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NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
February 16 2014 01:22 GMT
#121
Awesome blog, Jinro
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RoninColt
Profile Joined March 2013
United States18 Posts
February 16 2014 01:47 GMT
#122
On February 16 2014 04:30 hellokittySC2 wrote:
i agree with you almost 100% on this, however, you're focusing very much on Europe while America is probably where most of the "balance/dead game" whiners are located.

Though that's not really the point. Most people just hops on a bandwagon train and circle jerk each other off as 99% of them who writes these reddit and tl posts aren't even past master level of game play. They are once again, very influential once Banded together rather than a single entity.

This is what you should focus on rather than reading reddit threads of kids who haven't past their puberty trying to drop some BIG knowledge bombs on how the game works when they never play it in the first place.




Yes, because everyone below Masters are just not relevant (There are people that can play for years and will never reach this level)..... This is probably one of the biggest problems with the game being able to grow. It shouldn't be more important to only cater to the "pros" nor should it cater to only the causal players but there should be some sort of middle ground.

If casual players can't relate to the pro players or the game because it's to difficult to play, they sure in the hell aren't going to watch it..
monsta
Profile Joined November 2012
172 Posts
February 16 2014 01:52 GMT
#123
sc2 alive game!
Fuchsteufelswild
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia2028 Posts
February 16 2014 02:16 GMT
#124
Good read, I agree entirely. I was going to give this a 5 but then you called your blog long and rambly when it is well structured, interesting, realistic and people can obviously just, you know, NOT READ IT if they find it too rambly for their liking, so for catering to those sorts, you lose a star from me. XD Mwuhaahaa...such power.
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Justikhar
Profile Joined May 2011
United States56 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-16 02:45:12
February 16 2014 02:39 GMT
#125
On February 16 2014 10:47 RoninColt wrote:

If casual players can't relate to the pro players or the game because it's to difficult to play, they sure in the hell aren't going to watch it..


I don't think that is it. I mean what, do we all play NFL/NBA rules when we're playing football and basketball in the yard? We're all throwing like Tom Brady and dunking like LeBron? Nonsense!

What we see in SC2 is just that (unfortunately) common internet mentality spread across to the game whereas traditional sports has just plain old fans; many of which have never played the particular sport, nor know all of the specific technicalities, but love it just the same. (See NFL women commercial, etc)

Just too many whiny kids on the internet, and this is eSports, so it is dominated by internet "fans". Over time, it will evolve. Especially since over time the internet may become the dominant medium of all entertainment, vice television. "Over time."

EDIT:

So to answer the question proposed: no, our sub-par level of play doesn't matter relative to the pro eSports scene. You can enjoy toying with the game, but it shall never be designed predicated on that level. Just like the NFL won't dumb down the hundreds of formation rules and time limits so it is easier for us to play in the back yard.

While it is true, the core business model is different, requiring them to sell copies of the game .... it isn't subscription based. It is far more important they give the casual fan a fun initial experience and maintain the sustained experience, ie: the pro experience that has sponsors and advertising, acceptably packaged for marketability. That is the long game.

TBone-
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2309 Posts
February 16 2014 02:45 GMT
#126
I hope this is a good wake up call for a lot of people. Nice to hear from you again Jinro! Hope more blogs will come :D.
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SoleSteeler
Profile Joined April 2003
Canada5420 Posts
February 16 2014 02:48 GMT
#127
Thank you... Lots of people miss you, Jinro. Excellent blog. People are so negative... it bothers me.
Forester
Profile Joined September 2010
United States116 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-16 02:54:41
February 16 2014 02:50 GMT
#128
Jinro, do you mind if I ask how you support yourself while doing MMA? Is it solely through your poker winnings or are you working as well?
The greatest pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do.
Mahanaim
Profile Joined December 2012
Korea (South)1002 Posts
February 16 2014 03:12 GMT
#129
Thank you for your great insights Jinro <3
Celebrating Starcraft since... a long time ago.
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
February 16 2014 03:14 GMT
#130
On February 16 2014 07:53 FuRong wrote:
Have you watched Starbow at all? Any thoughts?

