through. It's fun to watch new and talented players compete against the "old guard," and ATC just didn't have enough of that for my tastes.
Spect8rCraft
Profile Joined December 2012
649 Posts
July 09 2014 22:44 GMT
#38
I think it's good to have an all-kill format in the midst of other types of formats. However, with ATC being effectively the only teamleague outside of Proleague (at least, of similar caliber), I feel like the all-kill format is stifling non-streaky players from being able to show enough prospective behavior. All-kills seem like a good place for a developed player to try their luck and make a show of it; not so much for fostering talent if every time a newbie comes up they just get smacked down by the big shot.

Proleague format seems better to promoting diverse opponents to play against, as well as more strategic management for the team. Heaven knows we need the infrastructure to properly sustain the pro scene.
MysterySC
Profile Joined October 2012
Andorra109 Posts
July 09 2014 22:45 GMT
#39
I did read the post... can we agree that basic literacy is a given here... lol ? I really respect your post, if you lurk my comments a few years ago i mentioned something roughly saying that although i was never a huge fan of your casting, the fact that you picked up a bunch of ex slayers players was really classy and good for the scene. My fundamental problem today is that your creating a story about yourself here when the big deal should be a 16 year old relatively unknown foreigner taking down an all korean team. Also... as a very influential person in the community maybe try and ratchet down the personal attacks, something my parents taught me at a young age, and something that most adults really try and uphold when they are a public influential voice to a younger generation. One of my best friends and roommate in undergrad was Korean... basically everybody in the community calls koreans, koreans due to the SC skill implications not due to some kind of weird racist agenda. (why did i just have to explain that?)
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qxc
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States550 Posts
July 09 2014 22:51 GMT
#40
I always felt like atc had the revival rule because acer had a relatively shallow lineup for a long time (with 1-2 extremely strong players) and so revives (especially the 3 revive season) helped them perform better.

The rules make a lot of sense when I consider them in this way, regardless of if I agree or not.
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