EPTIf you're bad in lane, you should probably learn to lane instead of using jungle as a crutch. But in any given game, I'd much rather have a jungler than a laner who lanes bad.
Why do pubs fetishize jungling? - Page 2
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Severedevil
United States4839 Posts
If you're bad in lane, you should probably learn to lane instead of using jungle as a crutch. But in any given game, I'd much rather have a jungler than a laner who lanes bad. | ||
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Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
Also, jungling is so relaxing | ||
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Buckyman
1364 Posts
Step 2: Say "I will jungle!" in chat a bunch to make sure your team knows not to pick another jungler Step 3: Use pullthroughs as your main jungling technique Step 4: 'Gank' the safelane frequently It's like being a support except you've tricked your team into not having a dedicated jungler. | ||
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ahw
Canada1099 Posts
On June 11 2014 07:12 Sbrubbles wrote: Sounds like a good opportunity to farm with your support hero. Rush blink, get kills, etc. Also, jungling is so relaxing Jungling shouldnt be relaxing. You should be feeling extremely anxious and guilty for willfully putting your team behind in the laning phase. You should be INCREDIBLY UNHAPPY. only semi srs. | ||
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BlindKill
Australia1508 Posts
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Yurie
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On June 11 2014 12:00 BlindKill wrote: I cry everytime my teammate dies to neutral creep That is part of optimal jungling on several heroes with mana problems such as Lycan. I've even considered doing it on Enigma if forced to buy too many support items. For the advice of picking jungler late. That is good advice. Except on Enigma, since you can fake it and just go off lane if needed. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
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nojok
France15846 Posts
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Velr
Switzerland10921 Posts
Enigma, Chen and Enchantress (+ probably SK but normally not from lvl 1 on). Why should you jungle anyway? (Depends extremly on your luck with mates/mmr) Often the choice is between having two supports that can't zone the solo offlane for shit stealing XP from your carry while singlepulling to assure your opponent maximum XP or you running an offensive trilane that will likely fail... Having a (carry) jungler is better than having a pointless trilane. | ||
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ahw
Canada1099 Posts
picks: bane (me), spec, batrdier, pudge. Ok good. Last pick jungle doom. Spec and bane get a dual lane against nyx/firebird. spec cant farm. we lose safe lane. game drags on but spec not enough farm. we lose game. don't pick jungle heroes in solo q | ||
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Severedevil
United States4839 Posts
On June 12 2014 03:08 ahw wrote: classic pub game: picks: bane (me), spec, batrdier, pudge. Ok good. Last pick jungle doom. Spec and bane get a dual lane against nyx/firebird. spec cant farm. we lose safe lane. game drags on but spec not enough farm. we lose game. don't pick jungle heroes in solo q Weak lanes + jungle core --> extreme vulnerability to aggressive play. No argument there. But if you have a strong 1-1-2, putting your fifth as a dedicated jungler is one way to capitalize and turn that early strength into an XP/gold lead. It's an alternative to playing aggressively yourself. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On June 12 2014 03:08 ahw wrote: classic pub game: picks: bane (me), spec, batrdier, pudge. Ok good. Last pick jungle doom. Spec and bane get a dual lane against nyx/firebird. spec cant farm. we lose safe lane. game drags on but spec not enough farm. we lose game. don't pick jungle heroes in solo q Doesn't actually sound that bad...just do a lot of pulls as Bane, expect Spectre to get shutdown early. Then make a shit-ton of space mid-game with some ridiculous gank power, and Spectre can even get assist gold with Ulti. | ||
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ahw
Canada1099 Posts
On June 12 2014 05:30 WolfintheSheep wrote: Doesn't actually sound that bad...just do a lot of pulls as Bane, expect Spectre to get shutdown early. Then make a shit-ton of space mid-game with some ridiculous gank power, and Spectre can even get assist gold with Ulti. we were radiant, and they bullied me out of the jungle so i couldn't spot their ward blocking the pull. i was solo support so i couldn't afford sents, obs, courier, and regen. spec laning against nyx/phoenix eats thru all our regen in a few waves, had to crow + ferry more regen. having a solo support in a game like this has more impact than people think in comparison, our offlaner got shut down properly, and their safe lane farmer naix was huge. mid was a wash. jungle doom got a quick midas so we lost hard in the midgame with an underleveled offlaner, a jungler with no items, and a broke spectre. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On June 12 2014 05:30 WolfintheSheep wrote: Doesn't actually sound that bad...just do a lot of pulls as Bane, expect Spectre to get shutdown early. Then make a shit-ton of space mid-game with some ridiculous gank power, and Spectre can even get assist gold with Ulti. Bane can't control the pull vs. Phoenix+Nyx and the lane doesn't have enough damage for Doom to gank for until people are level 3+. Really the problem with jungle Doom in particular is that if your safe lane doesn't have control, then by extension you can't farm either if the enemy tries to extend their pressure into the jungle, so it effectively becomes 2 heroes shutting down 3. By comparison, Chen or Enchantress are much harder to threaten this way because most heroes can't haphazardly fight Enchanted/Persuaded creeps at low levels, so even if they can control your safe lane, they can't bully you out of the jungle as well. | ||
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SpeaKEaSY
United States1070 Posts
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bakesale
United States187 Posts
On June 10 2014 10:42 Acritter wrote:Seriously, if you've ever hit the point of hating DOTA2 with all your heart, just abandon the game you're in, get into LPQ, and cliff jungle as NP. You get to play the game without actually playing it. Stand at the top of that cliff and banter with both teams in the hands-free, mind-free experience. Or just do the same thing in a co-op bot game. | ||
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garlicface
Canada4196 Posts
On June 11 2014 07:12 Sbrubbles wrote: Sounds like a good opportunity to farm with your support hero. Rush blink, get kills, etc. Also, jungling is so relaxing Took the words out of my mouth. Going woods is so relaxing. Ench, Chen, Furion, you name it. It doesn't matter who I take, I'm gonna have a nice time. | ||
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Treemonkeys
United States2082 Posts
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Defessus
United States164 Posts
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