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Maegi
Profile Joined January 2013
Finland174 Posts
February 15 2014 19:39 GMT
#21
On February 16 2014 04:29 Torte de Lini wrote:
StarCraft II just seems weaker in comparison to other titles and different approaches to eSports.
There are a lot of inherent flaws naturally.


And what are these "inherent flaws"? Do you just believe that smaller viewer numbers == weaker game?
NaNiwa <3
Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
February 15 2014 19:41 GMT
#22
What a great read. I may not agree with you on every point but I fully agree that SC2 as a game is actually in a great place right now. Now if we could only get all the fans to agree
Hwang Kang Hooooooooooo. Follow mah boy Shellshock @Shellshock1122
mnck
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark1518 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-15 19:43:59
February 15 2014 19:43 GMT
#23
As someone who played since early beta I completely agree with you Jinro. Also I would like to add that the difficulty and all the talk about SC2 being an easy game compared to BW (which at a point was heavily debated on TL) has also changed a lot. Which is one of the reasons I enjoy watching the game so much right now. All the players in Proleague/GSL are so insanely good at the time it's really amazing and the game still shows a lot of depth in what is possible for the future as strategies develop. I hope they don't change the balance too much in a frenzy, because I think the last ~2 months of SC2 have been the coolest ever.
@Munck
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
February 15 2014 19:44 GMT
#24
On February 16 2014 04:39 danteafk wrote:
good read.

Show nested quote +
On February 16 2014 04:20 HuK wrote:
D.S. = DICK SUCKER?


everyone else would've gotten a warning or even a ban for this. based.

Think it was a friendly fistbump more than anything else.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
February 15 2014 19:46 GMT
#25
Jinro <3

Good to see you're still around

Also HONGUUUUN
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Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
February 15 2014 19:47 GMT
#26
On February 16 2014 04:44 Djzapz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2014 04:39 danteafk wrote:
good read.

On February 16 2014 04:20 HuK wrote:
D.S. = DICK SUCKER?


everyone else would've gotten a warning or even a ban for this. based.

Think it was a friendly fistbump more than anything else.

Fool just needed to be schooled, didnt know what D.S was.

(Actually I was misusing it initially lol - you need a signature for it to be used, so I vainly edited one in rather than edit out the D.S )
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
February 15 2014 19:52 GMT
#27
MMA Tip: Hit them with your chin.

Jk, thanks for stopping by and thanks for the good read.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
Destructicon
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
4713 Posts
February 15 2014 19:55 GMT
#28
Well, I agree with you on a lot of things, despite a lot of bitching that goes around the forums the game has indeed improved a lot.

The map pool right up to this season was fantastic and the way Blizzard has handled new maps was a lot better. The MUs all became a lot more dynamic in HoTS and a lot more exciting for the most part. I can honestly say that for 2013 HoTS was a huge improvement to WoL.

But to say that the game still doesn't have some issues is kind of naive, sure the game hasn't yet reached the snooze fest that WoL became at the end but, at this rate its getting there. I think you aren't quite viewing it with the same scrutiny as the rest of the community here on TL, because you haven't watched as much SC2 as the rest of them. I for one saw nearly all premier tournaments last year and nearly all GSTL and Proleague games to boot. I've already seen hundreds of SH games and, after so many of them, I know for sure I don't want many more of them. And thus the current trend of seeing more SH games and also longer ones worries me greatly.

I agree that a lot of the doom and gloom posts are still stupid, I do hate the disrespect that a lot of top end players are receiving because of all of these recent trends, but I don't really think they should be ignored either. They are signs of a problem and that things should indeed change.

You posted that BW also had its spurs of bad periods and its own problems, but maps improved, strategies changed and that period ended. All this discontent is the community crying out for a change. The same way your body alerts you to a problem by producing pain, the same way the community and the players are trying to reach out and signal a problem.

WriterNever give up, never surrender! https://www.youtube.com/user/DestructiconSC
brainox
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany292 Posts
February 15 2014 19:57 GMT
#29
I completely agree with you. Starcraft 2 is much more enjoyable to watch right now than it was before. I stopped watching at the end of WoL because it go boring but I now I am watching every big tournament.
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
February 15 2014 19:58 GMT
#30
On February 16 2014 04:52 Jerubaal wrote:
MMA Tip: Hit them with your chin.

Jk, thanks for stopping by and thanks for the good read.

I actually (yesterday) got headbutted (my head to his chin, so chinbutted I guess) by the same guy as mentioned before. Was bleeding like crazy lol

Red highlights in my mohawk imo. But thankfully wasnt anything bad just a small cut.
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
aZealot
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
New Zealand5447 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-15 20:18:46
February 15 2014 19:59 GMT
#31
Thanks for your post, Jinro.

