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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
December 17 2013 15:52 GMT
#81
It means your skills at SC2 carry over between races. It's like claiming Dota is an easier game, because you picked it up quickly after 10k games of league of legends.
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painkilla
Profile Joined June 2013
United States695 Posts
December 17 2013 16:12 GMT
#82
On December 18 2013 00:52 Plansix wrote:
It means your skills at SC2 carry over between races. It's like claiming Dota is an easier game, because you picked it up quickly after 10k games of league of legends.


It means excatly what it does : a non GM terran can get top 50 GM by switching to protoss.
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Dunedune
Profile Joined August 2012
France15 Posts
December 17 2013 16:17 GMT
#83
On December 18 2013 01:12 painkilla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 00:52 Plansix wrote:
It means your skills at SC2 carry over between races. It's like claiming Dota is an easier game, because you picked it up quickly after 10k games of league of legends.


It means excatly what it does : a non GM terran can get top 50 GM by switching to protoss.

It would mean that that one non-GM terran can get top 50 GM as protoss.

I doubt he can achieve it anyway, even with cheesing a lot. It will probably end with a "I don't understand PvP".
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
December 17 2013 16:29 GMT
#84
On December 18 2013 01:12 painkilla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 00:52 Plansix wrote:
It means your skills at SC2 carry over between races. It's like claiming Dota is an easier game, because you picked it up quickly after 10k games of league of legends.


It means excatly what it does : a non GM terran can get top 50 GM by switching to protoss.

I thought Bad_Habit proved a long time ago that GM means very little, since he got there season after season by 6 pooling. But I guess the balance whiners need their "evidence". I bet Jaedong never thought about trying to prove one race was easier than the other. Takes away from his focus on winning against all odds.
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intense555
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States474 Posts
December 17 2013 16:31 GMT
#85
On December 18 2013 00:36 SC2John wrote:
Would everyone just relax.

The statement intense made was a rather asinine one, but he is a smart player. I've been watching his stream, and he's doing fairly well with protoss considering. He lacks a fundamental understanding of how the race works, but his mechanics and general decision making are fairly strong, strong enough to beat most masters players who suck balls. In the end, I'm not sure if getting to GM as protoss proves anything about the race, but is probably more a testament to intense's skill.

I originally came here to hate, but. I hope intense has a good experience and I hope he learns a few things about protoss he didn't know before.

I agree that a larger sample pool than just me and sjow would be required to have any real meaning but so far this has been quite entertaining and something I've wanted to try for a while. Maybe I will try for top 50 gm as zerg in 1 month if I succeed.
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intense555
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States474 Posts
December 17 2013 16:34 GMT
#86
I will try to adress the rest of your questions in my week 1 benchmark writeup.
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painkilla
Profile Joined June 2013
United States695 Posts
December 17 2013 16:43 GMT
#87
On December 18 2013 01:31 intense555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 00:36 SC2John wrote:
Would everyone just relax.

The statement intense made was a rather asinine one, but he is a smart player. I've been watching his stream, and he's doing fairly well with protoss considering. He lacks a fundamental understanding of how the race works, but his mechanics and general decision making are fairly strong, strong enough to beat most masters players who suck balls. In the end, I'm not sure if getting to GM as protoss proves anything about the race, but is probably more a testament to intense's skill.

I originally came here to hate, but. I hope intense has a good experience and I hope he learns a few things about protoss he didn't know before.

I agree that a larger sample pool than just me and sjow would be required to have any real meaning but so far this has been quite entertaining and something I've wanted to try for a while. Maybe I will try for top 50 gm as zerg in 1 month if I succeed.


It is definitely a fun project for viewers as well whether it really means anything. I'd love to see more high level Z and P doing the same thing.
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intense555
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States474 Posts
December 18 2013 01:06 GMT
#88
http://www.twitch.tv/intensesc Day 3/31 gogo
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::Rhapsody
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
Canada124 Posts
December 18 2013 02:40 GMT
#89
Good luck, a lot of people seem to think our whining is just whining cause we suck. but honestly, I could easily roll toss in Master league in WoL, and I can't roll golds now, actual golds not mmr decayed golds, cause of oracle harrass, and msc, it stresses me out so much, I hate the MU now
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
December 18 2013 12:29 GMT
#90
On December 18 2013 11:40 ::Rhapsody wrote:
Good luck, a lot of people seem to think our whining is just whining cause we suck. but honestly, I could easily roll toss in Master league in WoL, and I can't roll golds now, actual golds not mmr decayed golds, cause of oracle harrass, and msc, it stresses me out so much, I hate the MU now


"Sounds to me like Terran was way too strong in WoL then if you were able to beat Masters back then and now you can't beat Golds."