Yeah I think its a great great mod and initially after starting to watch sc2 again and reading all the complaints I thought it represented the best hope for a watchable sc2. After having watched more of sc2 I think the game is in a pretty decent spot, and while starbow taking over would be fine by me, the base game is good enough.

I like how the economy feels as well as reavers tho.
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Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
February 16 2014 03:23 GMT
#131
On February 16 2014 11:50 Forester wrote:
Jinro, do you mind if I ask how you support yourself while doing MMA? Is it solely through your poker winnings or are you working as well?

Poker is my job. Ive never had a regular job in my life, played poker and sc2 for a living since I was 17.
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
crbox
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1180 Posts
February 16 2014 03:25 GMT
#132
I hope you get someone to record that first fight and put on youtube, I'd certainly watch that.
Ovni
Profile Joined March 2013
89 Posts
February 16 2014 03:45 GMT
#133
SC2 was far more enjoyable in 2011 for me.
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
February 16 2014 03:46 GMT
#134
On February 16 2014 12:25 crbox wrote:
I hope you get someone to record that first fight and put on youtube, I'd certainly watch that.

I definitely will, and I'll put it out there unless it's particularly embarrassing :D (Like, we're talking super high level embarrassing not just losing)
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
February 16 2014 03:52 GMT
#135
Good optimism great vantage point. 5/5.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
February 16 2014 03:56 GMT
#136
Really nice blog! I've always hated the hate (irony?) that the community seems to be perpetuating in droves as of late. I started playing around when Heart of the Swarm came out and I think this is the greatest game ever made. I obviously don't have frame of reference from the Brood War days, but when I look back at what the maps and the metagames of Wings of Liberty were, I think that what we have is very damn good. The negativity around everything never made sense to me and it's saddening to see that people aren't enjoying the great game that we have. Thanks Jinro for this very nice writeup!
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Betelgeuse
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada210 Posts
February 16 2014 04:11 GMT
#137
On February 16 2014 12:23 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2014 11:50 Forester wrote:
Jinro, do you mind if I ask how you support yourself while doing MMA? Is it solely through your poker winnings or are you working as well?

Poker is my job. Ive never had a regular job in my life, played poker and sc2 for a living since I was 17.

Is it easier to make money in Poker than SC2? Any pros/cons to both professions ?
Through victory, my chains are broken.
Holytornados
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1022 Posts
February 16 2014 04:12 GMT
#138
I agree with pretty much everything you said, Jinro. Nice write up.
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Rainling
Profile Joined June 2011
United States456 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-16 04:22:09
February 16 2014 04:17 GMT
#139
I 100% agree, but I still think there's a lot of room for improvement. Maybe another way of looking at (at least the constructive) complaints is that they indicate how much people care about SC2 and want it to be better.
On February 16 2014 08:27 BisuDagger wrote:
HoTs has definitely improved for the player. However as a viewer it still has a certain level of work. I still don't have enough on the edge moments like I got watching brood war or mind blowing moments were I see something only a special type of pro could pull off like double stacked must micro. I don't compare BW and SC2 based on what's better to play here but solely my viewer experience. I still stick to the sc2 and show support. If lotv takes it just a step further SC2 will be able to hold its name highly.

I agree with this
ClassicMilds
Profile Joined December 2011
India39 Posts
February 16 2014 04:26 GMT
#140
Wow! Dint expect to read something good about sc2. I love this game. I sadly never played broodwar multiplayer before sc2. I get frustrated trying to get better but other than that I freaking love this game. LotV and maybe 3-4 patches later I think we will have a much better outlook on balance. Balance right now is almost good for everyone except GMs, I think. We wont ever have number like some other games because they are different types of games and perhaps easier to grasp in fundamentals and mechanics. But I really hope I can keep playing sc2 for a while and perhaps sc3 when it comes out! Cheers.
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