Reading that was like standing in a ray of sunlight on a gloomy day. (Yeah, these forums have been getting me down of late.)

All the best in MMA! Good luck for your first fight later in the year.

Edit/ Should this blog not be featured or spot-lighted? Please consider doing so, TL mods.
KT best KT ~ 2014
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-15 20:00:12
February 15 2014 19:59 GMT
#32
Great Article!
Worth being featured.
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
February 15 2014 20:03 GMT
#33
On February 16 2014 04:59 Big J wrote:
Great Article!
Worth being featured.

Agree
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
littlesaint
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden27 Posts
February 15 2014 20:08 GMT
#34
Thank you for sharing dude!
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
February 15 2014 20:08 GMT
#35
On February 16 2014 04:55 Destructicon wrote:
Well, I agree with you on a lot of things, despite a lot of bitching that goes around the forums the game has indeed improved a lot.

The map pool right up to this season was fantastic and the way Blizzard has handled new maps was a lot better. The MUs all became a lot more dynamic in HoTS and a lot more exciting for the most part. I can honestly say that for 2013 HoTS was a huge improvement to WoL.

But to say that the game still doesn't have some issues is kind of naive, sure the game hasn't yet reached the snooze fest that WoL became at the end but, at this rate its getting there. I think you aren't quite viewing it with the same scrutiny as the rest of the community here on TL, because you haven't watched as much SC2 as the rest of them. I for one saw nearly all premier tournaments last year and nearly all GSTL and Proleague games to boot. I've already seen hundreds of SH games and, after so many of them, I know for sure I don't want many more of them. And thus the current trend of seeing more SH games and also longer ones worries me greatly.

I agree that a lot of the doom and gloom posts are still stupid, I do hate the disrespect that a lot of top end players are receiving because of all of these recent trends, but I don't really think they should be ignored either. They are signs of a problem and that things should indeed change.

You posted that BW also had its spurs of bad periods and its own problems, but maps improved, strategies changed and that period ended. All this discontent is the community crying out for a change. The same way your body alerts you to a problem by producing pain, the same way the community and the players are trying to reach out and signal a problem.


I actually did point out (tho its probably easy to miss in all of that text), that the game definitely has room for improvements, and I could think of a ton just off hand (for starters the Corrupter has been a bad unit since WoL day 1 which would be fine if it wasn't forced to be built everytime someone makes colossi, and obv the SH needs some work).

And I also definitely acknowledge that I might just not have accumulated enough hatred for swarm hosts yet, but I m also not saying it's perfect, I'm saying that the way it interacts with the map is a very desirable trait.
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
MangoMountain
Profile Joined June 2011
Norway2044 Posts
February 15 2014 20:16 GMT
#36
On February 16 2014 04:55 Destructicon wrote:
But to say that the game still doesn't have some issues is kind of naive, sure the game hasn't yet reached the snooze fest that WoL became at the end but, at this rate its getting there. I think you aren't quite viewing it with the same scrutiny as the rest of the community here on TL, because you haven't watched as much SC2 as the rest of them. I for one saw nearly all premier tournaments last year and nearly all GSTL and Proleague games to boot. I've already seen hundreds of SH games and, after so many of them, I know for sure I don't want many more of them.

What in particular about "swarmhost games" is it that bothers you so much, because the zvps involving swarmhosts are not at all like WoL. Even the super passive stephano / foreigner styles of swarmhost v p are more strategic and positional than bl infestor
darkscream
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2310 Posts
February 15 2014 20:18 GMT
#37
you heard it folks

chinro declared the game alive, adjust your memes appropriately
Zenniv
Profile Joined September 2011
United States545 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-15 20:22:38
February 15 2014 20:21 GMT
#38
Great to see jinro stepping it up!

iS.zemotion
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States246 Posts
February 15 2014 20:22 GMT
#39
Aww Jonathan. Cool post! Such nostalgic maps haha.

Also heard about the MMA stuff, good luck on fighting this year!
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Aesop
Profile Joined October 2007
Hungary11297 Posts
February 15 2014 20:22 GMT
#40
I thoroughly enjoyed reading your blog. I have a lot of time myself to spend on watching SC2, and I feel that the game is a lot more "orderly" and cleaner than it used to be - closer to the vibe that BW gave off. In BW, every move of a player felt calculated and deliberate, with some kind of intention and established practice behind it. The current state of Hots and the level of play might not quite match that, but it's definitely more similar to me.
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