My point with that silly comment? "I was beating higher players back then than I am now!" can be interpreted in a number of different ways and is NOT proof of imbalance.
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
Salv
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Canada3083 Posts
December 18 2013 14:21 GMT
#91
The self-serving bias among Starcraft players is very prominent. During brood war it was Terran players who were the most vocal complainers, which I think is partially as a result of vocal foreign pro players like Idra and Artosis who were incessant complainers - especially TvP. For reference, if you combine brood war OSL and MSL victories this is what you get:

Terran - 26 gold / 16 silver - 42 total
Zerg - 20 gold / 26 silver - 46 total
Protoss - 14 gold / 18 silver - 32 total

In Starcraft II, early on I would say Zerg players became the most vocal complainers once again in part due to Idra and Artosis being the unofficial mouthpieces of how awful Zerg was - the most vocal complaint being how shitty ZvP was for the Zerg. I would say Terran players are now once again the most vocal complainers for SC2 - with their main irritant being TvP. Again, let's look at some of championships being won for GSL:

Terran: 7 gold / 10 silver - 17 total
Zerg: 9 gold / 6 silver - 15 total
Protoss: 4 gold / 4 silver - 8 total

Protoss doesn't exactly perform that well at the highest level of competition throughout SC2 despite all the complaining that Protoss is the weakest / shittiest race to play as in the game. How exactly is Protoss the easiest / least mechanically challenging race while also being the least winning race throughout the entire series - BW and SC2? It's not like people are saying, 'Protoss is the easiest to play and also the weakest at high levels' - the comment is that Protoss is too easy and overpowered.

One thing I will give OP credit for is that he recognizes that Terran is very hard to play but also seemingly has the highest skill cap - so at the highest levels Terran is possibly the best race.
Zanzabarr
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada217 Posts
December 19 2013 22:50 GMT
#92
I checked out your stream. It looks like You've started to get hulk smashed by Masters players much like Sjow. A lot of PvZ losses much like Sjow. How many days will it be before you quit the "experiment" and cite how stupid PvP is, or some other nonsense just like Sjow.
intense555
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States474 Posts
December 19 2013 23:47 GMT
#93
http://www.twitch.tv/intensesc day 5/31
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intense555
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States474 Posts
December 20 2013 07:30 GMT
#94
On December 20 2013 07:50 Zanzabarr wrote:
I checked out your stream. It looks like You've started to get hulk smashed by Masters players much like Sjow. A lot of PvZ losses much like Sjow. How many days will it be before you quit the "experiment" and cite how stupid PvP is, or some other nonsense just like Sjow.

PvP is fun, but yea my PvZ needs work. Im almost gm though.
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painkilla
Profile Joined June 2013
United States695 Posts
December 20 2013 20:30 GMT
#95
On December 20 2013 07:50 Zanzabarr wrote:
I checked out your stream. It looks like You've started to get hulk smashed by Masters players much like Sjow. A lot of PvZ losses much like Sjow. How many days will it be before you quit the "experiment" and cite how stupid PvP is, or some other nonsense just like Sjow.


Looks like he did ok in PvP yesterday.
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intense555
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States474 Posts
December 21 2013 09:38 GMT
#96
Will do week 1 benchmark write up tomorrow after stream.
Aspiring Starcraft 2 pro for @mYinsanityEU, follow me on twitter @mYintenseSC
intense555
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States474 Posts
December 21 2013 18:33 GMT
#97
http://www.twitch.tv/intensesc gogo A very long steam inc.
Aspiring Starcraft 2 pro for @mYinsanityEU, follow me on twitter @mYintenseSC
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-22 03:04:37
December 22 2013 02:59 GMT
#98
On December 17 2013 02:46 Rickyvalle21 wrote:
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On December 16 2013 17:55 Motoorhead wrote:
On December 16 2013 14:02 Rickyvalle21 wrote:
I don't think anybody can get top 50 in 1 month with their offrace. Good luck to you though but I can assure you that Pvp will make you not want to play the race.


Nerchio hit 1st place GM on EU ladder as random... So it's not impossible imho.


Nerchio was never rank 1 grandmaster as random. I know he was rank 1 a few seasons straight but this was with his Zerg. I don't think anybody can get rank 1 grandmasters as random unless its mkp who is kr GM with all 3 races and he plays on NA server.


most top kor could do it on NA/EU lol.

@intense. Imo as far as PvZ just pick a good pressure build than transition into a wacky all in. You can't play the mu in the hands of the Z or the experience deficit will suck. + all ins are the best way to climb the ladder anyway.

And stream some T games after your experiment, always interesting to see a decent T streaming.
Zest fanboy.
intense555
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States474 Posts
December 22 2013 03:31 GMT
#99
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=439009 did update blog
Aspiring Starcraft 2 pro for @mYinsanityEU, follow me on twitter @mYintenseSC
intense555
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States474 Posts
December 23 2013 03:18 GMT
#100
http://www.twitch.tv/intensesc gogo day8/31
Aspiring Starcraft 2 pro for @mYinsanityEU, follow me on twitter @mYintenseSC
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